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Kate is fickle and unfaithful this proves it.

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I feel almost like Kate's deliberately just trying to do everything opposite of David.

  1. Kate wanted to get the fuck out of Richmond even though she got medical treatment there and her guts were spilling everywhere and near death. David wants her to stay.
  2. Kate now wants to help Richmond. David wants to leave.

a. Kate married David
b. Now she's hitting on her brother in law.

I think those cases correlate very well with her personality. She's a fickle, disloyal slut.

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  • Yeah, I didn't really like how my earliest favorite ANF character just got demoted to being the designated contrarian where David is concerned.

    At the very least, her wanting to help save Richmond was set up and explained leading up to the climax. Plus, she was basically following David at that point before he suddenly decided to call it quits.

    Also, gotta love how so many people went from believing Kate is an abuse victim to suddenly unfailingly hating on her in waves the moment David was around to interact with, up to calling her unfaithful slut and saying she actively wanted David dead when none of that was really implied the case. Not rife with unfortunate implications in-universe and out at all.

  • Kate wanted to get the fuck out of Richmond even though she got medical treatment there and her guts were spilling everywhere and near death.

    Because the people in Richmond killed Mariana and shot Kate in the guts. I'd want to leave Richmond too, if that were to happen to me, regardless whether they treated my wounds or not. I wouldn't want to be in a camp that shot my daughter and shot me as well at first sight. I mean, who would?

    David wants her to stay.

    Well of course he wanted her to stay. Kate was David's wife! David was glad to see Kate was well despite her being shot in the stomach and regardless of their past sour relationship.Also, I'd guess it was mainly because of Gabe.

    Kate now wants to help Richmond.

    Kate realized that the most people in Richmond aren't ruthless cold-blooded killers like Badger and that the most people living there were good people + she caused the deaths of children and other people. It's only natural that she wanted to redeem herself by saving the people, despite the cliche of someone taking all the blame to him/herself.

    David wants to leave.

    David got betrayed by the people he swore to protect as the head of security. Close comrades of his stabbed him in the back and tried to hang him. I would be pretty pissed about it too and I'd certainly want to leave.

    Kate married David

    Kate said it herself, falling in love is the easy part. Staying in love is the hardest part. Also, I believe David changed quite a bit after his marriage to Kate. People change and suddenly Kate realized that he's not the person he once married.

    Now she's hitting on her brother in law.

    Well, who wouldn't hit on Javier to be honest? It was clear that Kate admired Javier for a long time and was completely loyal to him. And I'd guess Javier was a lot more likable than the hotheaded idiot that David was.

    I think those cases correlate very well with her personality. She's a fickle, disloyal slut.

    Nah.

    • Agreed.

      Kate realized that the most people in Richmond aren't ruthless cold-blooded killers like Badger and that the most people living there were good people + she caused the deaths of children and other people. It's only natural that she wanted to redeem herself by saving the people, despite the cliche of someone taking all the blame to him/herself.

      You might as well just underline this part specifically since the rest is stuff that I really wish had been more "consistent" and/or emphasized than it was. That and it reminded her of how she felt when she wasn't able to protect/save Mariana, making it all the more personal. Plus, it was technically David's plan that she wholeheartedly agreed with, hence why she got so upset when he suddenly decided to just run away.

      Well, who wouldn't hit on Javier to be honest?

      I'm not at liberty to answer that question, so I'll take your word for it.

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    hellfront7070 said:
    I think those cases correlate very well with her personality. She's a fickle, disloyal slut.

    Let's try to phrase criticisms in a less abrasive way, please. Thanks.

  • Yeaaah because using gendered slurs as means of getting your point across really does bode well for people... good luck with that, buddy.

    • But it is just so easy to do that...and not take in consideration some of the things we know about David....I am all for placing blame equally for the marriage being bad...David likes a ordered life...Kate is not like that.

      Life is more complicated than to just blame one person or take one side.

      Somewhere in all the flashbacks and some of the dialogue you get a better picture of Kate...but the writing did her no favors.

      • No, assigning gendered slurs is unacceptable no matter the individual it is aimed at. Kate isn't my most favourite character, but I will not base my argument on whether she was 'promiscuous' or not. I am not trying to defend her character. Dislike her all you want, write a thorough argument as to why, but please do take caution in how you choose to answer that. Don't stoop so low as to throw about terms many women strive to keep away from.

  • She decided to save Richmond when she saw all of the dying people and kids that were suffering due to the hole in the wall, which she felt completely responsible for.

    • This. I usually hate saying stuff like this, but it honestly just seems like people stubbornly ignoring what is just short of being spelled out for them for the sake of having something to complain about.

  • We get it, you hate Kate. Now can you stop spamming the entire TWD section of this forum with your Kate hate *posts?

  • I think everyone knew she was unfaithful to David, that was the whole plot between them. Speaking of which, she had reasons to be disloyal to him, David was no better.

    • Speaking of which, she had reasons to be disloyal to him, David was no better.

      Don'cha just love how they did nothing with that, btw? Good thing there weren't Teams with any focus on rivalry this time around, cause that be a complete waste ti--oh WAIT!

      Dumbass Competition Freaks
    • Unfaithful to David before or after the being separated from him? I mean, there was no evidence that she was cheating on him before the apocalypse. During it, while she thought David was dead, she started falling in love with Javier. David and Kate had been separated for years (two? three? four?) and most people died. It would have been justifiable for her to think that he might have died. You can't cheat on a dead spouse. Sooo... after, when they reunited, and David assumed that they would resume being married, and she didn't want that... well, I don't know when would have been a good time for them to have a heart to heart about... "Hey, honey, I don't think this is going to work anymore. Let's break up/get a divorce. Plus, I kind of developed feelings for your brother. We cool?" I mean, it was kind of a tricky situation. Under ordinary circumstances, trying to seduce one's brother-in-law is a huge no-no. They weren't living under ordinary circumstances. Give the girl a break.

      • Calm down. She wasn't a very good character to begin with. And for once I was defending her. I never said the problem with her had to do with her betraying David since I understand why she did, but what she did afterwards was the issue. She still destroyed any brotherly relationship David and Javier could have had and wanted Javier to ditch David various times because of her own personal experience with him. And don't say she was doing what was best for Javier because if you side with David he's actually pretty decent to him. Still an awful character like her though.

        • Okay. I agree that what she did after was a pretty shit thing to do. She wanted Javi, for very selfish reasons, to stay with her instead of staying with David. She manipulated David into believing something had happened between her and Javi (even if you reject her) whether or not anything happens. And David is too hot-headed and distrusting of Javi to believe that his brother didn't hook up with Kate or to stop and actually think about it. She did destroy that relationship, and yes, that is an awful thing to do.

          As far as the whole did she or didn't she cheat on David and what kind of person does that make Kate... I may have been responding to other people who have written about Kate.

          I also thought it was awful of her to try to get Gabe to stay with her instead of staying with his dad. She was just his step-mom while David was his dad. That was crap.

  • the reason why i hate Kate is because she is the: ´´insert Love interest to make you pick the more controversial decisions.´´
    I mean if it wasnt Kate who offered wanted to leave Richmond but Tripp or eleanor instead im fairly sure that the decision would not be as popular as it is ((Not sure of the current choice stats so i may look like an idiot if less people picked it at this point.))
    there are other characters who are involved in this same cliche like Snow from Wolf among us ((not saying she s a bad character but that telltale does put her side to be in the more evil decisions in the game so that more people will pick it.))

    • It really did disappoint me that after being set up to play a major role in the story, she get's worfed early on and is increasingly neglected outside of the so-called love triangle subplot(if you can call it that) and/or being the designated contrarian to what David's up to at the moment, though that notably got subverted for a while before being flipped around at the end.

      • i have to say that while i did hate Kate during above the law and around every corner i did like her in from the gallows ((And also during ties that bind half 1 half 2 ))
        Dont get why people say that her wanting to save richmond was too forced since it was shown in the episode that she blamed herself for the herd entering richmond.

        • Naturally, even if I think the hate she got was a little too wavelike to begin with.

          Honestly, I suspect some people's definition of natural storytelling and/or consistency is "what would be convenient to the story as I play it."

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    She only got with Javi cause he was a real man and not a cuckboi like David was.

    Survival of the fittest.

    • She only got with Javi cause he was a real man and not a cuckboi like David was. Survival of the fittest.

      I ship Javi and Kate but thats pretty harsh. Before Javi even showed up David and Kate were having money/marriage/anger problems. Kate just saw this even tempered brother who was free to travel the world and wanted that.

      And in terms of survival of the fittest, Javi always gets manhandled by David and needs to be saved by a child. David was a literal soldier lol.

      • Before Javi even showed up David and Kate were having money/marriage/anger problems. Kate just saw this even tempered brother who was free to travel the world and wanted that.

        Pretty much.

      • David was a literal soldier

        Was he? He cried during a batting cage match because he couldn't "beat his brother." Boy had some HUGE insecurity issues.

        Women aren't interested in children who leave behind their family because they feel "restricted" and then place their brother in their shoes and not expect the woman they supposedly love to not catch some feeling toward.

        Kate was only doing what would be natural, feeling love for a person who did what the husband was supposed to do and without any expectations.

        • Boy had some HUGE insecurity issues.

          Yeah, no kiddin.

          Kate was only doing what would be natural, feeling love for a person who did what the husband was supposed to do and without any expectations.

          Nice Job Breaking It, David.

          • He had been "breaking it" for a long time, considering he whines almost constantly... I can't remember 5 lines in which he wasn't crying and moaning like a 4 year old girl.

            I guess we can see where Gabe got it from.

        • David's character is a lot more nuanced and complex than you are letting on. Not saying hes perfect but hes definitely not some we4k b3tA cuckbo1 3edgy5me

          • Prove me wrong.

            Hard evidence only, please. Not personal perception.

            • Sure, I would love to.

              • David's jealousy/inferiority complex towards Javi is much, much deeper than simply sucking one time at the batting cages. In the first scene of the game we learn that David's own father did not acknowledge him on his deathbed because he was too busy looking around the room for Javi. If that wouldn't deeply wound you and cause deep resentment towards your brother, then I don't know what would. We can also see many pictures of baseball prodigy Javi as a kid around the house, it must have been difficult being the less successful/favored sibling for his entire life. Complexes and wounds like that are formative especially during childhood so I don't see his jealousy as an outright weakness, but rather a product of his family dynamics growing up and something that significantly shaped how he views and values himself.
              • David was not a good father, but he was a good soldier. He straight up admits this to Javi, and says that he has always wanted to change but doesn't know if it is possible. This shows that David is at least aware of his own shortcomings and has the desire to change his ways. And yes, David the soldier always seems to triumph over David the father or David the brother, but he still tries to use his soldier skills for the good of the group (killing walkers, providing intel, trying to make executive decisions to keep the group safe).
              • By the time David explodes on Javi, he has found out his daughter was murdered by his own men, discovered his men had been raiding and looting behind his back, was framed and lied to about the raiding, was nearly executed publicly for crimes he didn't commit, and lost his second in command. Basically within the span of 2-3 days he was betrayed by (almost) everyone he trusted and was made to be the scapegoat despite protecting this community for years. Finding out that his brother was hooking up with his wife was likely the cinderblock that broke the camel's back.
              • That's funny, cause I didn't pull any of those things from him. Perhaps that's what they were going for, yet trying to write a complex character akin to Paul Schrader, Terrence Malick, or the likes of writers as the such with goofy shortcomings and over-sights does not make a character come off that way.

                The problem with David is that rather than subtly conveying hurt, he whines deliberately and it's absolutely dreadful, so while your arguments to him being "subtle" hold water, he's still terribly written in almost every attribute.

                And him leaving his family behind with Javier isn't given time to feel earned, it's done within one batting cage scene where he whines and moans yet again about a past we barely know anything about.

                • It sounded to me like he was a soldier who was having a hard time readjusting to life as a civilian. It isn't uncommon for soldiers who have served in war to feel this way. That's kind of an archetype. So, we should have been able to get a sense of David's character based on people like him that we either know ourselves firsthand, or have read about/seen depicted in other medium.

                  • or have read about/seen depicted in other medium.

                    And there in lies the issue, other mediums have tackled PTSD and an individuals inability to readjust far more pertinently than having a man whine about losing a batting cage match.

                    It's almost insulting in a way to use the "PTSD" argument with any fictional character when they act like an infant pouting as opposed to being genuinely damage both psychologically and physically.

          • Yes, please. I need to hear this.

          • Trying to kill your own brother in a fit of rage whether or not he truly is in love with your wife does make him appear as a we4k b3tA cuckbo1 3edgy5me to some.

    • Remember when people were going on about getting to cuck David? "Good times, good times."

    • I hate the word cuck and the world view this seems to come from.

  • Also tell me how she's supposed to file for a divorce in an apocalypse? Hmm?

    • Pretty much how she does in the end minus immediately going to kiss/diss Javier.

      • It's incredibly unfair that male characters that do just as bad, if not worse can so easily be left off the hook. If you're going to fault one for the same reason, if you have to do so with the other. What Kate did wasn't even that bad. She was bound to have grown attached to Javi being apart from David all those years. However I interpreted that not as romantic, but more platonic; a familial bond if you will, because that's what I as the player wanted. It's completely subjective, and entirely up to you as the player however you wish to perceive it. But, there's no reason to throw about gendered slurs. So yes, I do agree with you there. I should hope David got the message.

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