Reasons for giving up Batman.

I have seen The_Scribbler_ post, and I figured of doing this one on my own. Based on the players that gave up Batman as a trophy ticket for Alfred.

You see... I gave up Batman because Batman is just too aggressive and brutal. I fear it might grow bigger and bigger the more Bruce keeps up this mantle, which might accidentally kill someone if he wasn't careful with all this experience he had as Batman. In Addition:

  • Batman's code creates conflict. Conflict that pushes people off the roof to do things their way which isn't right.
  • Batman's ideology of his crusade costed lives of many people he couldn't save for. The more he kept them close, the more he puts them in harms way. One injustice I cant think of, is Lucius Fox's death. That shook Bruce and Alfred right into their core.
  • Batman can't keep focus on others around him. He neglected to watch Tiffany after she lost her own flesh and blood at the hands of Riddler, costing him his own life as pure vengeance. Then, one that I can feel the most, is how he lets someone deranged like John Doe over Catwoman. An ally wasted over blood makes nothing compared to everything Batman needs to destroy.
  • Last but not least, Batman's intentions fail the interests of Gotham becoming a safe place. He injures himself drastically, wastes his efforts to saving people he believes that he can save all, but couldn't. And last, makes the worst judgement imaginable, to brutalize someone over information for the Riddler. :/

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  • edited May 16

    There are countless villains who would have succeeded if Batman wasn't around. Falcone would have kept extorting and murdering people, Lady Arkham would have successfully dosed the entire city with her nerve agent, Penguin would have gotten a foothold in Gotham and continued his quest for bloodlust and "justice", the Pact would have succeeded in their mission, not to mention countless petty criminal scum who would have successfully evaded the GCPD.

    The notion that Batman creates more problems than he solves is pretty much bullshit. Falcone, Lady Arkham, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, and the Pact all had their own missions without Batman's influence. Two Face was created by Penguin/Lady Arkham, Bruce Wayne, Selina, and his own underlying mental illness. The only viable example is Joker but if you went the vigilante route then Joker still helps to destroy the virus. Plus John was always fucking insane without Batman's influence.

    I see literally no reason to give up being Batman besides a) appeasing Alfred (although he only agrees to stay for another night) and b) keeping Bruce's body from taking beating after beating.

  • I've already gone over a few of my reasons for making my 'canon' choice giving up Batman in the other thread, but I'll be happy to add to the discussion.

    • Even as my first choice, I don't believe that Bruce Wayne would be able to give up Batman entirely -- but I do believe that he needs some time away from it. Not only has this taken a very physical toll on his body this season, but more expressively this season has taken a toll on his mental well being.
    • He's suffered heavy losses regardless of the choices the player makes. Lucius' death, and the revelation that Lucius' family has suffered greatly ( his wife's in despair, his son is in trouble at school and may soon be causing trouble in the streets, and his daughter is now a murderer ) is fact enough for me that my Bruce Wayne isn't spending the time he needs to be as Bruce Wayne. He had no idea, and not because they wouldn't tell him. He never asked.
    • Alfred stepped in to be Bruce's father under no legal obligation. It's apparent he needs time to recover from more than the trauma's he's suffered, but from the knowledge of the trauma's that Bruce is suffering. Their bond is far more complex than employer/employee. It's far more brutal to think of your own child in pain, in danger, and emotionally unstable than it is to endure your own. Letting him go isn't going to help him heal as much as Alfred believes it will. But I don't think that Alfred will be able to walk away from Bruce/Batman for long either.
    • No city, nor person can be saved by throwing money at it. Stopping thugs also only solves the problem temporarily. To truly save Gotham, Wayne Enterprises will need to be more involved in stopping the reasons there are thugs and tackle social issues.

    Essentially, Bruce needs to step back to reevaluate his place in Gotham, reassess his ideals ( It's not enough to say justice. No one can say that the Agency faced justice, or the people we witness them murder on the footage received justice. ), and if he truly cannot do this alone then he needs to establish how he wants his network to be involved or set it up so they can be involved more safely. If he returns, it's time to bring the family together in the Batcave, and have more backup than Alfred watching the boy he raised as his own child be beaten every night on camera.

  • I have my Bruce stay as Batman because there will always be criminals and supervillains in Gotham. Even if his presence stands as a challenge for many upcoming criminals, his decision to be Batman has already created the new genre of crimes that is irreversible. The only way to keep this problem from getting worse is to stay as Batman and be their protector. This is Bruce's eternal burden.

  • Never give up being Batman, never.
    Its who Bruce Wayne will always be, him and Batman are one together and can never be apart.

  • Yeah, I feel like Alfred's "perhaps one more night" line was rather cold.

    There are countless villains who would have succeeded if Batman wasn't around. Falcone would have kept extorting and murdering pe

  • Honestly I didn't take Alfred's line to be literal. I considered it more of a joke than anything else

    Yeah, I feel like Alfred's "perhaps one more night" line was rather cold.

  • I had the impression that Alfred no longer had any hope that Bruce could give up Batman, or if enough of Bruce still existed to give up Batman. I suppose that's what makes John a reflection of Bruce. They're both building a persona that's an idea -- chaos/justice for the villain route, and zero tolerance/street justice in the vigilante route. Outside of their built personas, in a way they're both "John Doe" or a placeholder where a person should be.

    In that respect, I took " perhaps one more night " to mean " I want to believe you, but that remains to be seen. "

    Yeah, I feel like Alfred's "perhaps one more night" line was rather cold.

  • I think that was more to show his reluctance. Like he's convinced Bruce won't change, even if he tries to. So I think it was like "I really shouldn't, but okay."

    Yeah, I feel like Alfred's "perhaps one more night" line was rather cold.

  • There was no teasing or joking at all when he said that line.

    Honestly I didn't take Alfred's line to be literal. I considered it more of a joke than anything else

  • I watched a clip of that scene and I interpreted it to be that Alfred was saying "yes" when he said "Maybe just one more night" as it seemed he had a small but noticeable smile on his face

    There was no teasing or joking at all when he said that line.

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