Did you give up Batman or no?

After the mandatory exhausting talk with Alfred back at the manor, he tells you that clearly Bruce is making everyone he run into suffer. Realizing that he is going to the UK, does anyone want to give up Batman for Alfred to stay? Or keep the cowl to be as Batman because you will always be Batman, no matter what.

In my normal play through, I did the obvious. I gave up the cowl so that Alfred could stay. There are some points in his speech that kind of made me feel that way, I also felt anguished to see him leave permanently, and I couldn't bear to see Bruce being abandoned alone with his only family going away. In addition, I do however believe that Batman causes the suffering of others to turn evil, so that he could destroy them with an iron fist. Not directly, but indirectly because he can be Bruce Wayne, and Bruce Wayne can make choices to suffer others as if he was in the mask.

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  • No way was I giving up Batman. I had just taken in Tiffany as my protege and restored my partnership with Gordon, it would make no sense to just give up on Batman after that. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, Gotham needs Batman more than Bruce needs Alfred. I also didn't fully buy into his speech because there's no doubt in my mind that Batman has done more good than harm.

  • From my original discussion, I chose to give up on Alfred and remain as Batman. It did hurt when making this decision and took sometime to come to the decision. I chose to remain as Batman because:

    • I got my partnership with Jim back
    • Waller and I left on a good note as allies
    • I'm now Tiffany's mentor and I want to train her
    • The destruction caused by John would have increased crime

    I do agree that Batman does create the evil he is meant to destroy but he isn't fully responsible for all his villains such as Penguin. He was responsible for creating Two-Face and Joker and only inspired Lady Arkham. But the Pact would have continued their mission even without Batman. Even though Batman creates more evil but he is the only one who can stop them

    When it comes to those he cares about, they do suffer because they become apart of Batman's world. Lucius joined Batman's mission because he believed in him and he knew the risk.

    In one of my previous discussion, I explained that the main reason I chose to give up Alfred was because from the all the stories I've seen of Batman, Bruce always comes back no matter what.

  • edited June 15

    If he wanna leave then fine but i wont give up being Batman. Its who Bruce Wayne is and he will always be, that will never change, even Alfred knows that.

  • edited June 15

    Other things I forgot to mention was that Alfred said that everything has gone so grey, that we was used John Doe for things, and Bruce's ideology of catching criminals would consume him more than he ever was. Plus, he is sick of seeing his one and only child getting beaten day by day, night by night. That could also be the reason why I chosen to give up Batman for Alfred.

  • Naw, I thought it best to part ways and let the old man go.

  • Nah I didn't give up being Batman, If Im being honest I thought Alfred was being selfish and way out of his head.

  • I gave up Bman. Definitely one of the hardest choices I've made in a game like this, but a lot of what Alfred was saying was true, and staying Batman would have just confirmed everything he had said

  • We are the same you and I

    Nah I didn't give up being Batman, If Im being honest I thought Alfred was being selfish and way out of his head.

  • edited June 16

    I let Alfred go without a second thought. The needs of the many (The citizens of Gotham) far outweigh the needs of the few. (Alfred )

    Selina (Didn't romance her myself) would probably get bored of you too if you gave up being Batman.

  • You know, I'm shocked to say this, but I don't remember 100% what I did, but I'm pretty it was give up Batman, because it seemed disrespectful to Alfred, who longed had been suffering because of Batman's actions. Plus, Bruce Wayne can always be a hero, one who helps in ways that should be less harmful than Batman.

  • edited June 17

    That I have to agree. I gave up Batman in my normal play through, and I don't regret it. I figured there would be grave consequences for Batman's whereabouts on the horizon that may cause more damage than good. If you look at Episode 4 in Season 2, Batman wasn't able to rescue all the civilians when John was about to turn evil on the Gotham Bridge. Plus, Chip Locke wasn't rescued by Batman at all and Batman keeps on getting gravely injured as he pits himself every fight he comes across to.

    Just as Alfred said, it clouded my judgement by seeing all the other roots the season has. John becoming villain Joker, Batman's failures of saving people, creating evil he wants to destroy, and quite possibly being Bruce's inner demon.

    You know, I'm shocked to say this, but I don't remember 100% what I did, but I'm pretty it was give up Batman, because it seemed d

  • I get where Alfred was coming from...but I remained Batman.

    Whether or not Alfred is right, the bell has been rung. If we just hung it up and retired the villains inspired by or reacting to Batman will still appear. And there will be those who fight back as well. We can stick our heads in the sand and even try to do more as Bruce Wayne, but there is a limit to that. Becoming Batman was a choice and that choice needs to be followed through.

    And much like others there are those counting on Batman. Tiffany continues to need guidance to walk her road of atonement and become the hero she has the potential to be. Gordon will need Batman and is counting on him. I'm not turning my back on my allies because Alfred has reached his limit. That's fine. I can understand him feeling it has gotten too grey and he can't keep it going. But Gotham needs Batman.

    Batman didn't create Mr. Freeze, or Harley, or Bane, Riddler, the people making bio weapons in Gotham, or frankly even Lady Arkham. Batman has created some threats, but without him what would become of those other threats? Who would deal with them? The world is dangerous, messy, and that's why it needs Batman. Lucius gave his life for the mission and turning back now makes that loss meaningless.

    Losing Alfred hurts, but that's why Batman has been creating a circle of allies; Gordon, Tiffany, even freaking Catwoman. At his core my Bruce I've been going into this with is Batman. Even if mistakes were made he's going to keep going. Right up to that old cranky Bruce from Batman Beyond!

  • edited June 18

    i gave up Alferd. Because of the same reason that @FlareKnight said.

  • Do you know how many crimes would occur when they hear Batman is retired. It would just force him back to become a Batman again.

  • Really? So... Maybe in a season 3, Alfred and Bruce agree that Batman needs to return? If it happens, then the final choice in season 2 was pretty pointless, if you ask me.

    Bruno113 posted: »

    Do you know how many crimes would occur when they hear Batman is retired. It would just force him back to become a Batman again.

  • edited June 18

    It wasn't a hard choice, I gave up Batman. It fitted my playing style + always wanted to do that and I'm curious how he will return in season3. Probably won't be very spectacular but still.
    also Gotham needs Batman idea irritates me.

  • No. Bruce will just become Batman again in Season 3 anyway. So it'd be pointless.

  • edited June 22

    Told him to piss off witht he first dialogue choice in my 2nd(canon playthrough) after hearing his garbage in the first. Blaming me for all villians like take that eyepatch pack your bags and GET OUTTA MY HOUSE BEFORE I PUT YOU IN A GULAG IN THE BATCAVE.

  • Wow... And I thought you couldn't go harsh enough on Alfred. Oh well.

    Dan10 posted: »

    Told him to piss off witht he first dialogue choice in my 2nd(canon playthrough) after hearing his garbage in the first. Blaming m

  • I aim to please and not disappoint.

    Camperor posted: »

    Wow... And I thought you couldn't go harsh enough on Alfred. Oh well.

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