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Max's psychological state

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This concept might seem a little dark for Sam and Max, but was Max, on a subconscious level, feeling suicidal? It seems that Max felt disgusted with himself and his lifestyle and wanted it to end. But Max, being a postive lagomorph, repressed these feelings and never showed them to anyone(and seemed to be unaware of them himself).This Self-disgust was eventually personified as the Superego, who acted out Max's suicidal urges. But, like l said before, this idea seems a bit dark for such an upbeat series, and I'm probably overthinking it. Still, let me know what you guys think.
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  • ragdoll556;438297 said:
    This concept might seem a little dark for Sam and Max, but was Max, on a subconscious level, feeling suicidal? It seems that Max felt disgusted with himself and his lifestyle and wanted it to end. But Max, being a postive lagomorph, repressed these feelings and never showed them to anyone(and seemed to be unaware of them himself).This Self-disgust was eventually personified as the Superego, who acted out Max's suicidal urges. But, like l said before, this idea seems a bit dark for such an upbeat series, and I'm probably overthinking it. Still, let me know what you guys think.
    That's precisely what the 3rd season is about...:eek:
    But you just put it all in perspective. Also, the themes in this season are a bit darker, with death and nostalgia jokes all over the place. Not to mention 'Noir Sam's' appearance.
    I personally think you've hit the nail on the head. I agree. :)
  • Max has an abnormal psychology, and maybe he sort of hates himself sometimes for being too ADD ridden to enjoy the finer things in life.

    This suicidal impulse is normally expressed through his completely reckless behaviour, tho.

    Max's superego was only able to take control because the rest of his mind went feral when he turned into Maxthulhu.
  • I think it's based on the Freudian theory of the id, ego and the superego. The id is the part of the mind that sends out instinctual desires and drive, the ego rationalises these desires and mediates between id and reality, the superego moralises, criticises and prohibits the drives, fantasies, feellings and actions. Max however only acts upon the instinct of the id, ignoring the superego, the superego becomes so depressed with being useless he tries to kill Max off. I think Purcell said that Max is a representation of pure id, so the superego I believe has become a semi dectacted part of Max' phsyce working to undermine his mind from with in.
  • Partially agreed. The superego is not the final decision maker or the overall person's perception of themselves however. It has no more sway than Max's ID. The superego may be disgusted with the ID's behavior while the ID finds the superego ridiculous. They meet somewhere in the middle, in Max's ego. So maybe a part of him is self loathing, but another part doesn't particularly care.
  • I also think the pure id part of Max is actually his Maxzilla self. When Max turned into his id counterpart, his superego became completely independent from id (or more like both were torn apart). Ego generally is given birth by the common points of id and superego and now that both id and superego were independent from each other, there was nothing that would construct the ego part.

    Max is close to id, but cannot be pure id since he's able to walk, talk, and even think rationally (or irrationally, even). I mean there are still some really basic stuff that superego takes some credit.
  • It occurred to me about a week ago that although we've been treating the Narrator like a separate entity who had this nefarious plot to destroy Max, he's really a part of his subconscious, not some other being. So that would imply that on some subconscious level, Max may have suicidal tendencies. Which realy disturbed me the first time I thought of it.
  • I can feel my psychology degree going to work.
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    I thought of this, but I wasn't sure if it was 1) one of those 'wait, that plot point really means...' things that is unintentional or 2) one of those 'wait, that plot point really means...' things which is deliberate. Either way, a (n ignored) component of Max's psyche has given up on life and wants both itself and Max dead, and there's not really much of a way of un-darking that once you think of it. See also: Fridge Horror.

    Not going to argue for a second that this was any of the writers's intentions... but at least having a part of his brain desperately longing for the sweet oblivion of death explains Max's night terrors.


    ...Other totally meaningless, stupid thoughts: If the Narrator is Max's Superego and Max himself is the Ego, does Max's Id normally hang around in Max's brain and watch TV or harrass the Narrator or write horrible fanfiction about Flint Paper or whatever? What does he manifest as?
  • I'd just like to take this opportunity to mention that I was the one to originally post "Fridge Horror" in Max's character sheet for TV Tropes.
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    Player_2;439170 said:
    I'd just like to take this opportunity to mention that I was the one to originally post "Fridge Horror" in Max's character sheet for TV Tropes.
    Creepy as this sounds, I actually guessed it was you - a lot of the stuff you post about reminds me of that description you gave in his character sheet.
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