Which group is worse?

edited August 2013 in The Walking Dead
These groups (of people) had ways of surviving, but they did it in moralistically wrong ways. Which of these groups do you think were the most inhumane during the Apocalypse? St. Johns, Crawford, or the bandits?

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  • edited August 2013
    The St. John's were just cannibals.
    Crawford had a good idea.
    Bacon and Toast go well together.

    I guess the Bandits since all they do is rob and kill. And they all deserve to die. Then again, there are more gangs than cannibals in real life.
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    The St. John's were just cannibals.

    JUST cannibals???
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    And, in the unused lines, Ben and Travis may have been forced to watch as the bandits assaulted the women in their group. And Jolene's daughter even.
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    But although I find the St. John's wholly sickening and immoral, the Bandits surely must win this one. Raping and killing little girls...?? Christ....
  • edited August 2013
    JUST cannibals???

    Ok, and murderers. Not as bad as the bandits acts.
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    I'd say Crawford. The sick, old and children were kicked out of Crawford due to their "survival of the fittest" get-go. If that wasn't bad enough, Crawford also refused to give meds to residents who were on the verge of death or seriously ill. Hence, Molly had to exchange sex for drugs to help her diabetic sister. Supplies were used very sparingly according to the numerous signs and symbols around the school. Looters would be shot on the spot, and the residents had to "make the most they could out of their rations."

    The St. Johns ate people before and after the apocalypse. The entirety of Lee and co.'s visit to the dairy was set on the intent that they would eventually be killed off, or eaten. Andy went so far as to try to kill Lee and Mark with the electric fence when they were "securing" the perimeter. These people went pretty far to survive.

    Lastly, we come to the bandits. Riddled up on meth, these guys had a deal going with the St. Johns for food. At that point, I thought that these guys were just trying to survive. At the end of episode 2, it was sickening to learn that they had raped their co-worker Jolene, and likely her daughter Danielle, too. At that point, I thought that the bandits mentality had gone downhill at the point of not getting any food. When abducting the motor inn, surprisingly, the leader gives Lee and co. a chance to comply with their demands before Lilly pulls off her trigger. The bandits could have actually worked something out with Lee and the group, like civilized people.

    Crawford->Bandits->St.Johns stand on my list at inhumanity. Crawford was the most inhumane group in season 1.
  • edited August 2013
    Just going by what we've seen, I'd say the bandits.

    The St. Johns were screwed up, but at least seemed to have some form of regret in them for what they do. They weren't necessarily evil, but believed their hideous tactics were the only way to survive in the new world. Not that that excuses their actions of going after innocent people, of course, but I feel like they took no pleasure in what they did. They weren't cackling villains, just desperate people pushed over the edge.

    Crawford were a bunch of bastards who killed the ones who were going to die anyway, similar to the St. Johns, but let the children go. Of course, sending families out there to fend for themselves is terrible, but there is still a chance for survival. Hell, Lee said himself he couldn't care less if Lilly sent Ben and David out there once David was patched up (and how patched up could he really be with a missing leg?), which is basically the same thing.

    The bandits spared no one, as far as we can tell. They just killed, raped, stole, and didn't show any remorse for even children, as we heard from Jolene and what they did to her daughter. They had no loyalty to each other, either, or at least very shaky loyalty, as we saw when the masked bandit shot his own teammate because he didn't share his food. They had no system and no real plan. Not only were their actions terrible, but just the way they operated also makes their way of living in the zombie apocalypse the worst.
  • edited August 2013
    Zeruis wrote: »
    I'd say Crawford. The sick, old and children were kicked out of Crawford due to their "survival of the fittest" get-go. If that wasn't bad enough, Crawford also refused to give meds to residents who were on the verge of death or seriously ill. Hence, Molly had to exchange sex for drugs to help her diabetic sister. Supplies were used very sparingly according to the numerous signs and symbols around the school. Looters would be shot on the spot, and the residents had to "make the most they could out of their rations."

    The St. Johns ate people before and after the apocalypse. The entirety of Lee and co.'s visit to the dairy was set on the intent that they would eventually be killed off, or eaten. Andy went so far as to try to kill Lee and Mark with the electric fence when they were "securing" the perimeter. These people went pretty far to survive.

    Lastly, we come to the bandits. Riddled up on meth, these guys had a deal going with the St. Johns for food. At that point, I thought that these guys were just trying to survive. At the end of episode 2, it was sickening to learn that they had raped their co-worker Jolene, and likely her daughter Danielle, too. At that point, I thought that the bandits mentality had gone downhill at the point of not getting any food. When abducting the motor inn, surprisingly, the leader gives Lee and co. a chance to comply with their demands before Lilly pulls off her trigger. The bandits could have actually worked something out with Lee and the group, like civilized people.

    Crawford->Bandits->St.Johns stand on my list at inhumanity. Crawford was the most inhumane group in season 1.

    I don't know. I think depriving people of medicine/kicking them out is pretty bad but actively targeting and killing them like the bandits do has got to be worse. And using your supplies sparingly and shoot looters isn't that unreasonable a stance to take in the context of an apocalypse.
  • edited August 2013
    Erm, the bandits, for all the aforementioned reasons.

    In addition, their willingness to partake in the St John's mystery (yeah, right) meat deal - they knew what they were getting.
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    In saying that, the Crawford assholes left me the most unsettled.
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    Crawford seems the worst on paper, but atleast they didn't kill strangers and eat them.
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    I chose Crawford,as I find it sick how they send children and their parents out on their own to survive (and most likely die) though it is really a tie between them and the bandits for me,I know the St.John's are cannibals,but Crawford and the bandits were terrible people.

    I actually kind of regret choosing Crawford now,I really don't know which is worse between Crawford and the dairy.

    Oh and bacon and toast is badass.
  • edited August 2013
    How is Crawford any better then the St. John's? Crawford killed and hung the dead as warnings. Molly even said the children, the sick, and the old were all exiled and killed.

    St. John's never took pleasure in killing and eating people. (Danny the exception)
  • edited August 2013
    Yertos wrote: »
    How is Crawford any better then the St. John's? Crawford killed and hung the dead as warnings. Molly even said the children, the sick, and the old were all exiled and killed.

    St. John's never took pleasure in killing and eating people. (Danny the exception)

    I know,but they did still eat people that is what matters,but I am not sure,though I didn't say Crawford is any better than the St. John's,I just can't decide which one is more evil.
  • edited August 2013
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    If only Ben were his own group, then it would have saved Lee, Kenny, and Clem a lot of heart break :P
  • edited August 2013
    Yertos wrote: »
    If only Ben were his own group, then it would have saved Lee, Kenny, and Clem a lot of heart break :P

    He WAS part of his own group. But they all died... except for Ben.

    On topic, I pick Crawford. The bandits were bad, but they were just that: Bandits. The St. Johns are cannibals, which is pretty horrific, and they get second on my list, but Crawford, in my opinion, is the worst.

    Crawford actively began exiling and executing its own members at some point in order to simply "preserve their resources" or some bullshit. It's never outright stated, to my knowledge, but I always picture them shooting Vernon's friends (the five of his group that Crawford captured before they found the morgue), which they do because they USED to be sick. I wouldn't be surprised if both Molly and Vernon knew some of the walkers we saw that comprised the barricade by the river.

    In addition to that, they actually send parents and their children out into a zombie infested city, which is certain death. Shooting them would be more humane, actually, since they wouldn't have to endure the pain of being eaten alive, or starving to death out in an apocalyptic wasteland. The leaders of Crawford were willing to get rid of anyone that they deemed a detriment to the survival of their dictatorship. Eventually, they may have just decided to begin getting rid of people that they didn't like, if they hadn't reached that point already by the time Anna Correa went postal.

    So, in the end, the Bandits, rapist monsters and murderers, at least stuck together for the most part (emphasis on "the most part"), and the St. Johns always looked out for each other, despite being cannibalistic killers who traded human meat for supplies. Crawford was completely and utterly willing to get rid of anyone in their own community that didn't meet their vision of an ideal survivor, or their "master race" as Vernon put it. Fuck them.
  • edited August 2013
    I must vote Crawford, since they killed a whole lot of innocent people and put them on a barricade full of corpses, left kids to die and kicking anyone that was a little sick.
  • edited August 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    He WAS part of his own group. But they all died... except for Ben.

    On topic, I pick Crawford. The bandits were bad, but they were just that: Bandits. The St. Johns are cannibals, which is pretty horrific, and they get second on my list, but Crawford, in my opinion, is the worst.

    Crawford actively began exiling and executing its own members at some point in order to simply "preserve their resources" or some bullshit. It's never outright stated, to my knowledge, but I always picture them shooting Vernon's friends (the five of his group that Crawford captured before they found the morgue), which they do because they USED to be sick. I wouldn't be surprised if both Molly and Vernon knew some of the walkers we saw that comprised the barricade by the river.

    In addition to that, they actually send parents and their children out into a zombie infested city, which is certain death. Shooting them would be more humane, actually, since they wouldn't have to endure the pain of being eaten alive, or starving to death out in an apocalyptic wasteland. The leaders of Crawford were willing to get rid of anyone that they deemed a detriment to the survival of their dictatorship. Eventually, they may have just decided to begin getting rid of people that they didn't like, if they hadn't reached that point already by the time Anna Correa went postal.

    So, in the end, the Bandits, rapist monsters and murderers, at least stuck together for the most part (emphasis on "the most part"), and the St. Johns always looked out for each other, despite being cannibalistic killers who traded human meat for supplies. Crawford was completely and utterly willing to get rid of anyone in their own community that didn't meet their vision of an ideal survivor, or their "master race" as Vernon put it. Fuck them.

    I agree, they were the worst, and it would have been interested to see them alive even though they were bad.
  • edited August 2013
    And, in the unused lines, Ben and Travis may have been forced to watch as the bandits assaulted the women in their group. And Jolene's daughter even.

    ..Yup. He also saw one of his friends..er.. get raped. :(
    It just makes me sad for Ben. He lost all his friends, his family's fate is unknown... Also what I just said.

    But, still, GODDAMMIT, BEN!
  • edited August 2013
    I don't hate the kid, but I guess if getting somewhat famous on the back of Ben is not alright with him, I apologies, to bad he is already dead, GODDAMMIT BEN you died before I could apologies.
  • edited August 2013
    I misread the question. For some reason I voted for who had the best way of living (for being "bad guys")

    But It worked cause the answer is the same for both questions. I voted the bandits cause till Lilly used them for target practice Whatever the bandits were doing was working for them. Plus they used Crossbows which just like Daryl from the TV series is actually smart since you get all the convenience of shooting with a gun without all the hassle of drawing in more walkers. Also they had roofless aggression which is needed in a Zombie apocalypse. The only thing I cant really agree with the bandits on is raping people. 1 you traumatize somebody. 2 you risk bringing in a new life into a cruel cold world
  • edited August 2013
    Crawford kicked out people they saw as useless, killed the opposition and had very strict rules but still maintened a form of society. Hell, there was even corruption there!
    Andy and Brenda killed people because they thought they had no choice. Danny was just a bit crazy.
    The bandits killed, raped and stole from everybody. The fact they forced the St Johns to give them food tells you enough about them.
    Overall, Crawford was pretty bad, but I'd rather stay with them than with the bandits.
  • edited August 2013
    Crawford was the worst one. You can deal with bandits even if you are sick. But you are outsider in Crawford. Creepy place ;/
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    I don't know why but Lilly would have loved Crawford, and Crawford would have loved Lilly, thank god they never met.
  • edited August 2013
    I don't know why but Lilly would have loved Crawford, and Crawford would have loved Lilly

    I dunno, I think this may be getting close to a WORSE love story than Twilight.
    But somehow, it's STILL a better love story than Twilight.
  • edited August 2013
    I dunno, I think this may be getting close to a WORSE love story than Twilight.
    But somehow, it's STILL a better love story than Twilight.

    Plot twist: Lilly was the leader of Crawford.
  • edited August 2013
    Probably the bandits.

    As mentally twisted as the St. Johns were, and as cruel and shortsighted as Crawford was made out to be, the bandits didn't even try to make an attempt to justify their wanton rape and murder.
    I don't know why but Lilly would have loved Crawford, and Crawford would have loved Lilly, thank god they never met.

    Her father had a heart condition. I doubt they would have gotten along.
  • edited August 2013
    Who knows maybe the people in Crawford left when the zombies came and perhaps Tavia's group is Crawford dun dun dun!!!
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