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  • The blood could have remained there from Faith's head. TJ noticed someone saying "stop laughing" and quickly rushed underwater. The person or people that dropped the body could have heard the splash. We have to find the ribbon to know who killed Lily.

    Leon2703 posted: »

    Do you guys think is the same killer? Lily didn't have a ribbon in her mouth and her head seemed like it was just tossed there, and there was a huge amount of blood in the scene...

  • Well, I thought he had shot himself while standing, and fell on the couch, that would explain the scene IMO.

    LukaszB posted: »

    Exactly. I don't know haw someone would continue to talk when I already made an indication of that small fact.

  • That makes perfect sense.

    LukaszB posted: »

    The blood could have remained there from Faith's head. TJ noticed someone saying "stop laughing" and quickly rushed underwater. The

  • How someone could talk about what? About how you said it was a shotgun, that can shoot 2 9MM bullets? LukaszB Go back to school. His body was hit by the bullet, went through him and into the wall. Its one bullet. 2 entry wounds with one exit wound.

    Leon2703 posted: »

    Well, I thought he had shot himself while standing, and fell on the couch, that would explain the scene IMO.

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    I think the ginger is going to be the 'boy who cried wolf '. He has a vendetta against Bigby for what happened in their past, so he stole Bluebeard's sword and started killing people as a way to get back at Bigby. The Twiddles were hired by Blubeard to retrieve said sword before complete mayhem ensues and things get out of hand. But then again, who knows?

  • The head has an entry wound but no exit wound. The lung has an entry wound and an exit wound. A bullet doesn't just fly inside a body.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    How someone could talk about what? About how you said it was a shotgun, that can shoot 2 9MM bullets? LukaszB Go back to school. His body was hit by the bullet, went through him and into the wall. Its one bullet. 2 entry wounds with one exit wound.

  • edited February 2014

    He shot both bulets, if you go to Lawrence first, he just have the wound on his chest and he is still alive, and later he shots himself in the head (if you tell Faith is dead), but you can manage tto keep him alive... Two shots, both suicide atempts... try going to Lawrence first and you will see...

    LukaszB posted: »

    The head has an entry wound but no exit wound. The lung has an entry wound and an exit wound. A bullet doesn't just fly inside a body.

  • Colin the pig, really? He's a slow-moving, slow-acting sponge in search of creature comforts.

    Every cigarette dispenser we've seen stocks Huff n Puff. There's one in Trip Trap, Pudding & Pie and somewhere else I can't quite put my finger on. So that means the Trip Trap clientele and Pudding & Pie punters at the very least smoke it. Let's bear in mind it's clear Bigby doesn't frequent either establishment.

  • Then why is there one shell casing? Why does Lawrence scream at Dee and shoot in his direction when you say the half-truth? The knife is in a different place as well. Only Dee knows what happened, and he is constantly lying as mentioned in a different topic.

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    It's possible we haven't met the killer yet. Crooked Mile must be a dual reference to both the Crooked Man (who is a loan shark, as we learn from Beauty) and "being out by a country mile". So clearly another diversion to keep the story going for 5 episodes. I still think the Tweedles are Georgie's thugs. He had two of his earners die on him, at the murderer's hand, so he's not happy. Crane tried to get Bigby off their scent in the car because Georgie has a hold over him, what with being a long-term customer of Lily.

  • The girl outside the club is Crane's regular. "Call Vivian right this minute". If you wait for the voice characters Vivian is there. Lily is Woody's regular.

    tbm1986 posted: »

    It's possible we haven't met the killer yet. Crooked Mile must be a dual reference to both the Crooked Man (who is a loan shark, as

  • edited February 2014

    Lawrence screams at Dee because he thinks Faith is missing, and assumes Dee is the one to blame (half-truth>> Faith is missing), if you tell the truth, he shoots himself.
    If you go to Toad's first, Dee gets to the apartament, sees that Lawrence is alive, tells him the truth and the Prince kills himself...
    About the shell, maybe Bigby just didn't find it?

    LukaszB posted: »

    Then why is there one shell casing? Why does Lawrence scream at Dee and shoot in his direction when you say the half-truth? The knif

  • Lawrence is right handed, why would he shoot from the left which he would miss?

    Leon2703 posted: »

    Lawrence screams at Dee because he thinks Faith is missing, and assumes Dee is the one to blame (half-truth>> Faith is missing

  • Yes, you have a good point. After I finished episode 2 it became very suggestive that heads are addressed to Crane.

    Why does it have to Be Bigby? Crane and Snow live in the Apartments too...


  • Empty Huff and Puff might be Bigby's, but it's very unlikely. This is trash can, not a bin, so only logical way for Bigby's cigarettes to end up there is for him to take out the trash, and going by the state of his flate he haven't done it in a long while.

    It can also be entirely random, there are vending machines dedicated to it, after all. But residents of the Woodlands are not the type to smoke this cheap brand, and Beauty told she doesn't personally know anyone except Bigby smoking it.

    So I agree, Huff and Puff likely belonged to a killer.

    We also have blood trail from the fence near the trash can and piece of jeans fabric. Though I haven't made anything of it yet, and we haven't met anyone wearing light colored jeans in the game. Except from Jack maybe.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    I present to you, the ONLY evidence tied to the killer. Huff and Puff smokes. It was brought to my attention at fake snow's crime

  • Yup

    It is Colin!

  • And Hans.

    leemorry posted: »

    Empty Huff and Puff might be Bigby's, but it's very unlikely. This is trash can, not a bin, so only logical way for Bigby's cigarett

  • I don't think they are tied to Georgie. Remember Faith stole from their employer. IF she had stolen from Georgie, why was Faith trying to get money from the woodsman to pay to Georgie? Wouldn't you be running from the person you stole from?

    I do, however, believe that Crane is tied to Georgie. Before you went to talk to the little mermaid, he said he was going to call the deputy mayor (Crane) likely to inform him that you are getting close to his fetish.

    tbm1986 posted: »

    It's possible we haven't met the killer yet. Crooked Mile must be a dual reference to both the Crooked Man (who is a loan shark, as

  • You said "Colin the pig, really? He's a slow-moving, slow-acting sponge in search of creature comforts."

    He isn't living in comfort thanks to Bigby and revenge is a VERY strong motivator. Slow moving? That's what glamour is for.

    tbm1986 posted: »

    Colin the pig, really? He's a slow-moving, slow-acting sponge in search of creature comforts. Every cigarette dispenser we've see

  • From the left? How hard is it to shoot yourself in the head, its pointblank.

    LukaszB posted: »

    Lawrence is right handed, why would he shoot from the left which he would miss?

  • I agree with you on this 100% and liking it as well.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    I don't think they are tied to Georgie. Remember Faith stole from their employer. IF she had stolen from Georgie, why was Faith tryi

  • Trauma, and the gun was on the right.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    From the left? How hard is it to shoot yourself in the head, its pointblank.

  • Depends on what you do. If you visit him first, he is only shot in the chest which HE did. He then shoots himself if you let Dee talk. The round never leaves his head when he does kill himself with Dee present.

    If you go to him last, 1 shot, 1 entry/exit wound, bullet is in the wall.

    I have no idea what game you are playing, but there is NO evidence of a shotgun blast and the single bullet is accounted for.

    The loop-hole in the whole thing is Dee's story doesn't make sense if you visit Toad first. He says he told him about Faith and THEN he shoots himself. BUT the gun was shot a week ago regardless of which path you choose. Same day vs a week... I think it was an oversight on the developers.

    LukaszB posted: »

    The head has an entry wound but no exit wound. The lung has an entry wound and an exit wound. A bullet doesn't just fly inside a body.

  • The voicing is the first thing finished as it was mentioned by Telltale Staff, hence there are no voice bugs and definitely no oversight. The gun is on the right, when the head wound is on the left only when you go to Lawrence's after being at Toads. The lung is the only place where there is an entry and exit wound no matter where you go first.

    Also I'm taking back the shotgun possibility, but I doubt the head wound was from a 9mm handgun. A revolver maybe.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    Depends on what you do. If you visit him first, he is only shot in the chest which HE did. He then shoots himself if you let Dee tal

  • edited February 2014

    A bullet travels at about 6336 miles per hour. Point blank AND tumble from it entering the body, its gonna leave a big hole.

    And what you just said doesn't account for the "Fired a week ago" if he DID shoot himself in front of Dee had you visited toad first. Obvious HOLE IN CONTENT is... obvious.

    LukaszB posted: »

    The voicing is the first thing finished as it was mentioned by Telltale Staff, hence there are no voice bugs and definitely no overs

  • 2 exit wounds doesn't add up

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    A bullet travels at about 6336 miles per hour. Point blank AND tumble from it entering the body, its gonna leave a big hole. And

  • Still not countering my HOLE IN CONTENT comment. I care little about saving/fail saving that stupid prince.

    LukaszB posted: »

    2 exit wounds doesn't add up

  • "I do, however, believe that Crane is tied to Georgie. Before you went to talk to the little mermaid, he said he was going to call the deputy mayor (Crane) likely to inform him that you are getting close to his fetish."

    That's just conjecture.

    Who else was he going to call when the sheriff comes shaking his place up?

    Hang around and listen to the conversation then.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    I don't think they are tied to Georgie. Remember Faith stole from their employer. IF she had stolen from Georgie, why was Faith tryi

  • I never did anything to his place and he still calls. No matter what happens, he will ALWAYS call.

    "I do, however, believe that Crane is tied to Georgie. Before you went to talk to the little mermaid, he said he was going to call t

  • edited February 2014

    he DIDN'T shot himself with his left hand, the wound on the left side of his head is the exit wound, (it's easy to miss the entry wound, since there's just a little bit of blood). He shot himself in the chest but was still alive, Dee tells him Faith is dead, he takes the gun with his right hand and shoots his head, that's why there is blood on the fire place, and on Dee's face, the exit wound. Two bullets, two entry wounds, two exit wounds, one gun and one shooter.

    LukaszB posted: »

    2 exit wounds doesn't add up

  • I like that you mentioned the conversation. And both of you are making my killer theory more realistic.

    "I do, however, believe that Crane is tied to Georgie. Before you went to talk to the little mermaid, he said he was going to call t

  • All theories aside, Crane is definitely tied to Georgie in some way, he is his client, after all. I don't think he just randomly met Lilly on the street, he must've visited Pudding and Pie at least once.

    Maybe he was the one who provided "the lips are sealed" spell, because unlike the cheap glamour Lily and possibly other girls were using, the spell was powerful.

    "Through powerful magic her whereabouts concealed. Unfortunately for you, these lips are sealed."

    "What?"
    "These lips are sealed. It's not my choice of phrasing, Bigby. It's simply the way this has to be"


    If the spell is stronger than the Mirror, it's probably expensive as hell. Maybe Crane payed for it so he could then hire "Snow White" and be absolutely sure she won't tell anyone.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    I don't think they are tied to Georgie. Remember Faith stole from their employer. IF she had stolen from Georgie, why was Faith tryi

  • About Faith.
    There are reasons to assume Tweedldee/dum work for Crane. When you say that you suspect Dee/Dum, and tell him they snoop around every crime scene, he is not surprised, he is calm and he instantly rejects the idea they might be involved in the murders. His reaction when you use force during Dee's interrogation looks like genuine panic.

    When Dee's slips about working for a boss, Crane exclaims "What did you say?". C'mon, Crane, its not a surprise, of course he has a boss, no need to look shocked. Furthermore, when you leave, he lets Dee go and tells him about the body TJ found. We know because Dee said all of that in the bar. While letting him go is semi-OK, telling him about the body is extremely suspicious.

    We know Faith stole something. If you are violent to Dee, he says she stole "just some dumb thing my boss was after". If you are nice to him instead, he says "she stole from my boss". This could be slight continuity error. But both of this things may mean that she stole for Dee's boss and failed to deliver it to him, possibly because she wanted the thing for herself, more likely because she was killed.

    Assuming Crane is Dee's boss, Faith either stole from him or for him, didn't deliver and died on top of it. He then hired Dee/Dum to investigate and find whatever it was that she stole. And while he is not involved in her death, this is his yet another connection to "Pudding and Pie".

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    I don't think they are tied to Georgie. Remember Faith stole from their employer. IF she had stolen from Georgie, why was Faith tryi

  • Slightly offtopic: there was too much blood on the bed in the hotel room, don't you think? I wonder if you have any ideas on this matter.

    My take is that she wasn't killed in that bed, blood was poured there later to frame Crane, along with photos.

    Deathwish47 posted: »

    Crane doesn't smoke. He DOES drink wine, which if you remember, he was taking to a "Massage." He clearly did meet with the fake snow

  • I really like your theories... But, where does the killer fit in it? Do you think the killer has nothing to do with Crane/the Tweedles/Georgie/the spell?

    leemorry posted: »

    About Faith. There are reasons to assume Tweedldee/dum work for Crane. When you say that you suspect Dee/Dum, and tell him they sno

  • Thank you.

    I think the killer wasn't even introduced yet. We know that he leaves heads of his victims on Woodland's doorstep as a message. Both dead girls were connected to Crane and also, to some extend, to Bigby. Their connection with Crane, however, seems much stronger. So I assume Crane is the one they are "addressed" to.

    So why did killer want to attract attention to them in the first place? What is unusual about these girls? Well, their connection to Crane is. Faith stole something for/from him. Lily was his fake-Snow-White (either regular one or just the one who was "on duty" this day).

    Attracting attention to this girls exposed some dirt and got Crane in huge trouble, making him suspect number one. Was this just a coincidence or was it killers intent? My money is on the latter.

    Lily's murder possibly looked like this: someone found out about Crane's fetish, took photographs. Waited for him to make an appointment with a prostitute so she would be in glamour. Killed her, staged the hotel room nuber 207 to look like murder scene, kindly leaving an enormous pool of blood on the bed and incriminating photographs just laying around. Placed head on sherif's doorstep so he wouldn't miss it, then got rid of the body and waited for the result.

    So killer is Crane's enemy. Bluebeard comes to mind because he got Crane's position, but beheading Faith and Lily seems a bit extreme. Exposing Crane's fetish seems enough to make him loose his job on it's own, no need for becoming a serial killer. And he isn't Crane's "enemy" as far as I can tell.

    Headless Horseman is Icabod Crane's nemesis in original tales, and they also include throwing severed head at him. So there is that.


    I don't think fake-Snow-White was always played by the same girl, by the way. Real-Snow-White was making this appointments for Crane with Vivian (she thought it was massage). Vivian is the woman who greeted Bigby when he went to PudinPie, as credits for voice actors say. I guess she is "madam" and in charge of the girls (after Georgie, of course). Crane only saw prostitutes in Snow White's glamour, and Vivian was the one who chose them for him. No reason for him to have a regular, though it is possible. I don't think it matters though.

    Leon2703 posted: »

    I really like your theories... But, where does the killer fit in it? Do you think the killer has nothing to do with Crane/the Tweedles/Georgie/the spell?

  • Awesome, I think there's nothing more to figure out until the next episode. You did a great job.

    leemorry posted: »

    Thank you. I think the killer wasn't even introduced yet. We know that he leaves heads of his victims on Woodland's doorstep as a

  • Add the fact that Holly associated Snow with the hooking thing. That was right after Bigby ask her for reasons of why her sister would be glamoured as Snow White. And then Hollys is so pissed that she said to Snow: "Get the fuck out of my bar" ... "It should've been you, it should've been you and it wasn't"

    What a surprise for Holly it was. Before all that she only believed that Snow was a hooker.

    leemorry posted: »

    Thank you. I think the killer wasn't even introduced yet. We know that he leaves heads of his victims on Woodland's doorstep as a

  • edited February 2014

    Thanks, mate. :D

    But I think there are still plenty of things to figure out. I have a list of wierd stuff that doesn't add up, for example:

    There is a pool of sticky blood in Lawrence's apartment. Partly on the bed, partly on the floor. And the bed is in assembled position.

    Now Lawrence was in a coma for at least a week, as Bigby smelled from a gun. Blood on his wrist is also completely dry, but there was a fan pointed directly at it, so this is not evidence.

    Note on the bed, however, is Lawrence's, because if you pick "we saw your suicide note" option in the dialog, he doesn't deny it. But he wouldn't lift the bed back up after placing a note on it! So someone else must've done it. And left moderately small pool of blood in the process.


    By the way, I think that another evidence that killer is helping investigation is Faith's ring in her mouth. Ring only bears her family emblem, there is nothing more to it. It is as if the killer wanted us to find out her identity. This also explains ribbon in her mouth - he wouldn't expect someone to randomly stick their fingers up dead girl's head, so he tied ring to a ribbon and left it hanging out of the mouth.

    Leon2703 posted: »

    Awesome, I think there's nothing more to figure out until the next episode. You did a great job.

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