The Walking Dead died

edited December 2013 in The Walking Dead

It has been revealed that for the next season you will be playing as a little girl(puke), as if we haven't been annoyed by her enough in the first season.
Seriously, I barely got to the end of the first season thinking I would eventually ditch the obnoxious brat.
Why did you ruin your game so..

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  • This is your second thread in which you state how much you dislike The Walking Dead. If you don't like it, may I ask why you're hear, on a discussion board for the game, talking about it?

    As to your post... they made Clementine the protagonist in this one because the vast majority of people have grown very attached to her and want to see what happens next to her. It makes good creative - and business - sense.

  • Man, how sucky does it feel being so incredibly wrong?

  • The vast majority of the community like Clementine. Deal with it.

  • And what's up with shoving females down our throats, why couldn't it have been a boy?
    Did you think you would get cheap sentiments out of it being a girl?
    You do realize that the majority of players are male and do not wish to play as girls...

  • Hope you're having fun trolling. What you're essentially asking for is a game that isn't TWD.

    quatrog posted: »

    And what's up with shoving females down our throats, why couldn't it have been a boy? Did you think you would get cheap sentiments out of it being a girl? You do realize that the majority of players are male and do not wish to play as girls...

  • I hate trolls

  • FreddeN93FreddeN93 Banned
    edited December 2013

    @quatrog Go and play The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct. That is the game for you. And leave this forum outside your trolling.

    quatrog posted: »

    And what's up with shoving females down our throats, why couldn't it have been a boy? Did you think you would get cheap sentiments out of it being a girl? You do realize that the majority of players are male and do not wish to play as girls...

  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited December 2013

    Don't know where BioWare collects those statistics. Flyover states? Certainly not from my personal computer, that much is certain. ;)

    Electronic Arts has a history of boasting with their stance towards gender issues at every possible opportunity. They are literally issuing press releases about how fast female NPC designs are approved by the management for the Mass Effect franchise. When they're being voted worst company in America twice in a row, they see it as the homophobes' reaction to their portrayal of LGBT characters in game. One thing is certain, though: Bioware does what Bioware thinks is popular among their gamers. If they really thought only 18% would choose a female Shepard, they would have abandonned the character by the second game.

    In this forum, you'd certainly find a rather different balance. I've specifically even read the stance here that male Shepard just has an unbearably bland voice and should therewith be excluded from Mass Effect canon, leaving 'FemShep' as the only actually real character choice. Extreme, certainly, but that's the other side of the badge BioWare likes to slap on everybody. I personally wanted to try a male Shepard for three years now. I just can't bring myself to do it although I've played these games half a dozen times.

    You will also find that your 'majority of players are male' idea varies extremely from title to title and genre to genre, and we have quite a mixed group here on the forums for a change. That might be different when you go on your average FPS or RTS game forum, but right here and for this type of game, we're balancing things out quite a bit. Always remember that.


    Clementine is an established and beloved character in Telltale's TWD. She went with almost universal approval in the video game world. Her voice actress has taken home awards for the performance. Poor Sean Vanaman had to sit through more than one hour of Peter Molyneux praising the shit out of him for that work. If you did not understand why Season 1 revolved around her and Lee's relationship, I can get behind that, but would also postulate that you could not possibly have hoped to understand the upcoming Season 2.

    Telltale's risking a lot by making Clementine the main character. It will be spectacular if they're doing it right though. If you'd rather have another Rick story, there are plenty of other zombie games out there, and practically every one of these has their playable Rick. It's time to crank up the volume in the video game world. Main characters don't always have to be heroically bold, unapproachable, muscular, athletic 18 to 35 year old males, and they also don't have to be easy harrypotterish instant identification figures for the 14 year olds. Hopefully Telltale's narrative direction remains far, far, faaaar more intellectual than that.


    you will be playing as a little girl(puke)

    The way you phrased it, I think you're afraid to catch cooties. ;)

    quatrog posted: »

    And what's up with shoving females down our throats, why couldn't it have been a boy? Did you think you would get cheap sentiments out of it being a girl? You do realize that the majority of players are male and do not wish to play as girls...

  • @Vainamoinen

    LOL, if the gaming industry were to listen to you it would go bankrupt within 2 years.
    I can't stand immersion breaking games where you are forced to play as a female like Mirror's Edge, Tomb Raider, Transistor, etc.. It completely puts you out of it and makes you feel like an observer.
    And playing as a little girl is even worse than that, developers here are completely clueless.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    Don't know where BioWare collects those statistics. Flyover states? Certainly not from my personal computer, that much is certain.

  • So according to your logic, since it 'sucks so much when you are forced to play as another gender' I guess it makes sense that 'the majority of players are male'.

    Anyway, if I could connect and think and act as Lee, a murderer with different gender, ethnicity and age from mine, it's safe to say it can work the other way round.

    quatrog posted: »

    @Vainamoinen LOL, if the gaming industry were to listen to you it would go bankrupt within 2 years. I can't stand immersion brea

  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited December 2013

    You're right, Ubisoft, Eidos Interactive/Square Enix and Supergiant games have all gone bankrupt quickly after the games you mention. Heck, EA certainly did after Mass Effect. These games really don't have many followers anyway.

    You have an individual preference for playing male characters, and you have a lot of trouble to assume main character roles that do not mirror parts of your perceived or ideal self. That is OK. Many, especially older gamers have the same problem. You will find more than enough games that cater to your taste, it's still an idea the industry has for some reason.

    But you don't get to make blanket statements about the experience ("It puts you out of it"). As you might have seen, you're pretty much singled out in your stance here, and all these people are here explicitly FOR the kind of immersion you personally think is broken with a juvenile female character.

    TL;DR: For this complaint, you're in the wrong company's forum.

    quatrog posted: »

    @Vainamoinen LOL, if the gaming industry were to listen to you it would go bankrupt within 2 years. I can't stand immersion brea

  • I think we can cool the insults down a bit.

    Web Head posted: »

    Yeah yeah, I think FUCK boys the oblivious f**ks and the most intelligent girls rule all the way yeah? That's what I am seeing.

  • trolls have invaded telltales community..we need to act soon or its full invasion by imature children

  • Yeah yeah, I think FUCK boys the oblivious f**ks and the most intelligent girls rule all the way yeah? That's what I am seeing.

  • edited December 2013

    Not all children are immature u know? Just saying

    Wyatt#1 posted: »

    trolls have invaded telltales community..we need to act soon or its full invasion by imature children

  • name one

    SomGuye posted: »

    Not all children are immature u know? Just saying

  • Clementine.

    Wyatt#1 posted: »

    name one

  • edited December 2013

    can you not just close this thread? the guy is obviously a troll and you have got your point across.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    I think we can cool the insults down a bit.

  • This is why the choice to choose your gender and looks is present in a wide variety of games. This is why Diablo and Torchlight evolved from gender locked classes to complete choice for every class in Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2.

    Btw, I love how you completely dismiss the fact that less than a quarter of players played as female in Mass Effect, the most mainstream marketed game ever made.

  • I like how you dismiss the fact that female Shepard was so popular she got her own version of the game cover.

    quatrog posted: »

    This is why the choice to choose your gender and looks is present in a wide variety of games. This is why Diablo and Torchlight evol

  • Most games... The Walking dead isn't most games you see.

    Do you even begin to realize how hard it would be to allow gender choice on a game such as this ? Most games with gender choice barely change 2 or 3 things during the game to make it feel like they're different. You mentionned Mass Effect, what changes does the game have if you pick Female ? Almost nothing, a different response to Wrex's opinions on women, and an extra Renegade Interrupt in Garrus's recruitment mission, big deal.

    Do you think that could work with TWD ? I don't think so.
    Being female in the Walking Dead changes almost everything, from the dialogue choices to the action you can/can't perform, even the reactions people have from what you say, everything. Factor in the changes the history will have depending on your actions and you simply get something too big to handle, for now. Telltale isn't the kind of company that would just slap on a female/male counterpart with 3 different dialogues out of thousands just to say "Hey look we put a gender choice buy our game plox". EA might be this kind of company, but not Telltale.

    The day they'll put gender choice if they do, they'll make it so that we don't feel like replaying the same thing with a pair of boobs in front of our nose and a different voice.

    quatrog posted: »

    This is why the choice to choose your gender and looks is present in a wide variety of games. This is why Diablo and Torchlight evol

  • I think there's also some societal baggage. We're expected to relate with dudes, they're the norm, but asking men to relate with us is insanity.

    liz_lawliet posted: »

    So according to your logic, since it 'sucks so much when you are forced to play as another gender' I guess it makes sense that 'the

  • A moderator who doesn't know how to use English... It's ' here ' not ' hear '. Shame on you.

    This is your second thread in which you state how much you dislike The Walking Dead. If you don't like it, may I ask why you're hear

  • Grammar nazi.

    Sorry, I just had to. :)

    UndeadEuan posted: »

    A moderator who doesn't know how to use English... It's ' here ' not ' hear '. Shame on you.

  • you got me there

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    Clementine.

  • Touché.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    Clementine.

  • Yeah, that's the beef I have with Mass Effect. Picking male or female is essentially irrelevant. It's the same person and that's that. What you do choose is wether you'd like to look at a guy's or a gal's ass for 40 hours. Maybe the 82% male Shepards mean that the girl on the sofa in front of the screen gets to make the call, who knows.

    The crux of the matter is that Walking Dead is an extremely narratively centered game. The range of protagonists shouldn't cater to the young demographic used to play games as wish fulfillment, it should cater to mature gamers who are interested in personalities besides their own. The same main character range as in movies or literature should be possible.

    But most of all - customization is not up to the player in these plot driven games, it's up to the designer. Lee as well as Clementine, as characters in a story, came with a fixed set of quirks, beliefs and morals, and these changed only just a bit during the Season. It should be just as easy understanding and playing as a 9 year old girl as it is playing as a 30-something murderer.

    If the video game industry puts its focus on storytelling, but limits itself to the one main character they think their demographic can best identify with, what comes out are just plain boring stories.

    Byakuren posted: »

    Most games... The Walking dead isn't most games you see. Do you even begin to realize how hard it would be to allow gender choice

  • Awesome

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    Clementine.

  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited December 2013

    I actually pitched an anti grammar nazi rule to be in the forum guidelines, but...

    ...Laura didn't bite. ;)

    FreddeN93 posted: »

    Grammar nazi. Sorry, I just had to.

  • You would, wouldn't you, Vainamoinen? You're just looking for an excuse.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    I actually pitched an anti grammar nazi rule to be in the forum guidelines, but... ...Laura didn't bite.

  • Clementine f***ing rocks!

  • edited December 2013

    That's it - three week bans for all.

    :p

    And of COURSE I can use English - I wouldn't be able to abuse it quite so much if I couldn't. :D

    FreddeN93 posted: »

    Grammar nazi. Sorry, I just had to.

  • Why would we close it? There's some interesting discussion going on now the OP's not here. :)

    Hershel posted: »

    can you not just close this thread? the guy is obviously a troll and you have got your point across.

  • I'm a 32 year old Native American male that doesn't care who the playable character in a game is as long as the character is interesting and the game is fun. And I personally think that playing as Clem will add a unique experience to an already unique game.

  • edited December 2013

    Fortunately for the OP, if he's looking for a video game about zombies with a middle-aged, ass-kicking male as the lead character, there are a plethora of options out there.

    I for one am excited to see where Telltale goes with this decision. It's the chance to tell the "zombie story" (that we've been beaten over the head with as of late) from a different angle. And hopefully, offer us something fresh by putting the gamer in a different role than usual.

    Now, if you really did hate Clem, then I can understand your disappointment. Unfortunately, that may mean that this is not the game/experience you are looking for. The fact remains though that Clem is a pretty well universally liked character. In no way are the developers "completely clueless" to make Clem the main character. I think they recognize the opportunities this decision provides them in their storytelling, and the willingness of many gamers to go along for the ride without being "completely put out of it" just because they're controlling a young girl.

    I'm not going to tell you that you are wrong for not liking this decision. If you don't like playing as a female character that's entirely your choice. There's no way for me to convince you to like something that you don't like. To each their own. But I will tell you that you are wrong in making blanket statements based on your personal preference.

  • The range of protagonists shouldn't cater to the young demographic used to play games as wish fulfillment, it should cater to mature gamers who are interested in personalities besides their own. The same main character range as in movies or literature should be possible.

    THIS.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    Yeah, that's the beef I have with Mass Effect. Picking male or female is essentially irrelevant. It's the same person and that's tha

  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni

    Polygon recently came out with a really interesting article about the history of the industry and the stereotype of video games being for boys. Definitely worth a read if you've got the time.

    quatrog posted: »

    And what's up with shoving females down our throats, why couldn't it have been a boy? Did you think you would get cheap sentiments out of it being a girl? You do realize that the majority of players are male and do not wish to play as girls...

  • Okay I have something that fits here. I'm a straight male gamer and I fucking love playing as female characters. It allows me to see what it's like to be (a dramatized version) someone completely different. Of Femshep is a badass ! I'm also sure female gamers are sick of being dudes with guns. I want new experiences in gaming, I'm sick to death of dude bros with guns shooting thins, it's been done. However if you like video games about dude bros with guns, go play a game about dude bros with guns, I'm sure there was one out within the last few weeks, but don't on any circumstances say that wanting something other then that is stupid. I'm more hyped for TWD season 2 then I ever was for GTA5 (which was a disappointment anyway). Hell I've had the money save for this season for months. I can see absolutely no reason the OP had to come here and complain that TellTale wasn't making the same game developers have been making for years.

  • wow add sexiest to the list of reasons you should not be on this web site

    quatrog posted: »

    @Vainamoinen LOL, if the gaming industry were to listen to you it would go bankrupt within 2 years. I can't stand immersion brea

  • damn straight

    rabscuttle1 posted: »

    I'm a 32 year old Native American male that doesn't care who the playable character in a game is as long as the character is interes

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