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  • It's not like she spent six months with Omid and Christa who saw it happen and might have mentioned it to her.

    I actually forgot that tell tale said that. I agree there is a chance it is Kenny just based on that comment however I am still stic

  • might - key word. If someone can defend their Kenny standpoint without using "might" "probably" "should" "may have" "could" or "possibly" that would be really great.

    MorsaInsana posted: »

    It's not like she spent six months with Omid and Christa who saw it happen and might have mentioned it to her.

  • You know, I honestly don't care who it is. I'll enjoy the surprise when Telltale releases it.

  • Again, where is everyone getting "bandits" from? What makes them bandits? The fact that they have weapons?

    Can people read through threads before they post? If you have it would save me retyping this every post. Firstly I know its a very

  • Your right I actually have no clue. Just the context of the scene. Clearly this Carver group are the "bad" guys and it seemed in the trailer there is a confrontation with them. This is where Clem weaves her way through the group to say "i thought you were dead" could very well be NOT bandits and maybe just Kenny or Lily alone or in different situations

    Rock114 posted: »

    Again, where is everyone getting "bandits" from? What makes them bandits? The fact that they have weapons?

  • I thought that the people they meet in the mountains were a different group altogether, as in NOT Carver's group of rapscallions. I mean, we have no idea if these strange mountain folk ARE bandits or not at this point, or if they even know this Carver guy.

    Your right I actually have no clue. Just the context of the scene. Clearly this Carver group are the "bad" guys and it seemed in the

  • edited December 2013

    Yes, nowhere it is said, that the group at the end of the preview is the same group that shot the guys at the river.

    Or if they were, who attacked whom. I mean they could have been trying to fish there as well, got attacked and killed the attackers. Which most likely would mean that the dead on the river were from two groups. We do have one point that strengthens the idea of some of the bodies being aggressors. The guy Clem can give the water to. He is in the group that attacked Christa. Although then again that could also have been preemptive self-defense. Seeing a person, thinking that person is scouting for a rival group and questioning said person. Although they go over board with the shooting. But who knows at that point, how nervous they are if they were under constant attack by another group?

    The bandit-thing is speculation at that point. We don't know anthing about the constellation of the groups. Even Pete and Nick just suspect that Carver-guy (is it a guy? is it a girl? is Carver the name of the group?). That doesn't mean that the dead on the river were really Carvers doing.

    Rock114 posted: »

    Again, where is everyone getting "bandits" from? What makes them bandits? The fact that they have weapons?

  • ...unless mentioning exploring Kenny's fate would create threads like this. Though I think it's unlikely the girl survived being shot, Clem would definitely think that girl is dead. At this stage, it's still a possibility, regardless of how unlikely we think it would be.

    Definitely not the girl who shot Omid. Girl was in the season for combined 2 minutes. Wouldn't make sense to make such a huge "I thought you were dead " comment over her to end the trailer for episode 2

  • I think the writers are too good to not leave it more open ended if they wanted Kenny in Season 2. Unless they are so good that they can figure a way to get Kenny to close the gate on himself, before he leaves the kid to die and shoots something, and somehow escape the alleyway.

    It's really unlikely if you aren't a huge fan of him.

    I don't think they care, they just want kenny back they don't care about a great plot.

  • Why would Kenny shut the gate to shoot Ben?

    Guest posted: »

    Both characters could be alive here is why: A) Lily was trainend by the Air Force, so she might received training in how to use a

  • Then why did he shut the gate first?

    I agree Kenny knew what he had to do, and that was kill Ben to save him from the pain, and save himself from the walkers. That was Ben who was getting eaten by the walkers . Kenny is alive

  • I hope it's Kenny, as I loved him in Season one and wanted his baby's. Ooooooo that moustache gives me the tingles. But that's enough of my perversions. Seriously though whoever it is, I will just be happy to see a familiar face. Assuming of course the person in question is someone from Season One.

  • This is war! Pick a side!

    You know, I honestly don't care who it is. I'll enjoy the surprise when Telltale releases it.

  • Okay then... let us see...

    Lilly in the end of the credits to season 1, is said to 'never be seen again' when the results of the characters are shown.

    Lilly of the game is different from the Lilly of the comics, which Telltale had originally based Lilly off of, so Lilly was a character to promote and tie into the comic series of TWD.

    Lilly is shown to be driving the opposite way from the train(going to Crawford), meaning Lilly was heading back towards Macon(at least for awhile).
    I'm not 100% sure, but I believe season 2 is in North Carolina(the license plate in the beginning during the cooking weasel scene displayed it?), so why would Lilly head North(even Kenny actually has more reason to go North). The easiest excuse would be that he was trying to get away from where Katjaa/Duck died, and didn't want to go home to Floride/Ft. Lauderdale, and yet didn't know where to go, and so he simply headed north(what Clementine was doing, simply roaming around without any idea where she was going, until she met the Cabin group).

    Lilly was not particularly liked by Clementine, as in if you talked to Clementine at the train in episode 3(let Lilly in the RV), she talks about Lilly being tied up forever(about so, anyway). When you see her recognize the person, it isn't of anger, or hatred, or really anything negative. She is simply shocked. Maybe it is to throw the viewer off, but I doubt it is Lilly.

    Lilly was shown getting away no matter your choice, and so Kenny, whom would have been mentioned by Omid/Christa, would be more likely to be thought dead(whether he is or not is different).

    I would say Molly, Christa(You hear her yell and hear a gunshot either way chosen, and Christa was unarmed at the time...), Kenny, hell even Lee, who is even confirmed dead by Telltale, could be the person for all we know. I have decided that Telltale lies until they make it true lol.

    And as far as the scene goes, what happens in the scene could be complete BS, since in several episodes the teaser at the end wasn't always included in the actual episode(such as Christa and Omid in the train station fighting off walkers with the teaser trailer for episode 3). Idk, Lilly would be the last person I'd think would be with the bandits. However, I want to see her again just to 'accidently' get revenge! And don't worry, I expect the same from Kenny-haters, so no reason to hate lol.

  • edited December 2013

    I'm not putting forward a theory. This is an analysis of what some have suggested.
    "Clem was told Kenny died" (Alley) -- this IS an assumption. Let's just say, Kenny locked the gate, made sure Ben wouldn't suffer, and escaped without being bitten (or the "Kenny got bitten but cut off his hands and feet" scenario, it doesn't matter). Where would Christa/Omid think that Kenny would go, had he escaped? Think about it for a second. What would Kenny likely do... Skip forward. Clem asks after Kenny. Should we tell a little kid that Kenny probably died, or would it be more likely for the adults to make some bullshit up like "Kenny decided to split up and go to/in(wherever you think Christa and Omid thought Kenny would go if he escaped)"? I mean, "Kenny isn't travelling with us anymore" is all Clem needs to know. "Kenny died" would probably make Clem upset. I'll ask you again to think that over before jumping to the "she thinks Kenny died" conclusion (which she probably wouldn't think if she thought he just left the group -- which, judging by his demeanor during most of the first season, would not be out of character at all). It is assumed that Kenny had given up (by closing the gate, why would he do that otherwise, other than for Telltale to say "Ha! You thought he died! Even though that means we gave a huge SPOILER by mentioning him, which means the fake death scene was totally unnecessary for anything other than pulling an M Night Shamalyan" or however his name is spelled) and decided to do the one thing that Lee knew he had to do (a blank that everyone is obviously filling in with what they want). I think that if it was really going to be Kenny that Clem thought was dead, then it would make literally no sense to for Telltale to say anything about Kenny. It sounds like a ridiculous spoiler to give away to us. Kenny is a bit of a badass though, maybe he does make it after all.

    "Molly came back to help Kenny" -- this makes sense from a character development point of view (Molly was a loner looking out for herself, protecting others for no personal gain would be character growth), though if you say that Kenny needed Lilly to get out, then you're pretty much saying Kenny's dead if she wasn't in the right place at the right time. I don't like this hypothetical because of the "fancy finding you here, what a coincidence" factor.

    "It could be Christa" -- it could be. The guys that "captured" her wind up dead on the river. Clem could think Christa is dead, as her captors seem to very much be.

    "It could be the girl that drove away" -- it could be. Clem could think she is dead.

    "It could be the girl that got shot" -- Clem would most likely think she is dead. Though there would be a huge plothole, "how did she survive that".

    I lied about not putting forward a theory. It could be someone she thinks is dead because of what happens in the next episode; Clementine is going to probably say WHY she thought they were dead. I can see Telltale putting in the option to promise to be friends with the daughter, and the father saying you'll know what he means about her (which could add to why Clem would think she is dead, if something happens in between the end of this episode and the scene from the cliffhanger), in order to create this cliffhanger with the ability to fool everyone into thinking Clem thought a more familiar face was dead. Either it's her, or Christa's baby (this last sentence is obviously a joke). It makes the most sense to me for Telltale to make a somewhat open ended "he could have died" death scene with Kenny in season one, and to say that his "fate is explored" (which could just be a story another survivor tells about how Kenny hid in a dumpster after shooting himself and Ben in the head with the same bullet, just before Molly drops out of nowhere to help fight off the zombies so they can break open a window and open a grate and escape through the sewers which are overrun with zombies, before cutting off his hands and feet to stop the infection from spreading, just before they go North and join a gang of bandits), which makes people draw the conclusion that it appears they want you to draw (ie, Kenny is not a zombie) when you see the "thought you were dead" cliffhanger. But seriously, one of the characters from season one could have a twin. We really don't know who it is, and we're pretty much taking for granted that Clem hasn't mistakenly recognised someone just so that we could get a brilliant cliffhanger. It could even be one of those cheat "thought this actually happened? It was only a dream" tricks that producers often use in order to get this "what if" reaction. I mean, sheeit, let's say Clem was told about what happened to Ben and Kenny -- what if Ben and Kenny somehow both magicked out of the alleyway, and Ben's wounds magicked away?

  • Your mentioning Lilly never being seen again, and trailers sometimes being "inaccurate", is interesting. But how do you know they are with bandits?

    Your reasoning for Kenny going North is also interesting. But as I mentioned already in a separate post, Telltale should not have given the spoiler if it was him. I think it's far more likely that Telltale found out that a lot of people were big fans of Kenny and didn't want him to die, and either took advantage of that to make the cliffhanger a bigger cliffhanger, or they thought of a way to write Kenny back into the story in order to please fans. I really doubt they would have intended for Kenny to escape, and revealed what would be a huge spoiler if that was what happened. But maybe I'm just overthinking it, and it's just a person introduced in the next episode...

    Mark$man posted: »

    Okay then... let us see... Lilly in the end of the credits to season 1, is said to 'never be seen again' when the results of the

  • Thank you! Someone who provides a good argument on why it may not be Lily. Took only 170 something posts but alas I am dumbfounded. I didn't know Lily was labeled as "never to be seen again. " I truly have no refute just that Lily would be the best and really only logical fit into the storyline. Kenny would not fit at all. I still see no possible explanation for Kenny realistically being there.

    Mark$man posted: »

    Okay then... let us see... Lilly in the end of the credits to season 1, is said to 'never be seen again' when the results of the

  • While I think you are right about this, it is inductive reasoning and you could be wrong. If I have only ever seen white swans, all the evidence I have backs up the claim that swans can only be white.

    Yes the building scene he could of survived. The alley scene- No way. Telltale has not once made any decision matter and by that I m

  • That's assuming that the person Clem recognises is from season one. That's an assumption I'm not making.

    Thank you! Someone who provides a good argument on why it may not be Lily. Took only 170 something posts but alas I am dumbfounded.

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    Imagine if Telltale found out from the guys producing the comics that Kenny was going to be put in the comic due to his popularity in the game? The Kenny rumour/hint was revealed at comic con...

    New thread coming soon...

  • This. Keep in mind the quote is an entire assumption "I THOUGHT" as in an assumption made by a child's mind.

    iDystopia posted: »

    In a zombie apocalypse where Clem has seen so many people die everywhere; is it so hard to believe that maybe she thought Lily died?

  • Merely a hammer being the operative thing

    Kenny isnt as tough as tyreese and he dosnt even have a hammer

    TWDIsLife posted: »

    Tyreese once fought a horde of Walkers with just merely a hammer and lived. End of.

  • Thats an assumption I am making because they wouldn't make it such a big deal if it were someone they only met or interacted with in a span of 24-48 hours…(All that Remains episode)

    That's assuming that the person Clem recognises is from season one. That's an assumption I'm not making.

  • Ok, but there's is still episode two to play. You don't know at which point in that episode the scene from the preview occurs. It could be weeks later.

    Thats an assumption I am making because they wouldn't make it such a big deal if it were someone they only met or interacted with in a span of 24-48 hours…(All that Remains episode)

  • Yes but clearly they ended the trailer to episode 2 on it and i believe trailers go chronologically. Im assuming that we find out who he/she is at the very end. Yes episode two can have weeks in between or even months but the way it is set up leads me to believe it has to be someone from season 1

    Made posted: »

    Ok, but there's is still episode two to play. You don't know at which point in that episode the scene from the preview occurs. It could be weeks later.

  • I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.

    I can easily imagine that's it's someone who we don't know yet, someone who "dies" in the second episode. Someone who "died" in the 16 months we haven't seen yet (there would have been some sort of flashback, so the player would also know that that person is supposedly dead, before we see him or her again)

    What do we really know about that scene? Just that Clem is surprised/shocked that somebody is alive who she thoguht was dead. We don't know how long ago that person "died". I don't dare telling about what relationship Clem had to that person, though many peole seem to think it's not positive. We don't know anything. So I don't rule out the possibility of it being someone we don't know yet.

    Yes but clearly they ended the trailer to episode 2 on it and i believe trailers go chronologically. Im assuming that we find out wh

  • Pete said it wasn't your common garden thug that killed the river group. That's what seems to imply it was Lily to me. Sure, she was more of a desk jockey but she'd still have better firearms training.

  • People are disliking your post because they are Kenny fanboys. Can't get away from them.

  • I can't see that happening. If you're telltale, I don't think they would make that scene such a controversial and "epic" line if it weren't from someone from season 1 but maybe your right.

    Made posted: »

    I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. I can easily imagine that's it's someone who we don't know yet, someone who "dies" in the sec

  • hahaha too true. Its fine with me. I think theres already a solid 10 threads on the main page about Kenny. I don't see the appeal but to each their own.

    UndeadEuan posted: »

    People are disliking your post because they are Kenny fanboys. Can't get away from them.

  • Not gonna lie. I barely read that. I skimmed the middle part where you said it would be a plot hole if it (the figure) were the girl who shot Omid. So in your opinion, it wouldn't be a plot hole if Kenny survived imminent death?

    1. Yes you did. The title of your point list is "Why it can't be Kenny?", also backpeddleing is hardly a point in your favor. And no, I have no desire to read 5 pages of replies to check for "amendments". You put it out there.. Deal with it.

    2. You have no idea what "actually" happened, and implication is often used to deliberately mislead in storrytelling. You seem to believe your own personal opinion and assessments somehow constitutes evidence, you are wrong. I however make no positive claims. What pisses me off about your post, isn't that I SOOO want Kenny to be alive (i don't), but rather your (original) utterly unfounded certainty based on flimsy stuff like this.

    3. You really have very little imagination (I guess that's the main problem really). It could fit just fine. Crista said that "people" are saying it's safer up north. If Kenny heard the same rumor it makes all the sense in the world that he would go. Also who says he went north by himself? it's 2 years later. Maybe he met the "bandits" down south and they traveled north together, maybe the "bandits" are the community they talk about at the end of 400 days who were actively looking for people, and if they found Kenny, then why would he not join them, then going north would never have been up to him... But I'll leave that stuff to the writers. You should do the same.

    Look, I don't find it realistic that people would turn to cannibalism after only 3 months when living on a well stocked dairy farm, but I go with it anyway cause it's f-ing fiction. Open that narrow mind of yours a little.

    Bottom line; Your arguments suck, they're just another bunch of 'SHOULD happen' (or should not in this case) and you use your fair share of CAN too with a tuckload of WOULD on top, but you are on no firmer ground than the people you scoff at for doing the same thing.

    Can people read through threads before they post? If you have it would save me retyping this every post. Firstly I know its a very

  • what if that's how sesaon two episode 2 ends? she says: I thought you were dead. and then BOOM black screen. telltale you sunofabeeyotch.

    Yes but clearly they ended the trailer to episode 2 on it and i believe trailers go chronologically. Im assuming that we find out wh

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    why do you morons keep making it seem like an old man is tyreese, just because you like kenny dont make him something hes not

    TWDIsLife posted: »

    Tyreese once fought a horde of Walkers with just merely a hammer and lived. End of.

  • lee was on a high to save clem, and he was bite lee had nothing to lose but to save his baby girl. also it was set up different

    Fangs posted: »

    Oh a "realist" playing zombie games. Give me a break. You make three point, neither of which support your theory. One has 'some'

  • edited December 2013

    Well.... Back in the pioneer West days, people often didn't die from the wounds inflicted by gunshots. They died from the infection. A hole in the abdomen from a rifle at close range + unsanitary environment + unclean clothing + no means to sanitise the wound = infection. Infection with no access to antibiotics = septicemia (blood poisoning). The woman surviving is a bigger plot hole than Kenny surviving, even if you don't want to admit it.

    You should read my post, I spend the most time going over why I think it might not be Kenny (that Clem thinks is dead. Forget about who you know from the first season that you think is the most likely to survive and go North, we really don't know anything -- other than "Kenny's fate will be explored" and Clem thought someone was dead -- and shouldn't assume much). And I'm not taking myself too seriously, unlike some of the Walking Dead authorities are.

    Not gonna lie. I barely read that. I skimmed the middle part where you said it would be a plot hole if it (the figure) were the girl who shot Omid. So in your opinion, it wouldn't be a plot hole if Kenny survived imminent death?

  • That might be the thinking behind giving Clem that exact dialogue in the cliffhanger for the first episode of season two. "They will likely assume it's a character they are familar with instead of it being a character Clem will become familiar with in the second season".

    I'm not saying "It isn't A, B, or C, so it is D." All I'm doing is taking into account what everyone says when they say "No, it isn't X because of reasons Y and Z." You could all be right about who it isn't.

    I can't see that happening. If you're telltale, I don't think they would make that scene such a controversial and "epic" line if it weren't from someone from season 1 but maybe your right.

  • What if it's Omid? Or one of the two camp members you didn't assist at the end?

    Stolenmango posted: »

    What about the girl in the beginning of season 2 episode 1?The one that shot Omid?She was gut shot,still breathing and Christa proba

  • I actually could see that happening now. Or flashing to the person it is THEN ending the episode

    what if that's how sesaon two episode 2 ends? she says: I thought you were dead. and then BOOM black screen. telltale you sunofabeeyotch.

  • I know this is shooting out of the blue, but to be honest, I thought it was Glenn, because he drove off towards Atlanta, when the radio message describing how bad the conditions are, as well as Lee mentioning how bad it was there, but it would be a joy to either see Lily or Kenny.

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