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Is Your Lee in season 1 a murderer?

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Besides killing his wife's lover before the ZA outbreak, has your Lee killed the St. Johns and Larry? Or are you trying to redeem yourself by not being a murderer for the sake of Clementine even if it cost you your friendship with Kenny

  • I killed Larry and the Stranger, that's it. I didn't see the point in killing the St. Johns, it seemed merciful rather than vengeful and Clementine wouldn't like it.

  • I killed Larry, and Danny St. John.

    What about Jolene, though? Some people killed her

    • She was pointing a crossbow at you and threatening to kill you - that's doesn't count as murder.

      I killed Larry because CPR won't revive a heart attack - it's only meant to keep the blood pumping and oxygenated until proper medical attention can be provided. I shot Jolene because I thought she was a threat to Clementine and she threatened to shoot me in the testicles, though I did feel bad when I found out why she had her mental breakdown. I spared the St Johns brothers even though I should have killed them for murdering Mark.

    • We should probably define what really counts as "murder". Is killing Jolene murder when she's pointing a crossbow at you and threatening to kill you?

      Then you could get to others such as Ben and ask if "failure to save" is the same as murder. I dropped him. Its pretty muddy whether you'd say i killed him or he killed himself.

      Whether or not helping Kenny deal with Larry was murder depends on whether he was already dead... In my opinion he was already gone.

      This all means that despite me taking quite a harsh, survivalist approach during season 1, i can argue i'm not a murderer, because the only clear cut case, the st.johns, i let live.

      • The Ben thing is murder I think. Purposefully dropping him

        • Perhaps, but then he did ask me to and made no efforts to climb up on his own. I can certainly argue that all i did was let him commit suicide. You might disagree with the decision, but it's not the same as if i'd shot him or pushed him off the tower.

          Also what about if i don't shoot the zombie grabbing him and he falls because of that while crying out for help (which is possible to do in the game). If that was a real life situation, legally i would not have committed a crime in most countries. That scenario feels way more immoral than the first one, but i'm still not a murderer, because he'd have died even if i was never there.

          Anyway i guess the main point of the OP's question was probably not the semantics of being a "murderer", but whether i made Lee always did his best to prevent death, even if the the person deserved their fate. The answer to if i did that with Larry, Ben and Jolene (i do feel i made a mistake killing her) is no.

        • I actually let him go because it looked like Lee would've been attacked had he tried to save Ben and get another character injured/killed in the process. In which case, I don't think you could consider that murder.. could you?

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    CannibalCarl BANNED

    Lee's always a murderer, even if he doesn't kill anyone, because he already killed his wife's lover.

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    UndeadEuan BANNED

    My Lee tried to redeem himself by not killing anybody; Larry could have been saved, and the St. Johns were not worth it. Clem didn't need to see that.

  • Is it still murder if they were about to murder you and the child you're protecting?

    If Clem needs to learn anything it's that some people are so far gone that they deserve to die and you shouldn't feel bad about it. She kills someone in the first 5 minutes of season 2.

    • If your talking about the guy from 400 days then I guess she killed him indirectly. Her resisting him ending up with a walker being friendly with his face.

  • It's a bit muddled for me. I can't really remember my canon playthrough. But if I'm right, I killed Larry...and the St. Johns...but I didn't kill the stranger! Clementine...did...that.

  • My Lee didn't murder anyone after the outbreak, and didn't kill Jolene in self-defence.

    If I believed in going back and doing it all again, though, I'd kill the stranger. The alternative made me feel horrible.

  • The St Johns made it hard to choose whether to spare or kill. They weren't going anywhere and leaving them to be eaten seemed like a good taste of their own medicine, Clem didn't like Lee killing them which is a huge factor. It feels wrong and kind of freaky to leave them though. They know where the Motor Inn is yet the group stay there? Knowing there's bandits in the area and the St Johns may be out there?

  • Not a murderer , a survivor.. :)

  • Killed Danny St. John and Campman.

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