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    It's the most realistic direction. Lee told her to not trust anyone and she's gonna do whatever she has to do to survive.

  • Yeah, I do agree that it is kind of a reverse ' Larry/Lee situation ', but I don't think that Clementine is taking up a villainous role.

    • True and besides, the part with Rebecca is totally up to the player. Hell, I didn't even ask whose baby it was, I chose the 'Luke invited me to stay' option. I guess in the end, it's just a matter of how you play your Clem. Plus, thanks for the comment!

    • Because blackmail, killing dogs, and insulting people behind their backs is so heroic.

      • Almost as heroic as threatening a guilt-ridden teenager, shooting a small child in the head, and leaving a screaming woman behind as bait to be torn apart by zombies.

        • Ooohhh... Dome, I should've never told you what I did on my canon playthrough... Though I didn't shoot the woman...

          Anyways, the child is somewhat heroic, as it allows the shooter to alleviate the pain from another man. Other than that, those are all the un-heroic choices. Thing is, they have heroic ones to balance them. Clem can save one life, but even then, she's still destroyed more than she's saved.

          • Anyways, the child is somewhat heroic, as it allows the shooter to alleviate the pain from another man.

            Oh, right. The killing was done to alleviate another's suffering. How silly of me to omit such a crucial contextual detail, thereby making an act of mercy sound villainous.

            Other than that, those are all the un-heroic choices.

            Faaaaar from it. Or have you forgotten those "Scumbag Lee" playthroughs?

            Clem can save one life, but even then, she's still destroyed more than she's saved.

            Clem hasn't destroyed anything through the actions she took. Lee, on the other hand, neglected his wife and then killed a guy in front of her. Like, directly killed him. Not just "he left his gun somewhere and someone else used it to shoot someone."

            • I see what you did there, Dome.

              I didn't mean ALL of them, just all in these situations.

              And then Lee proceeded to save all of the people in his group (more or less) at one point or another.

              • Well, then let's give Clem a few more points at which to save people before we make a judgment. She's had less than an hour of screen time with her new group, most of which was spent actively avoiding any interactions with them.

                • She's had plenty. 6 episodes? More than what Lee had. And he spent one of those DYING. So far, she's maybe saved Molly (she may survive if Clem doesn't save her), maybe saved Christa and can save Pete. Other than that, nothing. She gets Omid Lee and kenny killed, so that already brings it to 0, then there's MORE.

                  Anyways, my computer's dying and I have school tomorrow, so goodnight, Dome ^_^

            • Hey now, I disagree with the last part you said. We don't know what caused the relationship to end with Lee only that he wanted to start a family and thought that his wife traveling around would not make it possible.
              You call a man killing another man for sleeping with his wife AT HIS HOUSE a scumbag moment?! Lee didn't want to kill him, he said so, but his rage took over. He even regrets that moment.
              In other words that Pete would have said, "What would you have done?"

  • She's not the villain, but to the group Clem is definitely a burden and an outsider, at least for the moment. Not only is she another mouth to feed, her existence potentially destabilizes the dynamics of this group which, from what we've been shown, has been far better at handling the apocalypse than any other group we've seen so far.

    Even one episode in, her character already raises conflicting interests for the group: Luke and Alvin want to look out for her, Rebecca wants to kick her out; Sarah wants to befriend her, Carlos wants her to stay away from Sarah. So as unpleasant as Rebecca may have been, she was probably right--Clem is probably going nothing but trouble for them.

    • And this is not what I tried to make Clementine be. Goddammit, Clementine. Also, she's a villain if you make her one.

    • People around her do tend to die.... RIP S1 cast....

    • Trouble? I think the only person who is going to make trouble is Rebecca.She's the only person who has a problem with Clem, and i think that Rebecca will put the whole group in danger because she's stupid. I understand that she's pregnant but she shouldn't treat her like that. And i think that Clem will be accepted as a new group member because Clem isn't a person who don't want to help, she will be helping a lot, just wait for it. :)
      Guys just give her some time, that was the first episode.

  • You gotta consider that spending two whole years with a cold, distant, cynical Christa has got to have had an effect on Clem's psyche.
    The very first sentence of Clementine after the time skip is her begging Christa to break the ice and talk to her a bit. That gives us some idea of their relashionship during their time together.

    I mean, it'd been two years since Omid and their baby died, and Christa was still acting so bitter and hopeless towards Clementine and their general situation. The slightest mention of Omid, Lee or their current situation or future and Christa starts acting all passive agressive.

    Clem was pretty much raised by Christa for a looong time, so it's understandable that a bit of Christa's pessimistic, cynical personality might have gotten to her.

    Telltale rushed the Christa / Omid part so much that people seem to have been forgetting that Christa raised Clementine on her own for years.

    • I never realized this before now. That 20 second scene conveys a hell of a lot went down after that time skip. Like most scenes in Telltales TWD I guess, you really have to pay attention and think about ALL the implications, there's usually more than one. I guess at the time I was distracted by the implication of Christa's baby being dead, and I figured that Clem was just down about the baby and Omid still. But yeah, embittered and cynical Christa looking after you for 2 years, just as much out of duty to the two friends who's death Clem had indirectly caused as out of care for Clem herself, that will change you all right. Considering Clem probably felt immensely guilty about both Omid, the baby, (who probably died due to Omid not being there), Lee, Ben, and Kenny, and had no-one to talk about to it but Christa, who was completely emotionally closed off, as seen from the campfire scene. DAMN. Clem must have a mountain unresolved guilt locked away in there somewhere. Not to mention not having anyone to talk to about her parents...

  • She can be a villain if you want her to, not regardless of your actions. Omid's death was an accident and breaking into the house an act of desperation. The rest of the bad things she does are your choice. She is colder and more cynical than S1 Clem and she'll probably have to make some tough decisions, but if you play as "nice Clem" she's far from my definition of a villain.

    • All in all, I'd have to agree. I view her as a survivor. Everything she does, she does to survive. The point I was trying to make with this thread is to also explore the other side of things just to get a different picture and hopefully someone might agree.

      Also, nice name.

  • You do what you have to.

  • Clem is doing whatever she has to in order to survive...

    Which is what Lee would've wanted

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    She is growing up Man , You'd think at some point she had to , She has seen members of his group being forced to kill one of their own to survive , She's been minutes away from being eaten by people , She almlst died at least 10 times in Season 1 and now everyone she ever trusted is gone , Welcome to the apocalypse Clemmy !

    • Well if the 'mysterious returning character' in episode two's trailer is from season one, then let's hope it's someone that she trusts.

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        Only If its Kenny , Because I don't think she trusts Lilly after what she pulled , Well maybe Molly but the only who's been there with day one with her is ken

        • I'm still trying to figure out if there's anyone that she even knew other than Lee, Kenny, and Lily that could make their appearance in Episode 2.

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            Well Vernon but she has no reason to believe he is dead , Victor would make sense, The Stranger is dead , I mean theres a reason 99% of the people choose someone out of Lee,Kenny, Molly, Lilly and Victor , Nobody else makes much sense

            • Definitely possible, but I don't think she really* knew* them. At least not enough to recognize them. I thought that she only saw Vernon though, seeing as he was the only one to enter the mansion from the cancer group (aside from Brie).

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                Yeah She Knew Vernon and well Brie Clem just saw her for a few moments ( unless you took her to crawford) Vernon could be a possibility but Clem wouldn't think he died , Christa probably told her he stole the boat and they never saw him again so take that fir what its worth, but for now the list of people that make sense is looking pretty short , Agree?

          • Lee is deader than Horus, no way he's making it back. Regardless of the ending you picked, telltale puts Lee's 'death rattle' at the end, immediately after fading (or flashing if Clem shoots Lee) the screen to black to confirm it to the player. That must of been hard for Dave Fennoy to record, considering he and Melissa Hutchison said they had to take breaks from recording every now and then throughout the making of episode 5 because of all of the emotion.

        • I want it to be Kenny more, but I would still love it to be Lilly (or at some point see her) so Clem can call her shit out on killing Carley or Doug/trying to kill Ben. Remember that in season 1, Clementine really likes Carley, Doug, and Ben if they survive, and she see's Lilly kill and attempt to kill them right in front of her. Just realized. That child saw an adult she respected get their head blown off right in front of her. Damn. Like Lee and Katjaa said, the girl is difficult to read, her mind is like a puzzle. Clementine does tend to shut down communication when she is upset as seen in season 1, so yeah Clementine expressing her feelings to anyone is sadly unlikely.

  • I don't see clem as the Villain, what i see, is someone who has lost everything, struggleing against the tide that is this dark world, she has got to do whatever it takes to survive. Sure, she has made mistakes, we all do, its a fact of life. The fact is no matter what she does, we "the player" are gonna do everything in our power to help her, and keep her safe and guide her. We will stand by her side no matter what, at whatever cost. Why you ask? because its what Lee would have done, and none of us want lees sacrifices to be invain.

    So no, i don't see her as a villain, i see her as someone who is living amid the ruins of this world, a world where there is no going back, and soon, no time left, the dead walk around every corner, and its more important now then ever to not trust anyone.

    That, is why i don't see clem as a villain, but if she is anything, she is the last good thing that was brought into this world, and we have to make sure she survives, for as long as possible, not just becuase we like her, but for lee, and everything he has done, we can't let his sacrifices be for nothing, we can't.

  • How'd you get that profile pic? ( sorry off topic)

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