The Walking Dead Season 2 Predictions/Theory Thread (New: A House Divided Trailer Analysis)

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  • Not to kiss your delicious ass too much, but all of those points are pretty good. The Fan art is a bit anime/not grimdark enough for me though. The author missed the scarring on Clems face (Clementine has a lot of extra jagged etching on her face). It's a bit unrealistic for me overall.
    I like the main feature of Telltale's artistry is that it feels really realistic. They look like real people.

    But yeah, I came up with the 'Eddie as the wise guide' idea a while ago, it's good to see some other people are seeing some of the hints dropped in the episode 4 slide. Seems to be that all the shadowed characters play less of a role (or die) and Eddie and Clementine are the major actors in that episode. It's reinforced when you realize how much of a good person Eddie is. Eddie is much more likely to go look for the cop, and when he does, he doesn't leave the cop when Wyatt drives off. (Wyatt drops the cop and runs) Eddie will only let Wyatt go search for the cop if Wyatt loses the game of chance. Wyatt overall wants to just go (most conversation options possible lean that way), whereas Eddie stops the car and forces them to look for the cop. I'm pretty sure Eddie goes back to look for Wyatt in the car if Eddie drives off in his ending slide, and it shows Nate's car behind him. Either way, I'm pretty sure Eddie's good nature gets him caught by Nate, and Nate's inconsistent nature is what allows Eddie to survive until he enters Clementine's story. Let me put it this way, if Eddie was willing to put himself at risk to save a complete stranger who may or may not be alive, What would he be willing to do to protect Clementine?

    Zyphon posted: »

    Since Telltale clearly will do more Seasons past this current one, I think I should share my thoughts on how the evolution of certai

  • TL:DR Eddie was my favorite character in 400 days. EDDIE CONFIRMED SEASON 2:

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    Qipoi posted: »

    Not to kiss your delicious ass too much, but all of those points are pretty good. The Fan art is a bit anime/not grimdark enough for

  • Look closely and you can even see his chin piercing, Eddie confirmed guide for Clem season 2 indeed. I hope he lasts though, and doesn't have to sacrifice himself like Chuck does.

    Qipoi posted: »

    TL:DR Eddie was my favorite character in 400 days. EDDIE CONFIRMED SEASON 2:

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    I never thought of Carver as anything other than a surname. Like Steve Carver. Hadn't thought of it as Carver in the sense that he... Carves people?

    I'm not sure that Steve would be Carver, because of a few things. Why would Steve go North? He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd want a safe zone. Sarah is much younger than Russell, and at the time of 400 Days, would've been even younger, so I don't think that that fits. Someone pointed out on that thread that they met Carver before getting to the cabin, and that they were hiding from Carver in the cabin. You hear this if you listen to the kitchen conversation all the way through.

    Qipoi posted: »

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/comment/945111#Comment_945111 I'll link this again. The thing is Viva, Carve

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    I get that the fan-art isn't realistic in the actual style, but I did put it there for a reason. It doesn't portray Clementine as being a useless child later on, but neither does it portray her as being just a "badass" either. All the fanart of Clem with dozen of weapons and covered in blood don't appeal to me, this piece of art does because I think that eventually, Clem will be capable of protecting herself, but won't be a character like Michonne, Daryl, Jesus, etc. That is, boring "badass" characters(not to say that any of those characters are boring, but let's face it, Daryl and Michonne wouldn't be nearly as popular if it weren't for their weapons. Jesus... Well... I don't want to say anything bad about him because he's just awesome, but still).

    And I believe that Wyatt can choose to help the man on the ground if he goes. In fact, I know that he can because that's what I did.

    I think that ultimately, we'll be left with a choice to save either Eddie or Bonnie in Episode 4 or 5, because they really are just the male and female counterparts of each other with a couple differences in their demeanor. Differences in the story from there would probably be minor, but it would be a good chance for some branching, and it would be a really difficult choice(I think I might choose Bonnie if Wyatt dies, but if Wyatt is still alive, I think I'd save Eddie. In some ways I want this to be a choice, and in others... I really just don't want anyone to die q_q).

    Qipoi posted: »

    Not to kiss your delicious ass too much, but all of those points are pretty good. The Fan art is a bit anime/not grimdark enough for

  • edited January 2014

    I just know that if if comes down to a Carley/Doug situation, Eddie will be shouting at Clementine to save Bonnie/Wyatt. I'd probably save Eddie though.

    But yeah good point about the art. I do like it more than the other 'Clementine grown up' artworks, so yeah, to me it does seem more realistic than those showing Clementine posing fearlessly completely strapped with guns. Those are stupid, and miss the premise of TWD and Clementine's character: She's a real, ordinary person, who fears and suffers and fails just like the rest of us. Speaking of favorite artwork:

    http://mizumihisui.deviantart.com/art/We-Had-a-Good-Run-339305560

    http://konekokisses.deviantart.com/art/Clementine-Lee-The-Walking-Dead-368221023

    http://kopfstoff.deviantart.com/art/grand-finale-340230853

    You mind telling me what you think about my opinions I put forward in this thread?

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/57801/musical-callbacks-for-season-2-spoilers

    Zyphon posted: »

    I get that the fan-art isn't realistic in the actual style, but I did put it there for a reason. It doesn't portray Clementine as be

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    Qipoi posted: »

    Look closely and you can even see his chin piercing, Eddie confirmed guide for Clem season 2 indeed. I hope he lasts though, and doesn't have to sacrifice himself like Chuck does.

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    I've seen some of that art before, I really liked a lot of it, although my personal favorite Walking Dead art is done by Keterok on DeviantART.

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    Qipoi posted: »

    I just know that if if comes down to a Carley/Doug situation, Eddie will be shouting at Clementine to save Bonnie/Wyatt. I'd probabl

  • Well, look at all the snow in Atlanta right now. I betcha that without all the
    cars and stuff, it wouldn't be Hotlanta anymore.

    Zyphon posted: »

    Yeah, the buildings did look a bit big for it to be Wellington, but they are pretty far away from Georgia, so while it could be a bi

  • Still, what reason would they have for going back to Georgia? It's probably a different city.

    Well, look at all the snow in Atlanta right now. I betcha that without all the cars and stuff, it wouldn't be Hotlanta anymore.

  • I didn't need you to link it again, I saw it the first time.

    Carver is the name of a man, good or bad isn't implied by the name. The Governor, a title reserved for upstanding people willing to lead those who are will follow them, usually a person with good intentions. Obviously this name was twisted (in the TV series at least) and perverted, names are a very bad thing to judge a person by especially after the world itself has changed so immensely. I see what his name could imply, and while most of them are bad (from who''s perspective again?) others are mild in manner and one I can think of off the top of my head is completely harmless. I understand how the numbers work and the theory of the cabin group being Russel's old group (or part of it) but I stated somewhere else in this terrific mess of a thread you, me, and Zyphon have made my reasons for why I don't really believe the theory as true. I think all this made sense, I'm a bit out of it atm.

    Qipoi posted: »

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/comment/945111#Comment_945111 I'll link this again. The thing is Viva, Carve

  • Our art swapping is building the rails... Alt text

    I wish Telltale elaborated more on Kenny's relationship with Clem, but I get why they didn't, Kenny grew to feel like Clem was family because she was his sons best friend, and (potentially) his best friends ward.

    Zyphon posted: »

    I've seen some of that art before, I really liked a lot of it, although my personal favorite Walking Dead art is done by Keterok on DeviantART.

  • edited January 2014

    Ohh zyphon Can I make a prediction?

    Sarah will completely shut down in episode 3, she will go catatonic, this will likely kill her, (you already made this point I think)

    Becca (Chels young sister, 400 days) later on will have become extremely pragmatic to the degree of group minded sociopathy(we see cracks in her psyche in 400 days), Clementine will have to kill her to defend herself in episode 4, when shit hits the fan.

    These two child characters and their development are very good foils for Clementine. They both show how children in a similar situation to Clementine have been psychologically destroyed by the apocalypse, their minds flung to two different extremes of thought. This reminds us and makes us fearful of the other potent dangers to Clementine in the apocalypse: Insanity and amorality.

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    Perhaps it will be elaborated over the rest of the Season.

    Also, more art!

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    Qipoi posted: »

    Our art swapping is building the rails... I wish Telltale elaborated more on Kenny's relationship with Clem, but I get why they

  • edited January 2014

    I don't see Sarah becoming a psychopath. I think that two things will happen with her.

    One, she becomes like Sophia in the comics, and partially shuts down, eventually returning to normal sometime in Season 3 after dealing with Carlos' death(maybe Clem will help her through it if they are close friends, or harshly tell her to grow up if she doesn't like Sarah that much).

    Two, she'll end up like Carol in the comics and

    (SPOILER)

    will eventually kill herself.

    Either way, I just don't see her becoming dangerous, maybe she'll let herself get eaten by a walker, turn, and Clem will kill her. Still, the impacts that you thought up of if this did happen were pretty good. Maybe we will get a situation like that, but with a different character? It not impossible that it would happen with Sarah though, really I guess we have only known her as Clementine for a couple of minutes.

    EDIT: Now my previous comment doesn't make to much sense. In short, I agree with you. Although her name in Shel, not Chel.

    Qipoi posted: »

    Ohh zyphon Can I make a prediction? Sarah will completely shut down in episode 3, she will go catatonic, this will likely kill he

  • I think that could be an option, After she loses her Dad you can choose to comfort and help her toughen up as a friend or harshly tell her that she needs to wake up and grow the fuck up, I think whenever she dies its gonna be a heroic death, However I dont think shes gonna commit suicide, Also We are all expecting Carlos to die but what if Telltale throws a curveball and is Sarah the one who dies

    Zyphon posted: »

    I don't see Sarah becoming a psychopath. I think that two things will happen with her. One, she becomes like Sophia in the comics

  • Well, they're in North Carolina (IMO in the panhandle somewhere), so while Georgia is a long ways off, we have four episodes to get there. Anyway, who knows?

    Zyphon posted: »

    Still, what reason would they have for going back to Georgia? It's probably a different city.

  • I never really thought of that, because it's already planted the seeds of the "Sarah isn't ready for this world" kind of storyline, and I feel like Carlos' death will be the one to spark that storyline.

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    I think that could be an option, After she loses her Dad you can choose to comfort and help her toughen up as a friend or harshly te

  • Well, we don't really, because in the previews that they're still heading North. :/

    Well, they're in North Carolina (IMO in the panhandle somewhere), so while Georgia is a long ways off, we have four episodes to get there. Anyway, who knows?

  • I agree, Besides i find it hard to believe Telltale is gonna Kill her an ignorant little girl, If they don't make her grow up throught the game they would be missing a big part of the storyline

    Zyphon posted: »

    I never really thought of that, because it's already planted the seeds of the "Sarah isn't ready for this world" kind of storyline, and I feel like Carlos' death will be the one to spark that storyline.

  • Wouldn't it be amazing if Telltale actually read these ideas and used some of them for further episodes? I think these are excellent predictions. Good job!

    Zyphon posted: »

    Thanks. i'm not sure that it would be sadder than Lee dying, but I think that it would be a pretty good end to the Season.

  • I totally agree! I instantly thought of Victor. But my second guess was Lilly because before she left S1(my game) these words appeared "You told Lilly you would go with her" then she ditches you in the RV. But before I let her drive away she says go get Clementine so she can get away. If she is going to come back S2 now would be the time! After ditching Lee she may feel a certain sense of guilt after being told Lee died by Clementine. So now she may feel responsible for not taking Lee and Clem with her. So now in my play through if she returns she may feel responsible for Lee's death and will take care of Clementine to release her guilt.

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    Since people dont seem to wanna share their thoughts im gonna share mine, Im going out on a limp here and say the person thats gonna

  • I missplaced a 400 days name, but I meant that SARAH Becomes catatonic or kills herself, BECCA (Chells sister, 400 days) turns psychopath or at least WInston level pragmatic.

    Zyphon posted: »

    I don't see Sarah becoming a psychopath. I think that two things will happen with her. One, she becomes like Sophia in the comics

  • EDIT: my mistake was that I called Becca Chel. My bad. Chel is Beccas older sister, Chel is in her low teens and is becomeing hardened and uncaring to cope with the apocalypse.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catatonia#Subtypes There are a colourful variety of ways Catatonia can manifest, but it's usually looks like a disbelief in reality, the person stops functioning. Carlos may actually be right about what he said about Sarah if her disability makes her more susceptible to Catatonia.

    Sarah seems to cope by ignoring the apocalypse, hence Catatonia (where the person just curls up and loses their grip on reality).

    Catatonia is where you just sort of mentally shut down and can't function as a person. EG Curl into a ball and start saying "No..." over and over again.
    It's usually caused by a person not being able to cope with the amount of shock and grief that caused the Catatonia. In Kirkman's world it would be a death sentence, either for you or the people you are burdening, then you.

    As you can see Catatonia or suicide seem like likely responses for Sarah if she can't cope.

    For example one of Lee's deaths in season one is where he fails to save Clementine (she dies) in the motor inn, then just sort of closes his eyes, falls on his knees repeating "No..." and lets the zombies behind him tear out his throat.

    Qipoi posted: »

    I missplaced a 400 days name, but I meant that SARAH Becomes catatonic or kills herself, BECCA (Chells sister, 400 days) turns psychopath or at least WInston level pragmatic.

  • Duck disagrees.

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    I agree, Besides i find it hard to believe Telltale is gonna Kill her an ignorant little girl, If they don't make her grow up throught the game they would be missing a big part of the storyline

  • Sarah won't become a psychopath, I communicated it poorly maybe?

    TL:DR Sarah will shut down and stop functioning. (CARLOS WAS RIGHT)

    BECCA (400days chells sister who is leaning that way) Will develop into Winston level sociopathic pragmatism.

    Zyphon posted: »

    I don't see Sarah becoming a psychopath. I think that two things will happen with her. One, she becomes like Sophia in the comics

  • edited January 2014

    Okay, now I agree totally. Perhaps in Season 3 depending on how you play Clementine(Survivalist or Humanist(?)), then that determines who Clementine's friend would be. If Clem is a bit more of a survivalist, then she'll relate more with Becca, but if she's a bit more of a humanist(still not sure that's the right word), then she'll relate more to Sarah, and help her out of her catatonic state after Carlos' possible death.

    Qipoi posted: »

    EDIT: my mistake was that I called Becca Chel. My bad. Chel is Beccas older sister, Chel is in her low teens and is becomeing harden

  • Yeah, I really hope that Telltale does some branching with her personality. If she stole the RV, then she'd be remorseful, but if she was left to die(my playthrough), then she wouldn't necessarily care.

  • I don't mind getting down votes, but could the people giving them please tell me why you disagree, so we can discuss it? I don't mind people telling me that I am wrong, but I just like to have a chance to change their mind or have my mind changed about a topic.

    Qipoi posted: »

    Sarah won't become a psychopath, I communicated it poorly maybe? TL:DR Sarah will shut down and stop functioning. (CARLOS WAS RIGHT) BECCA (400days chells sister who is leaning that way) Will develop into Winston level sociopathic pragmatism.

  • @Zyphon: I forgot the 5 down vote troll barrier. Silly me.

    Qipoi posted: »

    I don't mind getting down votes, but could the people giving them please tell me why you disagree, so we can discuss it? I don't min

  • Aww yeah. I just want a Nate gif now (with crazy eyes for extra awesome) and I shall achieve true happiness.

  • Saltlick, you seem to be forgetting that the world of the Walking Dead doesn't like heroic deaths, people instead tend to die screaming and in agony, or instantly and coldy. Point in case, Shaun, Ben, Mark, Katjaa, Duck, Christa, Omid, Carley and Doug, they all died like normal people, pointlessly, and due to unfortunate circumstance or bad judgement by another, rather than any decision of their own. (I will agree that I found Doug's death rather heroic, but he didn't plan on that bullet hitting him, he was trying to pull Ben and then himself out of the way.)

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    I think that could be an option, After she loses her Dad you can choose to comfort and help her toughen up as a friend or harshly te

  • As an extention to the idea of the 'Sarah isn't ready for the world' storyline, I would like to remind those who think Sarah isn't going to die or go insane of the fact that The world of the Walking Dead doesn't care if you are ready for it or not. It's a fact that the writers like to remind us about on occasion, I believe Sarah will be that occasion.

    On a less abstract note, The world of the walking dead (Comic/game Cannon) primarily operates off of reality: weaker characters die off very fast without other characters dedicated to protecting them, and often do even when people are focused on protecting them. Carl for example nearly dies when he is weak and becomes strong as a result, hence why he is still around.

    Season 2 Clementine is actually a moderately powerful person on the character power spectrum: like Rick and formerly Lee, she has bravery, willpower, intelligence, and quick thinking. Clementine might not have any physical strength and may be immature at times, hence why she is moderately powerful like Alvin or Mark, but not strong like Lee or Rick, who have all of these positive traits.

    With Luke or another strong character looking out for her, (I would classify as a strong character but we don't know a lot about him) it is logically reasonable that Clementine might survive season 2.

    Sarah and Rebecca however are Weak with a Moderate strength characters taking care of them, so it is reasonable that they will more than likely die in the season.

    TL:DR the only reason why there are so few people but so many bad asses in the walking dead universe by the two year mark in season 2, is because most of the weaklings like me would be dead. The weak characters who are still alive are only alive by the grace of their protectors, and if the weaker character doesn't develop immensely into a moderate or strong character (like Clem) before their protector or leader dies, they will likely suffer the same fate.

    Overall, Winston was on the same power level as Clementine: therfore, due to lucky circumstance (walkers), Clementine was able to escape him.

    Zyphon posted: »

    I never really thought of that, because it's already planted the seeds of the "Sarah isn't ready for this world" kind of storyline, and I feel like Carlos' death will be the one to spark that storyline.

  • Trolls. That is all the answer that is needed.

    Qipoi posted: »

    I don't mind getting down votes, but could the people giving them please tell me why you disagree, so we can discuss it? I don't min

  • Yeah, it generally works by the rule of the more important the character is, the more brutal their death scene is.

    Qipoi posted: »

    Saltlick, you seem to be forgetting that the world of the Walking Dead doesn't like heroic deaths, people instead tend to die scream

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    Now that we're getting further into the timeline, I hope we meet some characters that are very high on the "power spectrum", as you put it. For example, someone like Jesus. Or, we might even meet Jesus since Telltale's is still about a year and a half before the comics, and we don't really know when Jesus joined the Hilltop. Although, he'd probably be called Paul if we meet him in Telltale's.

    Qipoi posted: »

    As an extention to the idea of the 'Sarah isn't ready for the world' storyline, I would like to remind those who think Sarah isn't g

  • I played it again, if you help her, then she actually manages to get to the edge of the clearing before you hear the shot, so maybe she gets away(in the scenario at least)?

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    I agree, would make interesting conversation with her later if you caused her injury, and even if you did try to help maybe get some

  • edited February 2014

    Having replayed the episode today, I can give another piece of evidence to disprove this theory. The theory says that the "cop" was the one that bit Nick's mom, right? Well, when Nick and Luke tell you about this, they say that they took someone new in that already had a bit, and they say that SHE turned and bit Nick's mom, while Russell refers to the cop as HE.

    Qipoi posted: »

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/comment/945111#Comment_945111 I'll link this again. The thing is Viva, Carve

  • Interesting. It could be that we will see the cop guy later in Carver's group though. Either way conisdering he described them in detail, it is likely they will show up at some point in season 2.

    Zyphon posted: »

    Having replayed the episode today, I can give another piece of evidence to disprove this theory. The theory says that the "cop" was

  • (for anyone who doesn't know the comics, Jesus is a character who is called that by the other characters because he has a Jesus beard, and he has a lot of diplomatic and heroic traits. His actual name is Paul Monroe.)

    I'm not actually sure but didn't Telltale show us with the licence plate that Clementine is really far away from where Rick and Jesus and those characters have been? I know that Paul travels a lot to recruit people, but still.

    Zyphon posted: »

    Now that we're getting further into the timeline, I hope we meet some characters that are very high on the "power spectrum", as you

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