Will Telltale ever make a game that has its own universe and is not a spin-off or a prequel

edited February 2014 in The Wolf Among Us

**Ok I'm mainly only talking about The Walking Dead and The Wolf Among Us.

I think if The Wolf Among Us was not a prequel to the comics it would give the writers at Telltale more creative freedom and they wouldn't have to worry about messing up the canon of the comics.

For example:

In The Wolf Among Us we will never see a romance between Bigby and Snow because that would go against the comics, we are never going to capture Ichabod Crane because when the comics started he was still in hiding away from Fabletown. We will never get to take down or kill Bluebeard because again he has to be alive and well for the comics to work and many other stuff we will not be able to do because it may go against the comics canon and worst of all we won't get many (Or maybe any more) seasons out of The Wolf Among Us because the comics has to start for the time-line to work.

Same thing goes for The Walking Dead:

We where never able to persuade Glenn to stay with us because of the comics. We where not able to kill Lilly for what she did because she needed to be alive for the comics. We will never be able to go to wood-bury and meet The Governor because of the comics.

Really its annoying that TV gets its own Walking Dead universe and lets the writers at HBO have all the creative freedom and look how successful that show is. Imagine what they could do with a RPG of Fables and The Walking dead.

I really think that The Wolf Among us and TellTale's The Walking Dead should be in its own universe and have its own continuity giving us the player the freedom to Role play and maybe wind up changing events that happened in the comics like saving people who where meant to die or killing a character who actually lived in the comics.

PLEASE NOTE: I don't hate the comics i think their great i just think that the video game versions should have its own continuity like how The Walking Dead comics and The Walking Dead TV show both have their own continuity.

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  • Really? No opinions?

  • I agree, there's no reason to make the games canon, exept to atract the TWD and TWAU fanbase.

  • It's more fun if they're canon. I like realising that Lee and Clem are out there when reading TWD comic and vice versa with Rick and Carl when playing the game. It makes the universe they take place in bigger than just those characters we know

  • I think it's fine.The games being spin-offs,i mean.Why do they really need to make an original story?I mean,the games are pretty original themselves,but,you know...

  • edited February 2014

    This.

    I want the worlds I already know to be built upon. I don't want some "elseworld" crap. I wouldn't even be playing TWAU if it wasn't linked to the comic. Same goes for the Game of Thrones game they are working on.

    Kryik posted: »

    It's more fun if they're canon. I like realising that Lee and Clem are out there when reading TWD comic and vice versa with Rick and Carl when playing the game. It makes the universe they take place in bigger than just those characters we know

  • I really like the games to be more RPG you know like Mass Effect but you can't since the devs constantly have to build their story from a comic. So your choices in The Wolf Among us does not matter. I would like to play throw the hole of Bigby's life and make choices that may change the events of the comics.

    Phyre posted: »

    I think it's fine.The games being spin-offs,i mean.Why do they really need to make an original story?I mean,the games are pretty original themselves,but,you know...

  • edited February 2014

    Yeah,i know.Me,too.Sometimes...Sometimes it would just make more sense if they made their own universe.Then,we could tailor Bigby's personality and life...

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    I really like the games to be more RPG you know like Mass Effect but you can't since the devs constantly have to build their story f

  • edited February 2014

    I think it's fine that they're canon. I don't really see the problem, and in fact, I kind of like it in some situations. For example, Shawn's death in Telltale's. Sure, we weren't able to prevent it because he was supposed to die, but it was still pretty cool that we finally got to know what happened to him.

  • But you would know that anyway even if its not canon difference being is that you would have a chance of meeting them may even join their group. I find it unfair that comics and TV both gets their own continuity but video games gets treated like a lesser medium.

    You also said that it makes the universe bigger and i strongly disagree because or low they are their you will never meet them and the choices you make in-game won't affect them so really they might as well not even be their.

    Kryik posted: »

    It's more fun if they're canon. I like realising that Lee and Clem are out there when reading TWD comic and vice versa with Rick and Carl when playing the game. It makes the universe they take place in bigger than just those characters we know

  • We already know what happened to him in the comics he died. I think it would have been better if we could save him and it would be interesting to see how that changes the story.

    Zyphon posted: »

    I think it's fine that they're canon. I don't really see the problem, and in fact, I kind of like it in some situations. For example

  • edited February 2014

    Okay, bad example. But what about if Vince really does turn out to be Glenn's brother(we know that Glenn was involved in some semi-shady things in the comics when he tells Rick he knows how to hotwire a car), that would be pretty cool for it to be canon. Also, since Telltale has promised more crossovers, we might get more cool things like Glenn and Hershel. Personally, I think it's great that they're building on the world, but I do see your point. I would've liked Glenn to stay, or at least had the option. Still, at the moment, I think I prefer them being canon.

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    We already know what happened to him in the comics he died. I think it would have been better if we could save him and it would be interesting to see how that changes the story.

  • I think it would attract their fanbase even if it weren't part of the same continuity. The TV series of The Walking Dead had no problem getting the comic fans on board infact i think the TV show is more popular than the comics now.

    I agree, there's no reason to make the games canon, exept to atract the TWD and TWAU fanbase.

  • Fair enough maybe another video game developer like Bioware or Obsidian can make the full blown RPGs of TWD and TWAU in their own canon while telltale continues building the comic book world.

    Zyphon posted: »

    Okay, bad example. But what about if Vince really does turn out to be Glenn's brother(we know that Glenn was involved in some semi-s

  • That would actually be pretty cool.

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    Fair enough maybe another video game developer like Bioware or Obsidian can make the full blown RPGs of TWD and TWAU in their own canon while telltale continues building the comic book world.

  • edited August 2014

    @Prince_Charming

    Really? Because I'm sure after/if they make a Fables movie or TV show that will be based on the comics but will have its own continuity and after that someone most likely will make a game in its own universe than after that i think the movie or tv show and the video game may become more popular than the comics like how the Walking Dead TV show has become more popular than the Walking Dead comics.

    Really making a Fable AAA RPG like game in its own universe is i think great for the Fable franchise and the comics will always be their.

    This. I want the worlds I already know to be built upon. I don't want some "elseworld" crap. I wouldn't even be playing TWAU if it wasn't linked to the comic. Same goes for the Game of Thrones game they are working on.

  • Telltale is combining its stuff with other universes. They have to remain within said-universe because they don't own it, and to make things change a part of the future of the universe would restrict the original author. I think it would be interesting seeing TellTale have their own world, but It would bring less newer players because I'm sure TWD comic and tv series fans who loved the game would be likely to play other TellTale products. Make something original, and the success depends on either you or the quality. Make something a part of some other larger thing, and it's success depends more on publicity of the series being used as a source.

  • That would miss the point of these stories and the reason these games are made at all. After, what's great about The Wolf Among Us is that expands the Fables universe. You are also wrong about them not being able to do more seasons, after all the Fables have been around for centuries, there would be plenty to work with and they have other Fables they can Focus.

    Besides, if it wasn't in continuity, the game wouldn't have been made at all.

  • So basically, you don't want to play as Big by, but a new character. If you don't like adaptations, don't play them and these aren't RPGs. And our choices in the Wolf Among Us do matter, there are plenty of characters in the game who do not know what their fate will be.

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    I really like the games to be more RPG you know like Mass Effect but you can't since the devs constantly have to build their story f

  • The fact that the game is being used as canon means that it isn't being viewed as a lesser medium. It's viewed important enough to be part of the comic's canon. And if you feel so strongly about this just don't play these games. You already said you prefer RPGs, so it seems adventure games are not your thing.

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    But you would know that anyway even if its not canon difference being is that you would have a chance of meeting them may even join

  • edited February 2014

    absolutely no,I don't want a story that will ruin an existing lore,if you want that kind of stuff I suggest browse fanfiction.net instead,but I'm fine if telltale making a completely different story if it's from their own original lore creation though,not based on any existing one

  • I admit it'd be great to add Glenn, Hershel and others into the group but I'm unsure if this is the game for it. It makes the universe bigger in that we see hints about them but we don't meet them. It'd be brilliant to see Lee meet Rick, compare their personalities and leadership roles but I like the stories being separate and canon

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    But you would know that anyway even if its not canon difference being is that you would have a chance of meeting them may even join

  • I think it's mainly because the TellTale staff like to work on things that they alrady know and love. In the Making of the Walking Dead game video they say that the comics were read by some members of the staff, and it provided them with a template. Same goes for Fables. I guess it's more to do with an established template and story that anything else. A totally new story/universe from TellTale could be great, but it's more effective and appealing in my opinion to have them build a game around an established story, so there's less time needed to explain the situation and is more relate-able to the player

  • Yes i want to play as Bigby i said that in my comment and the choices don't really matter because it will always come down to the same thing.

    BullseyeRey posted: »

    So basically, you don't want to play as Big by, but a new character. If you don't like adaptations, don't play them and these aren't

  • Fair enough.

    Kryik posted: »

    I admit it'd be great to add Glenn, Hershel and others into the group but I'm unsure if this is the game for it. It makes the univer

  • Just because i like one genre better than another does not mean i can't like the other.

    BullseyeRey posted: »

    The fact that the game is being used as canon means that it isn't being viewed as a lesser medium. It's viewed important enough to b

  • You can still make a game out of continuity. Just look at the Batman Arkham games their not part of the new 52 comics and their possible the most successful comic book video games ever.

    BullseyeRey posted: »

    That would miss the point of these stories and the reason these games are made at all. After, what's great about The Wolf Among Us i

  • Look at the Batman Arkham games their not part of the New 52 canon yet they are possibly the most successful comic book games ever and they didn't ruin the Batman lore.

    Herodriver posted: »

    absolutely no,I don't want a story that will ruin an existing lore,if you want that kind of stuff I suggest browse fanfiction.net in

  • They can still use the same story arcs from the comics just let the gamer have more say on what happens and let them make choices that may change some of the events.

    Someguy12 posted: »

    I think it's mainly because the TellTale staff like to work on things that they alrady know and love. In the Making of the Walking D

  • Yeah that's a good idea.

    Just look at Rocksteady studios (The devs who made the Batman games) They could have just made their game a spin-off to the comics New 52 universe but they didn't they made their own universe and continuity and those games turned out great.

    BigBadWULF posted: »

    Telltale is combining its stuff with other universes. They have to remain within said-universe because they don't own it, and to mak

  • Eventually they will run out of things to do that with so yeah Eventually they will make their own game not based on anything but their Imaginations
    /Ideas

  • Maybe it's not TellTale's decision. The license could come with the stipulation that the game will be canon.

  • If they do something like that, it'll probably be like the stories of Peter and Max, Fairest, Cinderella's stories and etc. whereas they have their own story but also have connections to the main storyline.

  • No i think they should just stick with Bigby but it would be cool for those characters to be in the game.

    phool299 posted: »

    If they do something like that, it'll probably be like the stories of Peter and Max, Fairest, Cinderella's stories and etc. whereas they have their own story but also have connections to the main storyline.

  • Arkham Asylum was released a year before the New 52 continuity so making it's sequel in that continuity would have been making it a completely new series. DC has no problem with multiple continuities running at the same time in different mediums, it's actually expected and the audience already knows it. No one went into the movies expecting them to be faithful at all to the comics or to each of the million cartoons expecting them to be at all connected.

    Preserving continuity with the source material is also probably part of the licensing deals for TellTale since both The Walking Dead and Fables are creator owned properties.

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    Look at the Batman Arkham games their not part of the New 52 canon yet they are possibly the most successful comic book games ever and they didn't ruin the Batman lore.

  • They could just pull a JJ Abrams and make an alternate timeline so we're not beholden to what happens in the comics, but just start with where we're at now and leave the future unknown.

  • Making an RPG for the Fables universe really shouldn't be made because I don't think any studio that would handle it would do the characters justice. TellTale's style of game design makes everyone happy.

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    Yes i want to play as Bigby i said that in my comment and the choices don't really matter because it will always come down to the same thing.

  • Really? because i think their are some out their who can. Before The Walking Dead game not many people thought highly of Telltale but they proved them all wrong.

    Arrowify posted: »

    Making an RPG for the Fables universe really shouldn't be made because I don't think any studio that would handle it would do the characters justice. TellTale's style of game design makes everyone happy.

  • Your right i didn't realize that. I should have said the pre-flashpoint universe.

    But that explains why they haven't but i still hope they do one day. Like i said before when HBO made The Walking Dead tv show in another continuity and now the TV show is more popular then the comics and i think the Video Games can do the same.

    shaggyrand posted: »

    Arkham Asylum was released a year before the New 52 continuity so making it's sequel in that continuity would have been making it a

  • But then there is the issue of good games devs already working on projects, and the fact is TellTale takes so much less risk because of the type of game they make. I myself love RPGs but I don't see a good one coming out of the Fables universe unless you can make your own Fable.

    ERROR260392 posted: »

    Really? because i think their are some out their who can. Before The Walking Dead game not many people thought highly of Telltale but they proved them all wrong.

  • Bigby i think should be the main protagonist but we just get to make choices and have Bigby say and do things that may change the events of the comics but will still use the story arcs from the comics. This way we may wind up killing someone who didn't die in the comics or save someone who actually died in the comics.

    For example would it not be cool to see what happens if Bigby found and saved Therese this way Darien won't need to die or see what happens if Bigby failed to protect Ghost from North Wind?

    Arrowify posted: »

    But then there is the issue of good games devs already working on projects, and the fact is TellTale takes so much less risk because

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