Crane

edited February 2014 in General Discussion

I had my suspicions at the start of episode 2 that Crane may of had something to do with the death of Lily's sister but thought it couldn't of been him. I was shocked when it was revealed that Crane was involved in the killing in the hotel room. Cant wait for episode 3 such a awesome game brilliant story.

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  • You mean Holly's sister, right? xD

    As for Crane, we haven't proved crap yet. All we know is that he probably slept with Lily, and he was in that room the murder took place in. We really don't have much evidence to pin it on him, just yet (If at all).

  • It could just be someone glamour end as him

  • I kind of doubt they'd use that trick twice. Besides, Crane playing out a weird fetish involving Snow White really does fit with a lot of what we already know about him. Doesn't necessarily mean he's the killer, but he's clearly into some creepy stuff.

  • Based on the comics timeline and the game's that is 100% impossible.

  • To be honest though I can't see any other explanation for crane having another glamour box in the car.
    Can you clear this out for me?

  • He is hiding something otherwise he wouldn't of smashed up the magic mirror. Plus I wonder who took the picture of Crane couldn't of been Zcrane himself.

  • I think it's supposed to be the same glamour box, and he's getting rid of the evidence. Although I suppose it could be that he had others made. Or he picked up another black market glamour to help him lay low now that his secret's been exposed. It's kind of hard to say for certain without knowing exactly what the fallout is going to be, but I'm sure there are any number of possible explanations.

  • "Zcrane" should be his new identity.

  • To me it just seems a bit early to show the real killer thou.

  • The reason for smashing the mirror is probably for him not wanting to be found. He has a fetish for Snow and is now also the prime suspect for 2 murders, I don't think Bigby will be very happy if he finds him.

    But as LukaszB said, he is not the murderer.

  • It does happen frequently that a story provides many clues of guilt about a character. We have many of them about Crane. He acts strangely, seems worried and anxious, he broke the mirror, a picture of him with a Snow White-resembling prostitute was found. Too many clues: it is evident he is completely innocent. He was certainly framed, but we don't know the purpose. In any case, as I said in another thread, Crane is certainly a sexual maniac but does this imply he might be a killer? He had sex with Lily but am sure he went away before the murder took place. The reasons? I do not know, maybe someone wants to cover the police department with shame for some purpose by making Crane an unworthy chief. Crane has been nervous during the corpse examination because he felt uncomfortable being with the dead woman she had sex with and, plus, maybe someone would be able to correlate the homicide with the fact that Crane used to go with prostitutes, uncovering his sexual secrets. It could be possible that he knew someone was going to frame him and started to be anxious about that, trying, faintly, to hide it. Maybe he was even aware Snow White was not dead and acted like the homicide of the colleague actually took place. Since everyone can be glamoured, it is tricky to think about a possible killer, because everyone can be turned into anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the end, the killer was one of the most unlikely ones, like Snowhite herself, or even Beauty.

  • Actually Crane wouldn't kill anyone alone. There are a lot of unanswered questions. What did Crane want from Faith? Why did Dee threaten to kill Toad Jr.? Will Bigby kill Dee and Dum since they aren't in the comics? Will Grendel kill Woody for having sex with Lily? What was the real reason Crane got fired, because through reading issue 22 and Book of Fables entry on Crane he gets fired in the game? There are more questions than answers so far.

  • I agree. And I don't think Crane is the killer. I think he's just a pervert who was simply unfortunate enough to have his unsavory proclivities brought to light by Bigby's investigation.

  • I'm waiting for Colin Farrell to walk in and say, "This is what we call an orgy of evidence. You know how many orgies I had as a homicide cop? None."

  • when holly finds out crane had sex with lilly she is going to kick his ass

  • Just come to mind, crane and lily probably did their thing, crane left, then the killer came in and killed her afterwards.

  • Crane killed them, no doubt about it.

  • Without any other clues or suspects, we have to assume it's Crane. Too much evidence to point otherwise.

  • theres no way they would reveal the killer in the 2nd episode. Crane is being framed by whoever took the picture of him and "snow"

  • Whoever says Crane is guilty, is wrong.
    He did not kill anyone.

  • A picture he knew existed, and the fact he has a Snow White obsession says otherwise. Crane so far is the only one other than Woody that has a motive to kill Faith. Do we have a motive to kill Lily by anyone? Not yet. Instead of trying to find out who the killer is lets start thinking what the motives are. Crane accuses Bigby a lot, and knows everything about Bigby. 3 episodes of gathering evidence and chasing Crane would be a bit more interesting.

  • "I wouldn't be so sure". There is a ton of evidence that it was Crane, including his denial.

  • What would be Crane's motive for killing Faith? Or even Lily for that matter? So far his primary driving motivation has been his irritation at having this problem land in his lap while he's in charge. Even if he did have reason to kill Faith and Lily, why would he leave evidence of their deaths in such a public location (right outside the Woodlands), when he knows that it would lead to an investigation that could only end either with him being caught or with him being embarrassed politically when his administration fails to catch the killer? And for that matter, why would he leave so much incriminating evidence pointing to him as the killer in a place that could easily be linked back to him?

    I have to agree with Jbeal. Crane being the killer is highly unlikely.

  • Bigby: "What did Faith steal, must have been valuable?" Dee: "I don't know, some dumb thing my boss was after." Crane: "What did you say!". That answers the Faith motive pretty nicely, doesn't it? The only other person with a motive to kill Faith is Woody, yet he was nowhere near the Woodlands when Faith's head was left there.

    Crane wasn't irritated at the fact Faith's head was left at the Woodlands. Bigby: "Give me a break!" Shocked Crane: "What?" Bigby: "You treated her like the fucking maid, and now you want a shoulder to cry on. You didn't care then and you don't care now!" Hesitant Crane: "That's not true! Not true at all!"

    Bigby: "Last chance Dee, who are you working for!" Dee: "Beauty was right about you!" Bigby: Beauty? You're full of shit." Dee: "Oh we're good friends." Crane: "I will not stand for this savagery. You think someone was after Snow! Didn't you think someone wanted to get back at you by killing her!"

    People have said before that the biggest clue would be the fact that there are Huff&Puff cigarettes. And then there is the case of Bluebeard. Bigby: "Bluebeard was mentioned." Crane: "Don't be absured, Bluebeard is out of the country as we speak, so don't even think of accusing him of such a treacherous affair." Bigby: The guy has a history of beheading young women, I think that is something worth checking out." Crane: "If all you're going off of is ancient history, then we're in much more trouble than I imagined. By that rational you're a suspect as well Wolf."

    That is what I call a boatload of evidence against Crane.

  • These quotes prove nothing at all. Plus, the game is canon to the comics, so its not Crane

  • Bigby: "What did Faith steal, must have been valuable?" Dee: "I don't know, some dumb thing my boss was after." Crane: "What did you say!". That answers the Faith motive pretty nicely, doesn't it?

    No. No it doesn't. What exactly is this supposed to prove? I mean, we see here that Dee and his boss might have had a motive. But what does it have to do with Crane?

    Crane wasn't irritated at the fact Faith's head was left at the Woodlands.

    That very clearly is not the case. The first scene in which he appears is him yelling at Snow because there's a killer on the loose. Crane, Episode 1: "The last thing I need with Mayor Cole away is a hysteria!"

    Bigby: "Give me a break!" Shocked Crane: "What?" Bigby: "You treated her like the fucking maid, and now you want a shoulder to cry on. You didn't care then and you don't care now!" Hesitant Crane: "That's not true! Not true at all!"

    Again, I don't know what this is supposed to prove. It's dialogue taken from a conversation regarding a completely different incident.

    Bigby: "Last chance Dee, who are you working for!" Dee: "Beauty was right about you!" Bigby: Beauty? You're full of shit." Dee: "Oh we're good friends." Crane: "I will not stand for this savagery. You think someone was after Snow! Didn't you think someone wanted to get back at you by killing her!"

    Again, what is it that you think this proves?

    People have said before that the biggest clue would be the fact that there are Huff&Puff cigarettes.

    Possibly, but we know that Crane doesn't like cigarettes. Snow, Episode 1: "Crane doesn't like people smoking in--" If he doesn't like people smoking in the office, why would he be smoking the same cigarettes himself?

    Bigby: "Bluebeard was mentioned." Crane: "Don't be absured, Bluebeard is out of the country as we speak, so don't even think of accusing him of such a treacherous affair." Bigby: The guy has a history of beheading young women, I think that is something worth checking out." Crane: "If all you're going off of is ancient history, then we're in much more trouble than I imagined. By that rational you're a suspect as well Wolf."

    A mayor not wanting his sheriff to make baseless accusations against the community's most high-profile citizens is hardly compelling evidence of his guilt.

    That is what I call a boatload of evidence against Crane.

    Really? Because it's what I call a boatload of nothing. I don't see a single piece of direct evidence against Crane in anything you've mentioned.

  • The game truly is canon to the comics, but that doesn't mean that the game won't lead to issue 22 of the comics. That said. Because of the way things are going, mentioning the canon won't help you out this time. And that's because of the timeline. The game is taking place when Crane is fired as mentioned by the timeline of the comics. That means Crane can't be excluded from the suspect list.

  • You obviously weren't searching for combinations. There is a chain reaction and a big one at that, it's hard to notice I guess.

  • Okay. So connect the dots for me then. What am I missing? Because the quotes you posted by themselves don't prove anything.

  • Crane is Dee's boss, that can be determined by Crane saying "What did you say!" If Dee doesn't say "some dumb thing" but "something" Crane remains silent. Crane was more scared than irritated "The las thing I need with mayor Cole away is a hysteria". Crane is irritated when you arrest Dee, and beat Dee up. Also Crane blames Snow and later Bigby when talking about the "hysteria". Which leads to Crane denying how he treated Snow. And Crane constantly blames Bigby even going so far as to accuse him. Huff & Puff cigarettes would put the blame on Bigby, unless someone else other than Bigby and Colin. Bigby gets accused by Crane lots of times. Knowledge & denial are Crane's allies.

  • except he was fired for sexual harassment towards snow white and embezzlement, not murder. As of now we know Crane was sexually harassing snow because his prostitutes looked like her. the embezzlement would be the glamours he bought with Fabletown funds to make them look like her

  • And there is treason.

  • Too bad Crane is too much of a coward to mess with Bigby. Remember, this is Ichabod Crane we are talking about. It is completely out of his storybook character to pick a non-political fight with someone as fearsome as the Big Bad Wolf. It just makes zero sense because he wants to limit risk as much as possible. Why would he suddenly decide to start killing prostitutes after 115 years as deputy mayor and leave behind so much evidence?

  • embezzlement from government funds is treason

  • it's stealing and going against the laws he wrote with King Cole. Treason was spying and writing what he saw. And Crane spied on Bigby when Bigby was fighting Woody. Should I mention the exact words?

  • The exact words that Crane used to describe Bigby were "whipped cur" and "mongrel". Both quotes were quoted originally though there was no early mention. And there is also spying on Beauty. I have a feeling more will be mentioned later on in the game.

  • So why does this make Crane guilty of murder?

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