Fabletown government is irrational.

Disclaimer: don't expect proper grammar because english isn't my first language

Ok, so EP1 starts with me throwing Woody, violent and drunk, through a wall and crashing on Toad's car. I guess that some people might find it "funny" or "lulzy", but to me, that felt cheap and a step back from being a serious attempt at something noir. I mean, I should have the option of knocking him out somehow, not play Superman. And what about Toad's car? Who's going to pay for that? I'm berrating him for not affording his glamour at the start, but now I'm asking him to just forget the fact that I cost him money? Is Bigby a NARCISSIST?

Skip to the Trip Trap. I'm asking questions and Woody shows up. Surprisingly, he doesn't want to fight me, but Gren does. He turns into whatever monster he's supposed to be and recklessly screws up Holly's place as if she doesn't matter to him despite berrating Bigby for not doing enough for her sister. Bigby wins the fight and is left with a very screwed up decision: to rip or not to rip Gren's arm. If you're the "lulzy" kind of person, you definitely ripped off his arm and giggled, but to me, these ridiculous options make me wonder why Bigby even thought about doing that. Defending yourself against someone that wants to kill you is one thing, but tearing his goddamn arm off after he's beaten and whimpering is another thing. Is Bigby a SADIST? How the hell would Fabletown government let him get away with it? Who's going to pay for Holly's place?

"What's that, Bigby? You wrecked someone's appartment and car? I'm sure that there was no other way."

"What's that, Bigby? You wrecked someone's bar and tore off a guy's arm? At least you didn't kill anyone."

"What's that, Bigby? You're torturing a person that's linked to someone's murder? My god, I'm going to make sure that you'll be villified everywhere and that no-one will ever hire you again!"

I just can't look past these things...


  • It's worth noting that in the case of both fights, Bigby's not the one who starts it, and it could therefore be argued that he's just defending himself, which is why there's some leeway with his actions.

    The torture scene though... yeah, that was all on him, hence the negative response.

  • In Gren's case, you CAN hit him first.

    In Woody's case, you can kick his door. Of course, there's him hitting Faith and your character tries to restrain him, but what happens after that shouldn't be Bigby trying to get as many hits as he can, but rather to restrain him. I mean, why does he even let him get up after he finally puts him down? I would rather have had a scenarion in which he's faced-down on the floor with me on his back trying to restrain him and asking Faith about what's happening at the same time. He breaks loose and HE is the one that throws me out the window. This way Bigby doesn't appear to be a thug with a badge.

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    Non fables are put under a spell(Mundies) so government and people won't notice anything

    As for unnecessary over top scenes fables are fighting their superhuman going to be flying everywhere and smashing everything to even cause damage to each other woodsmen survived an axe to brain.

    The whole fun is unnecessary violence and over the top action for me

  • I know that. I've read a few issues of the comic.

    What I also know is that Bigby's and Snow's characters are much more mature and more developed in the comic than in TT's take. Snow's been "taking care of herself for centuries", yet acts in an incredibly naive manner. It takes her only a couple of decades to go from the "Really? A working girl is a prostitute? I wouldn't have thought of that! You sure do have the streetsmarts, Bigby!" thing to "Bigby, I'm going to mess you up really bad if you let me out of the loop in your case!".

    I just think that they should've gone with a more mature and more realistic take on things. There's plenty of "over the top action" stuff in the video games industry.

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  • "Government" and "Irrational" go hand in hand, so I don't see where the surprise is coming from.

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    See your point and if read comics your knowledge is already better then mine especially in detective game could make lot depth and still be fun by finding clues or questioning suspects and decide if lieing or telling the truth(e.g L.A noire) but to late now i enjoy sillyness but would also enjoy a mature game but unfortunately companys try make games to suit all ages and personality's for max profit so if they don't get the mature story throw in few over top scenes and simple dialogue to keep them entertained

  • I'm berrating him for not affording his glamour at the start, but now I'm asking him to just forget the fact that I cost him money?

    I don't see the problem. To me, that sounds like par for the course as governments go.

    I have a feeling that playing a more hostile Bigby is something that might come back to haunt the player in a later episode. Though yes, Fabletown is a bit more "wild west" than a typical police department. That's pretty much the case in the comics too, so I don't think it's a matter of Telltale failing to capture the right tone. I think there are a few reasons for that. Fabletown isn't technically a real government that's officially recognized, and they don't have the same resources that a normal government body might have. It's pretty much just one guy who's in charge of keeping all of the fables in line. They don't have the facilities to jail people, so punishments are basically limited to community service or the Witching Well. A rogue fable is often much more dangerous than a mundy criminal too, so they may feel that the sheriff needs to have a wider latitude in dealing with them. Besides, I get the impression that a lot of the fables still hold on to a more medieval mindset when it comes to criminal punishment than the average modern American.

    For what it's worth, I did tell Holly to bill Crane for the damages after the fight with Grendel.

  • I think it would be common sense for Bigby to NOT throw Woody outside and risk causing a scene in which their supernatural powers are revealed. What if people saw two men exiting a one-story wall, falling down and getting up like it was nothing? What if a mundy saw Woody talking with an axe in his head? Bigby throwing out Woody is just silly.

    But that's not the point, the point is that Toad's car getting wrecked is the result of a conscious and faulty (and ridiculous) reasoning of a Fabletown employee and thus should get compensation, and thus Bigby's a narcissist for telling Toad to sort it all out by himself when it's clear that he's to blame.

    I told Holly to bill Crane, too, but that didn't change anything. She still hid the fragile stuff as if expecting trouble when I returned in EP2. TT probably didn't want to spend more cash on art/voices to set up an alternate Trip Trap where most of the stuff is fixed and Holly's grateful for Fabletown government's role in the reparations.

  • You do realize that it was less than 24 hours between the fight and the return right? no way that bar would be fixed by then. Also we must assume that any damage Bigby causes will be payed for by Fabletown since he is a Fabletown employee. One more thing... Its THE Big Bad Wolf... a former Fable villain who is "trying" to reform his ways as stated in book of fables. Its perfectly logical to assume he still has inner rage from his past. plus he knows it takes a lot to kill a fable so he knows the injuries he causes are no big deal, after all its the second time Grendel had his arm torn off.

  • I'm pretty sure Woody throws Bigby through the window, not the other way around. You can kind of tell because Bigby is the first one out, falling backwards, with Woody on top of him. I know Bigby has the choice of grabbing him and saying, "You wait outside," but then it cuts straight to the two of them falling out of the window. I think what likely happened before the cut was that Bigby tried to take Woody out the door. Woody resisted. There was a brief struggle. Then Woody grabbed onto Bigby and ran him out the window.

    As for Toad's car, I kind of took it more as Bigby being sarcastic and giving Toad a hard time just because he has a dry sense of humor. He probably also didn't want to undermine his authority while talking to a petty crook like Toad by acting too apologetic. I think it's probably safe to assume that Fabletown pays for the property damage that happens as a result of Bigby's investigations. But as Jbeal points out, regardless of who's paying for it, it's not going to all get fixed within 24 hours.

  • Who's going to pay for Holly's place?

    It's possible to tell Holy "send bill to Crane" so sherrif office will pay for everything (also the glass). About Gren - Crane was busy with the dead "Snow" and maybe even noone told him about what happened. I think it could be important later

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    You're wrong. You explicitely have the option of "Throw him out". Video below at 9:27s.

    I can't believe what I'm hearing from you. Even if Toad did snatch Faith's fur thingy, that doesn't mean that Toad's car being collateral damage should be his punishment for it. Need I not remind which of those happened first. Maybe Toad was scavenging stuff in order to pay for his car because of Bigby's mishandling of the situation?

    Imagine a real life scenario in which your car gets wrecked by the police's mishandling of a, let's say, car chase. Wouldn't you get pissed off at the cop that would calmly step out of his car, look at the damages and say: "Sup! Soz 'bout your car, but " and just drive away?

    Telltale have made Bigby an irrational thug with a badge.

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    Irrational government is irrational.This ain't a normal government,tho.Who knows?Maybe fables ARE into irrational shit.

  • You're wrong. You explicitely have the option of "Throw him out".

    Yes, I know. I mentioned that option in my previous post. My point is that even if you choose that option, we still don't actually see Bigby throwing him out. It cuts straight to the shot of Bigby and Woody falling out the window, with Woody on top, which would seem to strongly suggest that Woody was the one pushing Bigby out the window, not the other way around. Otherwise, Bigby would have had to grab Woody and pull him backwards through the window, causing himself to fall outside along with him. I suppose it's possible that that could be what happened, but it would be an incredibly awkward fighting style when Bigby could have chosen to either push him out the window like a normal person or just use the door.

    Even if Toad did snatch Faith's fur thingy, that doesn't mean that Toad's car being collateral damage should be his punishment for it.

    I never said that it should. Bigby smashing Toad's car wasn't a punishment. It's just where he happened to land. It's not like Bigby thought to himself, "You know what would be really great, would be if I got myself thrown from a second story window and destroyed Toad's car."

  • Nobody's forcing you to make those decisions. In fact, if you do choose those actions, people get extremely pissed off with you. Also, don't forget, these are special circumstances - there haven't been murders of Fables for a long time.

  • I think it's important to realize that Fabletown is much more like the wild west than a functioning City. It's a glorified refugee camp for crying out loud. These creatures saw their worlds destroyed in awful ways and only made it here by enduring horror. They are only semi-united by their fear of being rediscovered by the adversary so keeping a lid on things sometimes means making your point the hard way. It's not moral or justified, but it's because they have bigger things to fear than a sheriff that maims the occasional reprobate.

  • Grendel is a monster from the Norse Beowulf legend, and Beowulf tore off his arms. That's supposed to be his monster form from the myth, and tearing the arm off is a nod to it as well.

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