Glamours

edited February 2014 in General Discussion

Wouldn't glamours make it completely impossible to find, arrest, or convict anyone in the Fable's world? Since they could always be someone else you could never prove it was them (and not another posing as them) and even if you could how would you find them since they could turn into anyone?

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  • edited February 2014

    Good point the person you glamour would obviously needed to be kidnapped and hidden and say the fables close friends and relatives would notice difference but if knew someone was glamour how change them back is it only death or do you destroy the magic object?
    Another questions is police and bigby are not working together is there prison for fables as woodsman got away with beating a women etc found out there not just farm for fables who can't afford to glamour so there not convictions at all for fables

    Police and government would never know as their mundies

  • The glamour doesn't have to be of someone alive does it?

    I should have used better words, but by arrest and conviction I meant they (Fables) have to have some sort of judgicial system, they can't throw people down the witching well all willy nilly.

  • Im not sure just played game never read comics so just be bs if told you anything

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/comment/960348

    my research some comments state no prison just farm

  • No I know there isn't any prison. But there has to be a system by which they incriminate other Fables and:

    A- Send them to the farm

    or

    B- Throw them down the witching well

  • True sorry viva very out of my depth here sorry i like to know as well

  • Haha no problem :p thanks for joining the conversation!

  • edited February 2014

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/709255-the-wolf-among-us-episode-1-faith/67604101?page=1

    Mention witching well think is used also I read somewhere else for fables unfit to live with them and population

  • It appears to me that the only people who can acquire glamours that make them appear as other fables are those that are high ranking officials such as Crane who used one make "Snow." I would think that Glamours like that are almost impossible to come by because of that and thats why people don't walk around as other fables all the time, because those that can acquire them probably wouldn't use them with the exception of Crane.

  • Also, they were talking about the glamour used to make Lilly look like snow being a black market glamour, so it was made unofficially. It seems more like an exploitation rather than the actual purpose.

  • The Farm's not a prison although it is for the fables that live there I suppose but no-one is sent there to be imprisoned. The Farm is where non-human fables who are unable to afford glamours have to live. A human looking fable who committed some kind of transgression wouldn't be sent there though.

  • The Witching Well is where they send the dead generally. One character who does commit a crime against Fabletown is made to go down it alive though.

  • The comic makes it clear that glamors are very expensive.

  • I'm not so sure. There needs to be some punishment. Seeing as how murder or the witching well are extremely bad there needs to be some... calmer retribution.

  • Doesn't really matter though does it? If it is an exploitation or not it can still be used for that purpose.

  • Besides being expensive there really isn't any evidence to point towards the fact they couldn't easily be used for this.

  • Community service tends to be doled out punishment in those cases.

  • Have to agree with you. All the books needed to make a glamour box are in the Business Office. The glamours that are official are only obtained by paying the 13th Floor witches.

  • Is there evidence of this in the comics or something?

  • I'm fairly sure Bigby references giving Jack community service for certain things. For the most part though there isn't many instances in the comics where characters commit crimes against the community. The few that occur are major ones.

  • I feel like some people may be getting the wrong idea about how glamours are used in the Fables universe based on this one incident with Lily. I think it's interesting that the game is exploring some of the deeper implications of glamours existing, but they're not really intended to take the forms of other people. It's not like Fabletown is a whole community of shapeshifters. It's more a limited use kind of magic, just so that non-human fables can blend in. A fable gets a particular glamour that they use all the time, and that's it. For the most part, it's controlled by the witches on the Thirteenth Floor. Most regular fables don't have access to that kind of magic. And even if they did, glamours are supposed to be very expensive. Most fables can barely pay for their regular glamours, much less extra ones to mimic other people. So even with the introduction of this idea of a black market for magic, there are probably only a handful of fables who could afford it anyway. It's not like this is something that happens regularly. Hence Snow and Bigby's surprise.

    So yes, Lily was glamoured to look like Snow. But that shouldn't be taken to mean that every character in the game could potentially be someone else in disguise. I'm pretty sure that was just a one-time twist.

  • Yeah, Jack and Rose are sentenced to community service. Flycatcher is pretty much always serving a community service order for minor infractions.

    Major crimes that can't be resolved that way often get the death penalty. Fables seem to be more accepting of capital punishment than much of the modern world.

    And Morninglightmountain is correct, the Farm is not a prison. Not technically anyway, although many of the non-human fables who are forced to stay there because they can't get glamours might feel differently. In any case, they're not imprisoned there as punishment for any crime, let's say.

  • Unless you count poverty as a crime. Flycatcher's community service keeps happening for a reason though.

  • Yes, it certainly can be. I guess I'm saying that it's probably not a super common thing though, what Monkey said about making glamours made it sound like they aren't the easiest things to make, but they have already caused trouble and may continue to.

  • Agreed. But the preview to episode 3 showing Crane driving off, I noticed he had another glamour object. Similar to the one found on Lily with Snow's hair and picture. I'm guessing he may use it to avoid being caught...

  • My guess is that it's the same glamour box, and Crane is getting rid of the evidence.

  • Maybe he had several of them, it seems like this wasn't the first time he had someone look like Snow. Now that it looks like he's in on the murder, got to get rid of whatever he has left. But then, I wonder if you can reuse glamour boxes? Seems like they're pretty expensive, but if you could reuse them there would be no need to keep buying more.

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