WTF Bonnie?

edited March 2014 in The Walking Dead

Okey... when I first saw Bonnie... I remembered her right away from 400 days, and of course knowing that Bonnie trusts people, I kind of expected her to be trustworthy too, so sure, she got some food from us. Then she comes with a group and attacking? What is this group? Is this group Tavia's group that we got attacked by? In that case, how long after that thing are we? Are Vince, Wyatt, Russell, Shell and Becky at that place? They don't seem like good people at all, those Bonnie was with. I think Bonnie talked about Becky when she said she had a girl about her age there. I also half expected to see the rest of the group to show up of people we knew from 400 days.

I didn't hate Bonnie, but she wasn't exactly a favorite of mine from 400 days, but now I'm starting to kind of hate her. She's definitly changed. Just coming in there agreeing to torture and murder?

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  • She's probably in it for her own group. We all jumped to conclusions and thought she'd help Clem's group, but she might simply view Clem & Co as bandits.

    Either that, or she regrets working for Carver/is being pushed into working for him.

  • I think she has been brainwashed by Carver.

  • Bonnie didn't do anything wrong. If you your friend tortured someone and you knew if you tried to stop it would get you killed would you do it?
    And you see what happends if try to escape Carvers camp, they track you down and bring you back.

  • Bonnie seems to be forced to do Carver's bidding. She didn't look at all happy with what Carver was doing, but had a look like she had no choice and felt like she had to follow orders. We clearly saw Carver has no qualms beating the shit out of people or even killing them for "his cause"

  • I don't think she has a choice.

    She's a coward for bending to Carver's will and doing terrible stuff for him, that's for sure, but she's not really a bad gal.
    I'm sure the guilt is crushing her from inside.

    If Carver gets overthrown in EP3, I'm positive she'll be there to help Clem when it matters.

  • Yea, I'm sure. Bonnie is more likely to bend to Carver's will. Witch is probably why Bonnie was first sent out to scout too. She seems like a friendly person. Carver would not be able to do that with Russell, that's for sure. When Russell can walk out on Nate, he pretty sure wouldn't take shit from a guy like Carver. Still, I'm shocked that he shot a guy without any warning.

    Wonder what they are going to do to Clem and the others.

  • She is a bitch....she better not touch a single hair on Clemmy's little head

  • IF Bonnie ever tries to do a Lilly attitude like shooting Carley and if she did that to Clemmy, THE CLAWS ARE OUT!!!!

  • The lobster claws?

    RavenReaper posted: »

    IF Bonnie ever tries to do a Lilly attitude like shooting Carley and if she did that to Clemmy, THE CLAWS ARE OUT!!!!

  • Yeah probably this. I feel like she got dragged to Carver's doghouse to do his bidding.

    Bonnie seems to be forced to do Carver's bidding. She didn't look at all happy with what Carver was doing, but had a look like sh

  • My Bonnie was honest and trustworthy (being completely honest to Leland about what happened with Dee) and Leland went with her so I find it completely out of character for he to become a bandit. She must have been brainwashed or manipulated by Carver. I wouldn't put it past Carver to make her believe that the cabin group are the bad guys so I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and hope we can get her on our side in Ep 3.

    I would also love to know why Leland leaves Bonnie. (Although from watching playthroughs he dies if your not honest so we probably won't find out.)

  • How about snake tongue?

    The lobster claws?

  • Bonnie has probably been manipulated by Carver, but the 'real' Bonnie is trying to escape what he's turning her into. You can kind of tell this from when the group is entering the ski lodge and Walter looks over at Bonnie, kind of ashamed that she betrayed them. Instead of trying to act tough, Bonnie turns away. She also doesn't say or do anything bad, besides lie. And also, in the Episode 3 preview, you see Clem smiling at Bonnie. She probably wouldn't have done this unless Bonnie is getting better. So, there is hope for her.

  • My reaction when Bonnie was with Carver and letting him shoot Walter.

  • But they are both such attractive options!

    Gengar posted: »

    How about snake tongue?

  • Really? As soon as I saw her I was like "NO" she's with Carver shoot her! I just really want the chance in the next episode to sacrifice or kill her! Never liked Bonnie.

  • She had an assault rifle and Carver had his back turned, I find the 'Bonnie is being forced' argument is a but lacking .

    Bonnie didn't do anything wrong. If you your friend tortured someone and you knew if you tried to stop it would get you killed would you do it? And you see what happends if try to escape Carvers camp, they track you down and bring you back.

  • I bet they are

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    But they are both such attractive options!

  • GOUSTTTTGOUSTTTT Banned
    edited March 2014

    This is all I have to say about Bonnie.

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  • edited March 2014

    A little bit off topic, but did anybody else really dislike the scene when we first see Bonnie?

    I mean, the group is being follwed and then someome comes sneaking around. It's a bit of an insult to Clementine's intelligence for her not to put two and two together.

  • So drugs transformed her into an alien life form? This is why we should never take illegal drugs.

    GOUSTTTT posted: »

    This is all I have to say about Bonnie.

  • Man...I felt the same way

    RavenReaper posted: »

    My reaction when Bonnie was with Carver and letting him shoot Walter.

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    Gengar posted: »

    So drugs transformed her into an alien life form? This is why we should never take illegal drugs.

  • Well Clem did see people crossing the bridge with lights, I'm surprised I never got the chance to explain that to anyone and got them ready for it.

    Onmens posted: »

    A little bit off topic, but did anybody else really dislike the scene when we first see Bonnie? I mean, the group is being foll

  • Carlos, Alvin and Rebecca ask her about it when you go looking for the christmas tree thingie.

    Gengar posted: »

    Well Clem did see people crossing the bridge with lights, I'm surprised I never got the chance to explain that to anyone and got them ready for it.

  • Oh, nvm then XD

    Onmens posted: »

    Carlos, Alvin and Rebecca ask her about it when you go looking for the christmas tree thingie.

  • Troy would have killed her most likely....

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    She had an assault rifle and Carver had his back turned, I find the 'Bonnie is being forced' argument is a but lacking .

  • I was debating whether Bonnie was referencing Becca when she said she had a girl around Clementine's age, but the way she phrases it and how it's mentioned whether or not Shel leaves with Tavia makes me think otherwise.

  • A big problem for addicts is self-esteem and self-control. Also, there is an issue of co-dependency, and you can tell by how Bonnie follows Leland and Dee that she feels very helpless and without direction on her own.

    I think it makes sense that she would fall in with a strong group and not have the willpower or courage to stand up to somebody like Carver. I have a feeling that whatever has happened (be it Carver taking over Tavia's group, or Tavia's group and Carver's group being one and the same), Bonnie is just taking the path of least resistance. You can see she is still a good person by how she looked away from Walter. I bet Carver uses her as a scout because she's a woman, she seems friendly, and there might be a good chance people respond to her like Walter did.

    Ultimately, I bet Bonnie is instrumental in saving Clem and whatever remains of the cabin/lodge groups. It would surprise me if she wound up being a "bad" character. There was too much warmth and kindness in her in "400 Days", at least how I played her.

  • She probably has been told that the cabin survivors have this coming. We already know that Alvin killed someone to get at carver. We don't know what everyone else has done.

    Besides, you could see the "WTF I didn't sign up for this" face on her when she saw Carver execute Walter.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    She had an assault rifle and Carver had his back turned, I find the 'Bonnie is being forced' argument is a but lacking .

  • Honestly not sure how anyone could be a fan of Bonnie.

  • edited March 2014

    Maybe because this whole IP revolves around playing with people's first impressions.... so there is always the possibility that she is a good person. Was our impression of her in 400 Days the correct one, or is this encounter with her the "real" Bonnie? It is hard to tell what characters are really about in TWD (as an intellectual property), because so much of the conflict is all about the ways that survival subverts morality (and sometimes, morality overrides survival instinct). Hard for me to explain, sorry.

    Like... everybody hated Rebecca, Carlos, and Nick after episode 1. Rebecca was a bitch, Carlos left us to die and doesn't trust us, and Nick is a disastrous mix of Ben's clumsiness and Kenny's impulsiveness... But, now many fans are warming up to them and saying they were wrong about them, and it is only after Rebecca says a few nice words to Clem, or Carlos shows himself to be half competent (and saves Clem outside the lodge a few times), and Nick has the balls to confess to Walter (determinant). I wouldn't call myself a "fan" of Bonnie, but she's an interesting character and I think she will surprise us (and many of us might become fans of her)....

    My Bonnie in 400 Days was honest, and probably just thinks she can't make it on her own (just like Maggie, Bob, and Sasha realized in last night's TV TWD). She hasn't become strong like Carol from the TV series did. She probably just fell into this Carver situation and realizes she will get a bullet in the back of her head the minute she tries to oppose him. She's surviving, imperfectly... just like everybody else in this world.

    She might turn out to be some loser junkie follower-type, but the way she was honest and had genuine remorse for accidentally killing Dee in "400 Days" (determinant) shows us there is a good person in her, as well. If I had to bet, I think her "betrayal" of the lodge group is just a device to make fans hate her (so we will be surprised when she turns out to be a decent person). There's a reason Carver sent her first too. He likely knows people underestimate her. He realizes she gives off the "help me" vibe. I personally think that might be why he, himself, fatally underestimates her... but we can only dream. :)

    Belan posted: »

    Honestly not sure how anyone could be a fan of Bonnie.

  • Makes me wonder if the choices in 400 days even matter at all, and that each character will appear in different episodes just to stab Clementine and her group in the back because "that's what players don't expect after seeing them in 400 days"

  • It's an interesting way to give antagonists depth, but I hope that the entire group isn't suddenly evil.

    Linkenski posted: »

    Makes me wonder if the choices in 400 days even matter at all, and that each character will appear in different episodes just to stab Clementine and her group in the back because "that's what players don't expect after seeing them in 400 days"

  • I agree with that. While I'm not sure I am fully invested in that theory it is definitely plausible. I was just saying that Bonnie is not being forced, or at least I highly doubt she is. You could argue Carver has someone she knows captive or a million different 'being forced' ideas, but as it sits now I think she is in it for her own nefarious purposes, or at least purposes that serve herself and the people she trusts.

    Michael7123 posted: »

    She probably has been told that the cabin survivors have this coming. We already know that Alvin killed someone to get at carver.

  • After his henchman died (who's name escapes me) it was an unsuspecting Troy and an unsuspecting Carver. I have no doubts she had a plethora of opportunities to cap both of them in one swoop.

    Troy would have killed her most likely....

  • Guess Tavia's community wasnt so great after all

  • 2 returns for the price of 1. Was awesome.

  • edited March 2014

    Yeah, this is exactly how I feel about it. She's a recovering addict! Of course she's attached on to something/someone that provides stability, purpose and direction – Carver. She's been working for him because it's a reason to get up in the morning, something to keep her busy and not let herself slip back into drug abuse. Also, like you say – self esteem – she feels better about herself because Carver trusts her to do something important. She doesn't like Carver's ruthless nature when it's revealed but she's not strong enough to stand up to him… yet.

    I think Bonnie will be an ally in the coming episodes.

    RedCombLP posted: »

    A big problem for addicts is self-esteem and self-control. Also, there is an issue of co-dependency, and you can tell by how Bonni

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