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Why do you guys want Lily back so much?!

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She killed Carley and she always made Clementine scared and Clementine witnessed Carley's death! When did she ever do good? If she comes back this season then she will probably be MORE messed up!

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    Lee killed The Senator and Kenny killed Larry which Clem witnessed, only it was twice as gruesome.

    Lilly was the only one willing to get her act together and sort everyone out. Remember the tough decisions she had to make with dealing the food out? Yes she killed Carley but she did exactly the same thing as Lee; she killed someone in anger.

    • Killing someone because they said something mean to you vs. killing someone because they're having an affair with your wife.. hmmm. I'm not saying Lee's actions from back then are justified, but come on. He also actively redeemed himself all of season one. Its surprising that Lee murdered someone in the past. Its not surprising what Lilly did.

      Other than handling food rations, what "tough" decisions did Lilly ever make? She was an emotionally unbalanced character and a bad leader.

      • Um, not quite that simple. Lilly killed someone because she was steadfastly sure that it had to be Ben (and she was right) and/or Carley who were the thieves and traitors to the group. And then Carley openly insulted her and mocked her (and she deserved it, I grant you), but it was an insult coming from someone she already strongly suspected of being involved in the plot to kill everybody. That significantly draws out more rage than a simple insult.

        You also can't make light of the rationing decisions. That's about as hard a job as it can get in this life, especially since Lilly felt like everyone was resenting her for a job that nobody wanted to do. That's actually a very decent point she made. That said, I don't know about "tough" decisions, but she handled the food, and also scheduled gun training for the group to help them defend themselves with firearms. She was a good leader when she had to be, but then started to lose it after Larry's death.

  • Seriously? Clem will be "messed up" just by seeing Lilly? She seemed pretty fine talking about her with Alvin. I think far worse things could happen to Clem.

    As for people wanted her back, its simple really, she was a really interesting and likeable character. Throughout season 1 I liked her more because I could totally see where she was coming from and agreed with most of her decisions. She killed Doug/Carley out of anger and it was a weak point for the character, I want to see her redeem herself. That was a huge moment of the season. Her story is far from over and that's why we want her back.

    • I didn't say Clem will be messed up. I said Lily would be more messed up

    • She was likable?? How? She was a very unpleasant person and was crazy stubborn.

    • Interesting? Yes, definitely she was an interesting character. Likeable... Well, I'm not even sure that Telltale wanted her to be likeable. Even if you supported her and agreed with her, she was generally a negative and unpleasant person. Now I'm not saying they wanted people to hate her, but I'm sure that likeable was never high on the list when writing her character. I actually want her to return because like you said, she was interesting. However, if she does try to redeem herself, I will be completely unforgiving. Personally, I think a villainous role would be more interesting.

      • lol yeah maybe likeable is a bit of a long shot. I found her strangely likeable anyway. All I know is that through my first playthrough I always took her side, because I always agreed with her. But yeah, I totally agree with you.

        • Nah, I think she can be fairly likable based on her better moments. I never thought she was particularly unpleasant to you when you agree with her. I mean, seriously, if people can say Nate is likable, or Merle or even the goddamn Governor from the TV show, there's nothing wrong with saying Lilly was likable, lol.

          For me, it was her moments of leadership that were alluded to, her kindness towards Lee when you agreed, her badass moments like taking out Danny, shooting Andy, and immediately jumping out the window to get the drop on the bandits who almost killed everybody. I have my issues with Kenny these days, but I also say he's a very likable guy when you're on his good side.

    • Well, Clem blames Lily for shooting Carley for "No reason", because she didn't know about anyone stealing the food. So she does think LIly's a heartless woman who just straight out murdered Carley, but she had a reason to do it. But Clem has yet to realize it. So I agree. I want to see a satisfactory ending (or beginning) to Lily's story.

  • I guess it's just like with Kenny. Some people seemed to have liked her, so they want her back. I for myself couldn't care less. If she shows up, fine. If not, I won't mind either.

  • Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate? Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do. As UndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger. I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die. And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me. She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.

    Kenny scared Clementine even more. He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her. He swears all the time in front of her. He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die. He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat. He takes the food in the car when Lilly and Clementine disagree. Kenny wants to shoot the girl while Lilly would rather end her suffering. He would rather look for a boat then let Omid rest up.

    I honestly don't see how people like Kenny more then Lilly. Its a mustache, then a beard... WHO CARES? He makes the rashest decisions. I agree killing Larry had to be done but I would rather he eat us all then let Clementine witness that crap. Its the zombie apocalypse, Kenny's decisions are for survival but they are inhuman. If we are no longer human then what is the point of living?

    • Simple answer, Kenny is more important than Lilly. This is a fact that you actually can not deny as in the "Making of" video, they say that Kenny was the third most important character next to Lee and Clementine. Also, most people found Lilly to be an unpleasant, negative person. Kenny was supposed to be more likeable.

      So basically... Kenny was just supposed to be more likeable and important than Lilly. ._.

      • What exactly does "importance" have to do with anything, though? A lot of people love Kenny more than they love Lee, despite Lee being the more "important" character. Nate is of little to no importance to the grand story, but he's clearly deeply loved by a lot of people (and yes, I know I bring him up a lot, but the love for the guy and sometimes outright defending of his evil actions is just baffling to me). How much weight a character has in the story really doesn't impact character preference at all, or else side characters would always be second to the main character as far as fandom love goes, and that's just not the case.

        • Well in terms of Kenny being more important, we've known him for longer, and also Lilly was written as a generally unpleasant person. Kenny was, I believe, meant to be more likeable.

    • Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate?

      She's hated because she's a murderous, backstabbing, whiny, hypocritical coward.

      Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do.

      We saw enough on screen to determine how bad she is.

      As UndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger.

      Lee killed a guy in a fight by accident with reason and showed remorse.

      Lilly killed a woman in cold blood on purpose for no reason and showed no remorse.

      I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die.

      Really? That's your excuse? People die? Yeah people die but that doesn't give her or anyone a reason to shoot an unarmed woman that never did anything to her.

      And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me.

      It means nothing, her leaving Clem to die later on showed she never cared.

      She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.

      She's not the only one to lose someone in TWD world. I'm sure other people who'd lose a parent wont go on and murder someone that never did anything to them.

      Kenny scared Clementine even more.

      She didn't look scared when she saw him at the ski lodge

      He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her.

      He drops a salt lick on a seemingly dead guy who tried to murder her caring guardian in which she also witnessed. Lilly killed a kind hearted woman or attempted to kill a good friend of Clem in front of her.

      He swears all the time in front of her.

      I know you're a Lilly fan but come on man, don't act like she doesn't swear in front of her also.

      He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die.

      As opposed to Lilly who runs away with the RV and leaves everyone else to die. At least when Kenny did it, it was to get his son clear from danger.

      He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat.

      And this is bad how? The Motel became unsafe and they were out in the middle of the road, you need a plan for things like this.

      He takes the food in the car when Lilly and Clementine disagree.

      Well considering that they were all hungry and Lilly does nothing while Kenny is the one that looks for food with Lee, you can't blame him for taking it. If anyone is to blame, it's The Stranger.

      Kenny wants to shoot the girl while Lilly would rather end her suffering.

      Do you honestly think Lilly would've shot that woman if she was in Kenny's position? She got angry at Carley & Glenn for saving Lee, Clem & Kenny's family as she would've left them outside to be eaten, the same with Ben when she went off at Lee, Mark & Kenny so why would she waste a bullet for someone who was bit, as she said previously "We are not responsible for any struggling survivor we come across", it just goes to show you how much of a hypocrite she is.

      He would rather look for a boat then let Omid rest up.

      You mean the scene where he continued walking instead of letting Omid rest in the middle of the streets. They found a house didn't they where he rested up.

      I honestly don't see how people like Kenny more then Lilly. Its a mustache, then a beard... WHO CARES?

      Because Kenny stuck by you until the end no matter what decisions you made with him while Lilly never gave a damn about you. No matter what you do for her, it will always come down with the same result. She'll leave you and Clem to die, lie to you, selfishly throw you under the bus by revealing that you killed a man, murder someone you've gotten close with, doesn't care that her dad tried to murder you and always yells at you and the whole group and she does this even if you were on her side. As I previously stated, Lilly killed someone you've gotten close with and betrays your trust while Kenny saved your life from Lilly's father and will put himself in danger to save a woman or put a teenager that got his family killed out of his misery in the risk that he might get devoured. Kenny can be a prick at times but there will be times where he's a selfless hero, Lilly will always be a selfish bitch. Why some people prefer Lilly over Kenny I'll never know even with the arguments Lilly fans give.

      He makes the rashest decisions. I agree killing Larry had to be done but I would rather he eat us all then let Clementine witness that crap.

      Wow, I don't know what to say about this. You'd let yourself and a little girl get eaten just so she wouldn't have to witness a possibly dead body getting put down before reanimation?

      You're criticizing Kenny for doing this but Lilly did the same in murdering an innocent woman/attempted to murder a teenager right in front of Clem but you seem to ignore this action. Lilly's action is much worse because it was uncalled for and unnecessary.

      Its the zombie apocalypse, Kenny's decisions are for survival but they are inhuman. If we are no longer human then what is the point of living?

      OK, you're saying Kenny's decisions are rash and inhumane but Lilly murdering an innocent woman, leaving people to die and stabbing people in the back is what? Human?

      Your arguments seem to be one sided, you're pointing out things Kenny has done but yet you ignore the fact Lilly has done the same things but worse. I have no idea why some people think Lilly is a darling good person when she has shown that she's a selfish bitch that didn't care about anybody but her dad and her actions demonstrate this from killing a person she was bullying who stood up to her and tried to justifying it afterwards to leaving people like Clem to die after they were generous to let her back in.

      • Been protecting Lilly all day.. Well here goes.

        Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again because Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.

        Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.

        Again. None of the TWD characters have had a huge ass brick thing dropped on a parent who is the only thing the person cares about. Carley insults Lilly calling her a scared little bitch. You call that nothing? Swearing in my book is pretty hurtful.

        When seeing Kenny. Yes because you wouldn't hug a guy you haven't seen in years. He was in her group. Doesn't matter what he did but that he was there. Seeing someone familiar after years isn't scary even if they did horrible stuff.

        Okay, So in an apocalypse. One of your group members is a convicted killer. Lets all be friends!!! I love murderers! Larry wants to give murderers his charm!

        Well it seems to me that Kenny swears the most.

        Again with the RV. People make mistakes. She probably figured they would use the train and if not then... walk.

        Yes but a boat? Don't you think other people had the same idea?

        The car situation was definitely the Stranger's fault...

        Yes but when you return she is concerned. Kenny says something like "We could have left her" and Lilly responds "And let her suffer?" like she disagreed with Kenny. Obviously she said that were not responsible for survivors thing. But this was a different scenario. The girl was bit and shes not much of a survivor in my eyes.

        Yes but Kenny was eager to go looking for a boat, with or without Omid.

        Stuck with me to the end? HAHA hilarious my friend. Stuck by my side no matter what decisions? That is a good one. I tried to save Larry and guess what? When Danny attacked me he watched, when the door fell on me in the pharmacy he watched, when a pilot zombie attacked me he watched, when I went to look for Clem he stayed behind. Lilly saved me from Danny and Andy(my play through) Stuck by your side no matter what decision my ass. In my playthrough the only one Lilly trusted was me. I bet you played pro-kenny...

        And killing Larry was necessary? I could have saved him. His mouth moved. The LEAST Kenny could have done was hold the salt lick over his head and if he reanimated then drop it.

        Lilly killed Carley because she insulted her. She went off on her. That is the thing about this game. Everyone is different and unique in their own way. But I am sick and tired of people calling Lilly, Bonnie, Dee, etc bitches. I find that is a strong word and it is just so insulting. And then they go out of their way to say I hope that bitch burns in hell like what the f***! That's just cruel...

        • Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again because Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.

          Was Carley holding a gun or pointing it at anyone? No. And yeah, she did nothing not unless you count telling people off as a sign of danger which is nonsense. You're telling me to play that scene? Why do you think Carley told Lilly off? So Carley had no right to defend herself?

          Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.

          She left a little girl for dead, that's no mistake, that's just cowardly and heartless not to mention she didn't have the look of guilt when she was stealing it, she knew what she was doing. You were criticizing Kenny earlier when he did the same with Shawn Greene even though he was trying to get his son to safety and showed remorse yet you you're not giving him the benefit of the doubt as you're doing with Lilly. Oh the Irony!

          Again. None of the TWD characters have had a huge ass brick thing dropped on a parent who is the only thing the person cares about. Carley insults Lilly calling her a scared little bitch. You call that nothing? Swearing in my book is pretty hurtful.

          You must not read the comics if you think that's bad. And yes, I call that nothing and Carley never called her a scared little bitch, she called her a scared little girl and if Lilly wants to act like a bitch then she gets called one. In your book, does swearing get you the death sentence?

          When seeing Kenny. Yes because you wouldn't hug a guy you haven't seen in years. He was in her group. Doesn't matter what he did but that he was there. Seeing someone familiar after years isn't scary even if they did horrible stuff.

          That makes no sense. So she would hug The Stranger or the St Johns because they are familiar faces?

          Okay, So in an apocalypse. One of your group members is a convicted killer. Lets all be friends!!! I love murderers! Larry wants to give murderers his charm!

          What if I told you if Lee killed the Senator because the Senator called him a bitch, would that make things better?

          In all seriousness, isn't that what you're doing with Lilly, "Let's all be friends with the murderers hallelujah".

          Well it seems to me that Kenny swears the most.

          Larry is the one that swears the most.

          Again with the RV. People make mistakes. She probably figured they would use the train and if not then... walk.

          That's real constructive. Why couldn't the lazy bitch walk?

          Yes but a boat? Don't you think other people had the same idea?

          They were out in a middle of the road, they had no where else to go so the boat idea seemed good at the time.

          The car situation was definitely the Stranger's fault...

          That's something we both can agree on.

          Yes but when you return she is concerned. Kenny says something like "We could have left her" and Lilly responds "And let her suffer?" like she disagreed with Kenny. Obviously she said that were not responsible for survivors thing. But this was a different scenario. The girl was bit and shes not much of a survivor in my eyes.

          She always disagrees with Kenny. Don't you remember that she was willing to let Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa & Duck suffer and expect Lee, Mark & Kenny to do the same with Ben? Lilly didn't know she was bitten before questioning Kenny & Lee on their decision to let her suffer. Besides, she wouldn't waste a bullet for living healthy survivors so why would she waste a bullet on bitten infected survivors.

          Yes but Kenny was eager to go looking for a boat, with or without Omid.

          Did he actually leave him behind?

          Stuck with me to the end? HAHA hilarious my friend. Stuck by my side no matter what decisions? That is a good one. I tried to save Larry and guess what? When Danny attacked me he watched, when the door fell on me in the pharmacy he watched, when a pilot zombie attacked me he watched, when I went to look for Clem he stayed behind. Lilly saved me from Danny and Andy(my play through) Stuck by your side no matter what decision my ass. In my playthrough the only one Lilly trusted was me. I bet you played pro-kenny...

          I'm curious, in your playthrough, did Kenny take the boat and run? Nope, I don't think he did. Where was Lilly again? oh that's right, she ditched your ass and is cruising in the RV, yeah she really trusted you didn't she, I thought you two were the best of friends HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Maybe you should play the game with different choices, you'll I notice that Kenny has more positives than negatives while Lilly had only negatives. The bitch didn't give a fuck that her dad tried to kill me and expected me to favors for him, never listened to anybody, killed a close friend(Though I suspect you may have egged Lilly on when she was pointing fingers instead of telling her to keep calm because most Lilly fans have a heavy hatred for Carley) and didn't give a shit, ratted me out as a killer, leaves you for dead and she does this no matter what choices you make with her. I'm sure you got these results even when you played Pro-Lilly.

          And killing Larry was necessary? I could have saved him. His mouth moved. The LEAST Kenny could have done was hold the salt lick over his head and if he reanimated then drop it.

          There was no saving him without the meds he needs, remember Episode 1. Besides, if killing Larry isn't necessary, was killing Carley necessary? because you seem to be more furious with Larry's death than you are with Carley's.

          Lilly killed Carley because she insulted her. She went off on her. That is the thing about this game. Everyone is different and unique in their own way. But I am sick and tired of people calling Lilly, Bonnie, Dee, etc bitches. I find that is a strong word and it is just so insulting. And then they go out of their way to say I hope that bitch burns in hell like what the f***! That's just cruel...

          So by your logic, if a guy gets up in my face and starts giving me a hard time and I call him a dickhead which pisses him off and stabs me, is it my fault that I got stabbed because some asshole couldn't handle the dirt he was dishing out to me? That's because Lilly is one. She committed an evil act as well having a bitchy attitude. Insulting to who? It's not like your calling all women that word only to the person you directed it at. So wanting a murderer dead is cruel now but her killing an innocent person isn't?

          • Jesus Christ, dude! TLDR!

          • In E2 I believe Mark asks. "You got your gun?" Carley replies "Always bring it with me" I thought she would have her gun. Lilly was pointing at anyone either until the last second.

            Well she was in a tight spot. She didn't want to be in a group where everyone knows you killed one of them. She couldn't handle the situation and left without thinking. But it as MY decision. I chose to let her stay. And I will live with the consequences. If she takes off in the RV that is my fault like Lee said "Bringing her was my call, its on me"

            Swearing doesn't deserve a death sentence your right. But Lilly was really pissed. Her dream of staying at the motor inn was ruined and she blamed it on Carley. She hated Carley the most and took all her anger out on her.

            No I meant in the group. EG. She would hug Glenn, Katjaa, Doug, Carley, etc if they return.

            Lilly was a murderer but around the end where she left. So in E1 E2 she was no murderer and I was her friend. Only in the short time of 5 minutes she was a killer and we weren't really friends because we didn't talk much.

            I'm pretty sure Kenny swears the most. He has lived the 2nd longest and has usually been with Clementine all season 1.

            Why would she walk? They would catch her. The RV is a good escape but leaves the group without transportation. I blame Kenny for leaving the keys in there..

            Well its okay I'm just saying.. Look at savannah and tell me boats were a good plan. Seriously it got people killed. It was a good plan at the time.. But wouldn't they go to Fort Lauderdale? That's where Kenny's boat is so why go to Savannah?.

            Stranger is a sad sad man...

            Well we'll never know since she was never there.

            No but that was because there was a bunch of walkers roaming around the mansion.

            That's a lot of ha's :D. Well anyway. I could have died four times and Kenny decided not to help me and if I die then its fine. He was sure by my side. I would be dead in game because holding 5 walkers on a door and escaping is unrealistic. Sure Kenny was by my side but he didn't do shit. Lilly fans hate Carley? Damn man. I love all characters. I have feelings too I was pissed when she shot Carley but the important part is I forgive her. She ratted us out to protect herself. She was trying to make a point that she was trying to protect the group.

            Because I like all characters especially the... different ones. Larry was not a bad guy. Wouldn't they bring the meds? If not then Lilly can just keep him calm while he sits down like in the drugstore?

            Lilly takes after Larry. She inherits his anger issues. Plus no one stepped up to be leader so she has to deal with most of stuff and is probably the most paranoid and stressed out. Lee almost died in the pharmacy because of Larry. Lilly cannot handle these situations like Lee can. She was trying to protect the group. She was trying to kill the betrayer for the good of the group. She failed miserably but that was because Carley was going off on her and Lilly was pissed.

            • In E2 I believe Mark asks. "You got your gun?" Carley replies "Always bring it with me" I thought she would have her gun. Lilly was pointing at anyone either until the last second.

              But the point is. Carley was not threatening anyone with it so or using it at the time so there was no need to shoot her.

              Well she was in a tight spot. She didn't want to be in a group where everyone knows you killed one of them. She couldn't handle the situation and left without thinking. But it as MY decision. I chose to let her stay. And I will live with the consequences. If she takes off in the RV that is my fault like Lee said "Bringing her was my call, its on me"

              Still doesn't take away the fact that she betrays your trust and selfishly leaves everyone for dead.

              Swearing doesn't deserve a death sentence your right. But Lilly was really pissed. Her dream of staying at the motor inn was ruined and she blamed it on Carley. She hated Carley the most and took all her anger out on her.

              There you go then. She's a cowardly bully that takes her anger out on others yet you seem to think this is no big deal.

              No I meant in the group. EG. She would hug Glenn, Katjaa, Doug, Carley, etc if they return.

              So she would hug friends. Why would she hug someone that killed one of her friends and betrayed her guardian?

              Lilly was a murderer but around the end where she left. So in E1 E2 she was no murderer and I was her friend. Only in the short time of 5 minutes she was a killer and we weren't really friends because we didn't talk much.

              But you were on good terms with her but she didn't seem to acknowledge this, so she threw all that friendship you had with her out the window once she killed an innocent person. That tells you a lot about her doesn't it.

              I'm pretty sure Kenny swears the most. He has lived the 2nd longest and has usually been with Clementine all season 1.

              OK even so, how does this make him bad?

              Why would she walk? They would catch her. The RV is a good escape but leaves the group without transportation. I blame Kenny for leaving the keys in there..

              Kenny and the others wanted to ditch her after what she did so why would they waste their time hunting her down if she decided to run off on foot? And yet you still think she cared about the group when she escaped with the only transportation. Yeah blame Kenny, it's not like Lilly knew what she was doing.

              Well its okay I'm just saying.. Look at savannah and tell me boats were a good plan. Seriously it got people killed. It was a good plan at the time.. But wouldn't they go to Fort Lauderdale? That's where Kenny's boat is so why go to Savannah?.

              They were going to wherever the train took them and I think Lee wanted to go there to look for Clem's parents anyway.

              Stranger is a sad sad man...

              Just like Lilly. Both blame others for their fuck ups.

              Well we'll never know since she was never there.

              Come on man, I think you know the answer of what she'll most likely do :)

              No but that was because there was a bunch of walkers roaming around the mansion.

              And he decided to let him rest for the day while he went with Lee to look for the boat. And Walkers roamed around the mansion in Episode 5 while Omid rested in Episode 4.

              That's a lot of ha's :D. Well anyway. I could have died four times and Kenny decided not to help me and if I die then its fine. He was sure by my side. I would be dead in game because holding 5 walkers on a door and escaping is unrealistic. Sure Kenny was by my side but he didn't do shit. Lilly fans hate Carley? Damn man. I love all characters. I have feelings too I was pissed when she shot Carley but the important part is I forgive her. She ratted us out to protect herself. She was trying to make a point that she was trying to protect the group.

              He only left you once in the Pharmacy, I'm not defending Kenny but Lilly also did the same when she refused to help you against Andy St John. No matter what relationship you had with him, he'll help other members of the group and not threaten others unlike Lilly who only looked out for herself. I didn't say you hate Carley but most Lilly fans do. How can you forgive her for shooting Carley when she herself didn't think she did anything wrong? She ratted you out to take the heat off herself by throwing you under the bus, she tried to drag you down.

              Because I like all characters especially the... different ones. Larry was not a bad guy. Wouldn't they bring the meds? If not then Lilly can just keep him calm while he sits down like in the drugstore?

              She had a chance to calm him down but instead she was throwing up and he had a heart attack. Lilly should've brought the meds but she's careless. She can keep him calm if she can bring him back to life which was impossible at that point. Not a bad guy? Larry tied to kill you after you save his life.

              Lilly takes after Larry. She inherits his anger issues. Plus no one stepped up to be leader so she has to deal with most of stuff and is probably the most paranoid and stressed out. Lee almost died in the pharmacy because of Larry. Lilly cannot handle these situations like Lee can. She was trying to protect the group. She was trying to kill the betrayer for the good of the group. She failed miserably but that was because Carley was going off on her and Lilly was pissed.

              How do we know no one wanted to be leader? Was there a voting system? If she can't handle situations like Lee can then maybe she should've stepped down. Trying to kill the betrayer to protect the group? All she did was choose a random person, throw out insults then pulls the trigger. She never cared about the groups interest, only used the traitor excuse because she had a petty grudge against someone who never did anything to her. She would've killed Carley anyway even if she never went off on her, Ben never stood up to her yet she pulled the trigger on him.

              • She wasn't waving it around but neither was Lilly. Lilly was threatening Ben and Carley yes but later Carley says a bunch of insults to Lilly which Lilly just won't handle and shoots her because she was so mad at the time.

                Lilly didn't think that. She says "It won't be easier out on the road!" so I get the feeling she thinks they're all screwed anyway. However stealing the RV was a bad move on her part. Also Kenny states "The radiator is f***ing hosed anyway" so they would still end up on the road in the middle of no where. I think its no big deal because I know other people who do the same and its their way of expressing themselves for bad or for good.

                No point talking about the hug if your not convinced Lilly is not so bad,

                She was basically a prisoner. If you had killed someone (not saying you would or will) what would you do in her situation? Stay with the group where everyone hates you?

                I don't like swearing and now in S2 Clem swears sometimes. She's a little girl and she's swearing. I hardly swore when I was her age and she can swear in S2 like what 5 times? This is just my opinion but seeing a 11 year old girl swear is not cool for me. I know its the zombie apocalypse but I wouldn't swear. But that was how I was raised. Swearing was a no-no but sorry if you disagree with me here.

                She was angry. I guess she wasn't thinking about her actions but if she then I blame it on the stress and anger. You probably will say that is no excuse well that's my excuse.

                Ah Okay.

                Could you tell me what was Lilly's fuck ups and who she blamed it on? Only ones I can think of is stealing the RV. I think shes taking the blame because they all know its her. As for the supply stealing. It was Ben's fault. Lilly blames it on Carley cause she hates her. And she trusts Lee, and Kenny's family because they have kids. But Carley was insulting her while Ben just stood there panicking. Obviously she would kill the one who is calling her names.

                If Lilly is such a killer than she would shoot the woman.

                When EP4 starts Kenny doesn't really care when Christa says Omid needs to rest. But I'm going to drop this one since Omid got to rest even though Kenny was in a hurry to get a boat.

                He also left watched when I was fighting Danny. He didn't help me because I was a dick to him. But I'm confused. In E1 he helps you up and says "I won't let anyone else die today, even if hes an asshole" if you were bad to him. And then In E2 I was an asshole and he watches me getting closer and closer to death. I would help even if the guys and asshole. EX. Larry was kind of an asshole yet I try to save him. Well I am a Lilly fan so I assumed you thought I hated Carley. I forgive her because I understand her pain, anger, sorrow, and mistakes. In my religion we are taught to forgive others and if we do not then no one should forgive us. But Lilly wasn't pure evil. She had a lot of shit racing through her head and as leader she has to deal with most of the problems. She tried to drag me down to save her own skin. She panicked and didn't want to die so she tried to protect herself. And seriously Lee should have told them even if you chose Doug. I would have told them I was a killer. EX. "I don't know who you are or what you did. Lets say things get bad in the cities and they get worse before they do. Your going to have to depend on the honesty of strangers and if those same people get to questioning yours then your going to be in trouble" Hershel approves of honesty.

                So? She forgot. I forget things to don't you? BTW that should have been Larry's job since he was the one that needed the meds but everyone was hungry and were only thinking about food. Larry knows your a killer. He can't trust you. Even if you save his life he could still think you were trying to earn trust from the group. He tries to kill you to protect the group even though he doesn't know if you are good or bad. But in the end he couldn't take that kind of risk and decided you had to go. And in my play through he tried to save me so that kind of made up for it.

                Because we never saw anyone step up saying I don't want you as leader. No one said they didn't want Lilly as leader except Kenny. Yes she should have stepped down but she was sure that she was running things okay since no one was complaining except Kenny. Nobody takes Kenny's side. Not even his wife! Everyone just stands there and watch them argue. Choose a random person? I disagree. And NO I did not "egg her on" to somebody. I actually tried to take the blame by saying I did it. But Lilly knows man she says "You can be a real piece of shit but you wouldn't do that. Not with her in your life" meaning Clementine. She assumes the same with Kenny, Katjaa, since they have Duck. Carley and Ben are the suspects.Carley is throwing insults at her and Ben is trying to defend himself. She's getting the most heat from Carley and whichever person she kills is 50% chance the killer. She killed Carley out of anger and since she was one of the suspects it would be a win win for Lilly. Never cared about the groups interest? She tries to convince Lee to leave the dairy and take the food to go since the St Johns were suspicious and she was right! If they listened to her then they might have not lost Larry. They would want to bring Mark and then find Mark legless and do whatever they want to the St Johns and leave. Again she was insulting Lilly and was one of the two suspects and since she held a grudge on her it was again a win win situation for Lilly. Now if you save Doug she will shoot Ben because she has nothing against Doug and Ben was panicking.

                How do you make those white boxes of my text in them? Does it take long?

                • She wasn't waving it around but neither was Lilly. Lilly was threatening Ben and Carley yes but later Carley says a bunch of insults to Lilly which Lilly just won't handle and shoots her because she was so mad at the time.

                  Then there's no reason to shoot her now is there. Again, you're acting like it's normal to kill someone over a petty insult that they asked for.

                  Lilly didn't think that. She says "It won't be easier out on the road!" so I get the feeling she thinks they're all screwed anyway. However stealing the RV was a bad move on her part. Also Kenny states "The radiator is f***ing hosed anyway" so they would still end up on the road in the middle of no where. I think its no big deal because I know other people who do the same and its their way of expressing themselves for bad or for good.

                  She says it wont be easy but makes it difficult for others by taking the life of a useful group member than leaves them for dead by taking the RV mind you that she didn't know that radiator was busted so for all she knew, she took a perfectly good vehicle and you think it's no big deal that someone leaves a child to die and you know people like that?

                  No point talking about the hug if your not convinced Lilly is not so bad,

                  All I'm saying it doesn't make sense for Clem to hug someone as cold and cruel like Lilly.

                  She was basically a prisoner. If you had killed someone (not saying you would or will) what would you do in her situation? Stay with the group where everyone hates you?

                  If I was scared out of my life, I would leave but I wouldn't take something that screws the group I apparently care about and put them in danger, I would leave on foot with dignity or I stay and learn my punishment. I'd probably wouldn't blame them if they wanted to execute me because you can't go around and shoot people that defend themselves against bullying.

                  I don't like swearing and now in S2 Clem swears sometimes. She's a little girl and she's swearing. I hardly swore when I was her age and she can swear in S2 like what 5 times? This is just my opinion but seeing a 11 year old girl swear is not cool for me. I know its the zombie apocalypse but I wouldn't swear. But that was how I was raised. Swearing was a no-no but sorry if you disagree with me here.

                  I don't like swearing either but still does not warrant a death penalty.

                  She was angry. I guess she wasn't thinking about her actions but if she then I blame it on the stress and anger. You probably will say that is no excuse well that's my excuse.

                  She's not the only one going through a crisis in the ZA.

                  Could you tell me what was Lilly's fuck ups and who she blamed it on? Only ones I can think of is stealing the RV. I think shes taking the blame because they all know its her. As for the supply stealing. It was Ben's fault. Lilly blames it on Carley cause she hates her. And she trusts Lee, and Kenny's family because they have kids.

                  For one, stupidly putting Ben on watch then saying afterwards she "never" trusted him but yet gave him such an important job, she made the decision to stay at the motel even with the bandit threat lurking in the woods and you may blame Ben for stealing but the supplies were in Lilly's room but an idiot like Ben stole supplies from right under her nose.

                  But Carley was insulting her while Ben just stood there panicking. Obviously she would kill the one who is calling her names.

                  Yeah this doesn't help your case when you're trying to prove that Lilly is a good person. You pretty much confirmed that Lilly is a loose canon that needs to be put down because she feels that she has the right to kill people over mindless name calling!

                  If Lilly is such a killer than she would shoot the woman.

                  Think about it man. Back in Episode 1, she had no problem leaving Lee, Kenny, Clem, Katjaa & Duck out in the streets to be devoured and then going off on Carley & Glenn for saving them. And she went off on Lee, Kenny & Mark for saving Ben as she expected them to leave him in Episode 2. So I ask you, a Lilly fan, would she do anything to save that poor woman or even use a bullet to put her out of her misery? even though she couldn't use any bullets to help Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa & Duck.

                  He also left watched when I was fighting Danny. He didn't help me because I was a dick to him. But I'm confused. In E1 he helps you up and says "I won't let anyone else die today, even if hes an asshole" if you were bad to him. And then In E2 I was an asshole and he watches me getting closer and closer to death. I would help even if the guys and asshole. EX. Larry was kind of an asshole yet I try to save him. Well I am a Lilly fan so I assumed you thought I hated Carley. I forgive her because I understand her pain, anger, sorrow, and mistakes. In my religion we are taught to forgive others and if we do not then no one should forgive us. But Lilly wasn't pure evil. She had a lot of shit racing through her head and as leader she has to deal with most of the problems. She tried to drag me down to save her own skin. She panicked and didn't want to die so she tried to protect herself. And seriously Lee should have told them even if you chose Doug. I would have told them I was a killer. EX. "I don't know who you are or what you did. Lets say things get bad in the cities and they get worse before they do. Your going to have to depend on the honesty of strangers and if those same people get to questioning yours then your going to be in trouble" Hershel approves of honesty.

                  He said he wont let anyone die "today". And what do you mean Larry was kind of an Asshole? That son of a bitch tried to murder Lee. You're one of the few Lilly fans that don't hate Carley but that's good to know you don't hate her just because Lilly does as most Lilly fans hate her for some odd known reason. You're talking about forgiveness but how can you forgive someone who thinks they did nothing wrong and took away the life of someone as kind as Carley and wasn't even sorry for it? I'll name another leader who went through things much worse than Lilly and still had ti deal with problems, his name is Rick Grimes. She tried to drag you down to save her own skin so what does that tell you about her? a true friend would never do that and she knew she wasn't gonna die because they made no mention of executing her. The thing is, Doug didn't know Lee was a killer so Lee put that past behind, I think they wanted to give both Doug & Carley different outcomes for Lee when you choose one of them so that they're not the same.

                  So? She forgot. I forget things to don't you? BTW that should have been Larry's job since he was the one that needed the meds but everyone was hungry and were only thinking about food. Larry knows your a killer. He can't trust you. Even if you save his life he could still think you were trying to earn trust from the group. He tries to kill you to protect the group even though he doesn't know if you are good or bad. But in the end he couldn't take that kind of risk and decided you had to go. And in my play through he tried to save me so that kind of made up for it.

                  If your father has a severe medical problems, you shouldn't forget about things like these especially since he goes off on people once in a while. It's not the responsibility of others, they give a shit about a prick like him, your all he's got. And how did he try to save you? The Axe thing, of course he's not gonna let you die in front of all those people.

                  Because we never saw anyone step up saying I don't want you as leader. No one said they didn't want Lilly as leader except Kenny. Yes she should have stepped down but she was sure that she was running things okay since no one was complaining except Kenny. Nobody takes Kenny's side. Not even his wife! Everyone just stands there and watch them argue. Choose a random person? I disagree. And NO I did not "egg her on" to somebody. I actually tried to take the blame by saying I did it. But Lilly knows man she says "You can be a real piece of shit but you wouldn't do that. Not with her in your life" meaning Clementine. She assumes the same with Kenny, Katjaa, since they have Duck. Carley and Ben are the suspects.Carley is throwing insults at her and Ben is trying to defend himself. She's getting the most heat from Carley and whichever person she kills is 50% chance the killer. She killed Carley out of anger and since she was one of the suspects it would be a win win for Lilly. Never cared about the groups interest? She tries to convince Lee to leave the dairy and take the food to go since the St Johns were suspicious and she was right! If they listened to her then they might have not lost Larry. They would want to bring Mark and then find Mark legless and do whatever they want to the St Johns and leave. Again she was insulting Lilly and was one of the two suspects and since she held a grudge on her it was again a win win situation for Lilly. Now if you save Doug she will shoot Ben because she has nothing against Doug and Ben was panicking.

                  Kenny and Lee(determinant), that's more than enough. She couldn't stand not being in charge. Others didn't want to get involved. You saw how Mark got fed up with talking some sense into Lilly. Nobody takes Lilly's side either. And she calls you a piece of shit, yeah she's a real friend that thinks of you like that. She suspected Carley & Ben but it didn't mean that either of the two were guilty and she had no right to kill anyone. You're acting like Carley threw insults at her for no reason, Carley was trying to be calm but Lilly kept pushing her. Who was the leader again? Why couldn't she have just taken charge and told the group to leave the farm besides it was her idea to go to the farm in the first pace plus she ignored Kenny's suspicion about the farm. You keep saying Lilly was justified because Carley insulted her, if Clem called Lilly names and Lilly shoots her, is it Clems fault because Lilly is an out of control bitch? It's not a win win situation, she just pointed a finger at her and decided that she needed to die because she's a murderous coward.

                  How do you make those white boxes of my text in them? Does it take long?

                  It's called a quote box. It doesn't take a long, when you're writing a reply, the small boxes just above your text box that have B I

                  The seventh box from the left and the second box from your right, that's the quote box, highlight the message you want to quote then click on the box then once you post the reply, the small white boxes will be displayed on whichever comment you wanted to quote. It would make it easier considering I have to go back to my previous message to see which comment you replied to.

                  • When I press quote and text is highlighted all I get is this >

                    Anyway.

                    Lilly was so angry because they lost the motor inn and that there was a traitor so she took out her anger on Carley because she was the one insulting her at the time. Shooting her was not the way to do it but it is what it is.

                    I'm saying I know people who would have taken the RV. You wouldn't possibly escape on foot as the group was sitting on logs right outside and would have seen her escaping. I brought her here and I obviously wouldn't let her leave so I would have caught her and brought her back.

                    Well I guess she might not hug Lilly but I'm trying to convince people that her actions are justified and she is not a "psycho bitch"

                    Again I wouldn't let her go. I would bring her back and she probably knows it because why would I bring her then? If she wanted to walk she could have asked to stay behind. Therefore her only way of escape is the RV.

                    I know. I'm just saying I think Kenny swears the most or hes like top 10 most swearing person in TWDG.

                    Shes the only one who lost family and recently. Lee had Clem, Kenny had Katjaa and Duck. Carley and Ben were on there own. Shes the only one who knows what happened to her family and witnessed it. She watched her dad's head get crushed in by a salt lick a couple days ago and she was still in mourning and was pissed at Kenny.

                    The bandits haven't been attacking for days. Obviously things have quieted down and she assumed they had given up. Ben wasn't contributing much so she put him on watch since not much was going on. And she wouldn't need to protect the supplies if Ben wasn't stealing them.

                    I would think she would. At the motor inn she gave me the idea that she would have shot her. If not she's no worse then Kenny is.

                    Again she was angry and stressed. How would you feel if a traitor was in your group and you lost your "home" because of one of them.

                    Lee was a killer. Who wants a killer in their group? Trust is important and Larry didn't like Lee because he was a killer. He didn't have to go as far as killing him but what's done is done. You have no proof that she doesn't feel guilty. She never tells us. But by her facial expressions I had assumed she felt stupid and knew she messed up big time. If you were in that situation would you tell them about Lee or not? You know they could do anything. NOBODY wants to be left on the side of the road to die. It helped to make her seem less bad. I'm actually glad she told them because Lee should have told them anyway.

                    Yeah well if he is a real dick and asshole as you say then he wouldn't try to help me in the first place. Bad move on Telltale's part because how can a guy with heart problems forget his pills? I would like to think that maybe they had it in their pockets and the St Johns confiscated it before putting them in the meatlocker.

                    When did she call you a piece of shit? I don't think I got that. She knew no one would want to leave the farm. They were all really hungry and no one would listen to her. As usual no one likes Lilly so no one would agree with her especially Kenny. If you don't like her leadership then leave! I don't see why they Kenny hates Lilly so much but he stays for some reason. She wouldn't shoot Clem. Clementine is a little girl and No one would shoot her not even Lilly or Larry, or Carver. Murdering Carley was dumb but at the time it seemed a good idea. She would kill a potential traitor and someone she hates.

                    I'm not saying Lilly is a good person. I'm trying to say that she is not a bad person. In my eyes her actions were justified. That is my opinion and I will stick by it. If you or anyone else disagrees I respect that. If you think she is a bitch, coward, and murderer, then fine. I see where Lilly haters are coming from and I understand that she is not likable as Kenny, Lee, and Clementine. If you decide to be mean to her and leave her for dead if you ever get the chance then fine it is the player's choice after all.

                    • When I press quote and text is highlighted all I get is this >

                      Oh I forgot to mention, that'll come up when you hit the quote button, it means you're sentence is quoted, it'll look like that but once you post the reply, it'll come up in a white box.

                      Lilly was so angry because they lost the motor inn and that there was a traitor so she took out her anger on Carley because she was the one insulting her at the time. Shooting her was not the way to do it but it is what it is.

                      It is what it is? Really? That's your defense for her? She's not the only one to have lost that motor inn and shooting someone just for "insulting" you even though you insulted that person is not a good reason to murder them. Woulds you give police officers the same benefit of the doubt if they started shooting people for looking at them funny?

                      I'm saying I know people who would have taken the RV. You wouldn't possibly escape on foot as the group was sitting on logs right outside and would have seen her escaping. I brought her here and I obviously wouldn't let her leave so I would have caught her and brought her back.

                      You'd know people that leave a little girl for dead? I would escape on foot knowing the people that tied me wouldn't give a damn about chasing after me as they already recommended kicking my ass out already. You'd be too busy concentrating on the train to babysit her and the way I see it, there are 3 options on what to do with her, 1) Kill her 2) leave her 3) Bring her, Lilly chose option 2 as she already made the decision that she didn't want to be part of the group and none of the group recommended option 1 in executing her but chose option 2 in leaving her so if she wanted to fuck off, they would've gladly let her go but robbing the only transport vehicle and leaving them to die was not part of it.

                      Well I guess she might not hug Lilly but I'm trying to convince people that her actions are justified and she is not a "psycho bitch"

                      There's no justifying in killing a kind hearted woman for no reason other than your own personal vendetta and leaving the group to die when she was the one in the wrong.

                      Again I wouldn't let her go. I would bring her back and she probably knows it because why would I bring her then? If she wanted to walk she could have asked to stay behind. Therefore her only way of escape is the RV.

                      She could've stayed behind if she asked? Did you even choose the option of telling her she's not coming with them? She didn't want to stay behind as you can tell if you had chosen that option, she tried protesting that decision. So you'd keep her there against her will? as a prisoner and waste valuable food on her? even with the others suggesting to leave her behind? Like I said, the others wouldn't give a shit if she ran off on foot neither will Lee as it's not in him to keep someone as psychotic as her around Clem against her will.

                      I know. I'm just saying I think Kenny swears the most or hes like top 10 most swearing person in TWDG.

                      Lilly also swears too if you didn't notice.

                      Shes the only one who lost family and recently. Lee had Clem, Kenny had Katjaa and Duck. Carley and Ben were on there own. Shes the only one who knows what happened to her family and witnessed it. She watched her dad's head get crushed in by a salt lick a couple days ago and she was still in mourning and was pissed at Kenny.

                      Lee lost his family too you know, he had to use an axe to put his undead brother out of his misery. Kenny later lost Katjaa & Duck and I gonna bring some comic characters into this, one character watched his wife & baby daughter get gunned down in front of him, one farm girl witnessed her siblings getting devoured and witnessed her husband getting his head smashed with a baseball bat, one playboy witnessed his mother get her throat slit by a wife beater, one woman witnessed her sister die in front of her, one elderly man lost his wife and many many more. If Lee, Kenny and those other character who lost their loved ones refrain themselves from murdering an innocent person, what's Lilly's excuse?

                      The bandits haven't been attacking for days. Obviously things have quieted down and she assumed they had given up. Ben wasn't contributing much so she put him on watch since not much was going on. And she wouldn't need to protect the supplies if Ben wasn't stealing them.

                      But as a leader, didn't she stop and think "why aren't they attacking?" plus she never had a back up plan in case they do attack. She stated afterwards she never trusted Ben but she thought it was a good idea to give him the most important job that keeps the group safe. Lilly recently figured out that someone was stealing supplies and it seems Ben's been doing it for a while but yet she didn't notice it before which indicates she kept the supplies for her own agenda plus the fact that an idiot like Ben stole supplies from her room and it took her a week to find out proves how incompetent she is.

                      I would think she would. At the motor inn she gave me the idea that she would have shot her. If not she's no worse then Kenny is.

                      She only said that to make you look bad, yep she's a real friend alright. She's shown before she wouldn't help others even to put them out of their misery so why would the screaming woman be any different?

                      Again she was angry and stressed. How would you feel if a traitor was in your group and you lost your "home" because of one of them.

                      Well first I'll take responsibility that if I hadn't been so lazy, the loss wouldn't be so bad because I would have the supplies and the motel ran it's course anyway and If I guarded the supplies properly, the outcome would've been different. Second, if I wanted to shoot the traitor, I'd make sure I got the right person instead of shooting someone that doesn't want me bullying them.

                      Lee was a killer. Who wants a killer in their group? Trust is important and Larry didn't like Lee because he was a killer. He didn't have to go as far as killing him but what's done is done. You have no proof that she doesn't feel guilty. She never tells us. But by her facial expressions I had assumed she felt stupid and knew she messed up big time. If you were in that situation would you tell them about Lee or not? You know they could do anything. NOBODY wants to be left on the side of the road to die. It helped to make her seem less bad. I'm actually glad she told them because Lee should have told them anyway.

                      No one wants a killer in their group but she kept that killer with them for 3 Months and gotten to know him and saw that he's not a threat. She could've at least said "Sorry for ratting you out" but no, she didn't feel guilty she was already making that facial expression before you ratted you out, she had plenty of time to tell us especially on the RV when you take that bitch with you. Would I tell them about Lee's secret if I was in her situation? No I wouldn't, after everything he's done for you, siding with me and helping save my dad who tried to kill him, outing him out as a killer just to drag him to level after I commit a sinister crime would be a piece of shit thing to do, it's called being a friend, looks like Lilly didn't have the same perspective. I'd understand if she ratted him out if he was against her the whole time but she does even if you were nice to her. In case you didn't know, Lilly will reveal that you're a killer "after" you decide to let her back in the RV so it seems her putting you in that position was not for the purpose of not being left on the road since she was already allowed to get back in the RV but to make you look bad because she's a backstabbing weasel. It didn't help her to make her seem less bad.

                      Yeah well if he is a real dick and asshole as you say then he wouldn't try to help me in the first place. Bad move on Telltale's part because how can a guy with heart problems forget his pills? I would like to think that maybe they had it in their pockets and the St Johns confiscated it before putting them in the meatlocker.

                      He's not gonna let you die in front of all those people. I doubt the St Johns would confiscate pills because they need their food source to be healthy & alive so if dies and reanimates, they'd lose their food source as he'd already eaten the others.

                      When did she call you a piece of shit? I don't think I got that. She knew no one would want to leave the farm. They were all really hungry and no one would listen to her. As usual no one likes Lilly so no one would agree with her especially Kenny. If you don't like her leadership then leave! I don't see why they Kenny hates Lilly so much but he stays for some reason. She wouldn't shoot Clem. Clementine is a little girl and No one would shoot her not even Lilly or Larry, or Carver. Murdering Carley was dumb but at the time it seemed a good idea. She would kill a potential traitor and someone she hates.

                      If you take the blame, she calls you a piece of shit, after everything you'd done for her, that's what she thinks of you. She's the leader, she didn't even try to evacuate everyone off the farm, heck, she wanted to look the other way and ignored Kenny when he's suspicious of them, she never listens to anyone. Where would Kenny go at that time? He wanted to leave but the RV was not working at the time. Since she had the heart to leave Clem for dead, it'd be no surprise if she'll shoot her as you've been saying this whole time, she shoots people that insults her because she's a loon. How is killing the useful kind and popular member of the group with no proof a good idea? You just said she used the traitor excuse to shoot someone she didn't like, to me she didn't care about finding the traitor but used it as an excuse to do what she did.

                      I'm not saying Lilly is a good person. I'm trying to say that she is not a bad person. In my eyes her actions were justified. That is my opinion and I will stick by it. If you or anyone else disagrees I respect that. If you think she is a bitch, coward, and murderer, then fine. I see where Lilly haters are coming from and I understand that she is not likable as Kenny, Lee, and Clementine. If you decide to be mean to her and leave her for dead if you ever get the chance then fine it is the player's choice after all.

                      She killed an innocent person for no reason then left people for dead and yet that's still not enough for some people to believe that she's "bad" and are trying to justify her actions? This is what I don't understand. None of the arguments you made got me to question my opinion of her. If the Stranger is considered bad, why isn't she? Yes it is the players choice but we can't make the characters we play as whether it's Lee or Clem like someone that they don't want to like or hate someone they don't want to hate. This is why I hope Clem has a hostile attitude against her because in her view, what Lilly did was more despicable & cruel than anything Kenny has done.

                      • Obviously there is no convincing you, the people up voting you, and the people down voting me. If my opinion is so invalid then I see this must be pretty pointless. I'm tired of arguing and I don't want to anymore. I just try to defend any character in the game because they're all so awesome and unique. Hell I would even defend Dee. Your opinion is your opinion and I respect that you think Lilly is whatever she is. I just hate to see people picking on her and people like Ben all the time. If Lilly returns go ahead and be mean or leave her for dead.

                        So I guess you could say you won. Thank you for your input on Lilly.

    • Wow 13 likes?... So are those Lilly fans? I thought Lilly fans died...

      Edit: My supporting posts are down voted yet my main is up voted... So not Lilly fans then what?

      Edit 2: When I do Lilly posts and say come on down votes, I get up votes. I guess the trolls pay attention!

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      I agree man. In fact, I ended up siding with Lilly more than Kenny in season 1. She always had good points when it came to her arguments between Kenny. I was sure that the ITYWD person was gonna be Lilly, I was even preparing for it. Then I saw Kenny (which I was still EXTREMELY happy over), but I was kind of surprised that it wasn't Lilly. Either way. I'm sure Lilly will return later in season 2. Telltale makes sure we don't know if people actually dead for a reason. Just like the #1 rule in The Walking Dead, no one is ever confirmed dead unless you see a body.

      (Sorry if there were a lot of typos or mistakes, I'm on my Kindle Fire at the moment).

    • Thanks ! Thanks a lot ! You said what I wasnt able to say.

      I love you for that :p

      • Wow thank you and Deceptio for agreeing with me! The Kenny fans do however have some very valid points and honestly Lilly was probably supposed to be hated but I try to see the good side.

        • I don't think anybody was supposed to be hated (except the obvious villains ofcourse). Telltale gave everybody (good) reasons for their actions.

          Unfortunately for Lilly Larry was such an asshole that it's hard to imagine why Lilly lost it after he died. Had he been a nice guy I think more people would have been sympathetic towards Lilly.

    • I can't see why the Lilly fans can't tell the difference between:

      A. Killing a man for sleeping with your wife.
      B. Making sure a DEAD man (yes, he wasn't breathing and had no heart rate) doesn't turn into a walker.
      C. Shooting someone in the head because you suspect they MAY have possibly taken some supplies.

      There is no way to justify the murder of Carley. If she had shot Ben I may have felt different.

      • A) How does an affair justify murder?
        B) He was obviously breathing as he was moving to talk and you can't very well talk without being able to breathe. Kenny could have waited to see if he'd turn before dropping the hammer. He did not.
        C) There is no justifying her murder, but the theft of the supplies put the group in serious danger. It ended up losing the group its home and getting one member of the group bit. It was extremely serious.

        Sometimes I wonder if Lilly knew Duck got bit; she was the lookout and she probably could have seen it happening. But this is idle speculation.

        Frankly, there's no justifying any of these. And yet...

    • Yes, death to all who opposes Larry!

      ... And Lilly I suppose. Damn I thought for sure she was coming back when you had the option to tell Alvin about her :/

  • When did Lilly ever scare Clem except for when shooting Carley?

    She protected Clem at the dairy, she gave her presents (the hair thingies) and she took the time to talk with Clem (as seen on the Jolene video), she was on Clem's side when it came to taking stuff from the car.

    Although I would have preferred her return over Kenny's, I don't want her to return.
    In my opinion season 2 is already leaning too much on season 1 for emotional scenes. It's time season 2 did it's own thing.

  • Well it would be nice to see a familiar face...

  • There's so much more Telltale can do with her character, I think it would be a waste of her character to keep her MIA.

    • This is true, though I still actively hate her, I'd really like to see her return because she was an interesting character.

    • Now that's something i agree with. I hate that bitch, but i do want her back (in a way), because her character hasn't really been fully explored. Who knows maybe that back-stabbing, selfish, heartless bitch from season one has been moulded (moulded?) after having time to herself to think, into a lovable character.......i highly doubt it, but hay-ho you never know. Also now kenny is returned it would be interesting to see how those two get along now after 2 years.

  • Bringing Lilly back would make the story more interesting. Especially since Kenny is now back. Since both have done bad things, both of them could be holding the other's secret over their head (Kenny killed Larry, Lilly killed Carley/Doug) and we could see if either of them decide to rat the other out to the new characters. Plus, if Lilly is a part of Carver's community, I'd like to see her abuse her position when she finds out Kenny has been captured and use it to make him pay for what he did to Larry. Not because I hate Kenny, but it would be a really interesting situation since one of them would have all the power, and the other would have none.

  • I'm eager for her return so I can shoot her.

    • That's a little harsh. I mean, she did pretty much the same as what Lee did to the person having an affair with his wife.

      • Its not the same thing at all. Again, not justifying Lee's actions, but its not the same.

        • Why not?

          I mean, Lilly was in an extremely delicate mental state, the group[ tried to drive off without her, Carley was insulting her..

          I mean, I don't like Lilly that much. I'm a kenny guy through and through. But I can sympathise with why she had a sudden burst of anger. And that's just what Lee had as well: a sudden burst of anger. It doesn't make lee a bad guy who should be killed on sight.

          • What? The group never tried to drive off without her. I'm assuming you're talking about when the group was fleeing the motor inn.. but they gave her enough time to get on board, Kenny even waited until basically the last possible second. And even though she was in a delicate mental state, that doesn't justify shooting a valued group member in the face just because they had said something mean to her. Carley/Doug were good people who did not deserve death. At least the guy Lee killed was a scumbag who had greatly personally wronged him.. and from what we hear in the game he didn't even mean to do it. I'm not saying his actions were justified, but its a completely different situation from what Lilly did. You're looking at this situation in black and white.

            Lilly's actions were not too far out of character, where as Lee's actions were very out of character.

            • They started driving when she was up on the railing, and were moving forward before she got in!

              Kenny even says 'Leave her!'

              Do we know the guy lee killed was a scumbag? Are we certain that he knew Lee's wife was married? Are we certain that they weren't actually in love, but Lee's wife was scared to break it off with Lee?

              • Kenny never said that, at least not while they were in the RV. He said it right after Katjaa and Duck were attacked by a walker. I'd expect him to be a little antsy after that. And yes, they started driving. So what? That's smart. Should they have waited until she was in the vehicle before getting moving? Come on.. they waited around as long as they could. I really don't think it was issue with anyone.

                I suppose the senator may not have known that Lee's wife was married. Either way, it doesn't change much. The situations are still vastly different.

                • Sorry to let you down, but yes, he did:

                  Quote from the wiki:

                  'The bandits later attacked the Motor Inn, and the group fled in the RV. Still hostile toward Lilly, Kenny called for Lee to leave her behind, but she eventually got in the vehicle. After Lilly killed either Doug or Carley, he once against insisted that she was left behind, and Lee can either agree or disagree with him. It was then that Katjaa revealed that Duck had been bitten during the attack.'

                  If that isn't enough, it happens at 42:58 in this video:

                  Kenny: 'Screw her! Let her stay!'

                  And they didn't wait 'as long as they could': walkers were no where near the rv at that time. They easily had another 20 seconds.

                  • You're stretching so hard..

                    Like I said in my post above, he said it right after Katjaa and Duck got tackled by a walker. Duck got bit in the process. Do you really think Kenny would want to stick around after that? That's why he said what he said. No one was even in the RV at that point. Carly and Lee stuck around to kill walkers awhile longer after. Even before driving off, Lee told Lilly it was her last chance to get down to the RV. They told her they were leaving and she needed to get down there. They started to get going (like smart people) and Lilly had enough time to get inside. Its not like they were just ditching her without warning. She would have zero reason to be offended. And no, they did not have another 20 seconds to get out of there. The place was getting swarmed. They would have to be stupid to stick around that long.

                    • 'You're stretching so hard'

                      Dude...come on, you specifically said 'Kenny never said that'. I think you're being a bit mean.

                      And ben, Katjaa, Clementine and duck were in the RV.

                      • I'm talking about your theory of Lilly being offended about "them leaving her behind".

                        I said Kenny never said that while they were in the RV. He said it because Duck and Katjaa just got tackled by a walker. Do you honestly think he would want to stick around for anyone at that point?

      • Except Carley wasn't having an affair with Lilly's wife. Lee killed someone that I had no emotional investment in, and it was prior to the apocalypse. In the apocalypse every life matters so much more for a group. I also think the person Lee killed had it coming, and before you try to call me a sexist or anything of the sort, if the character of Lee was a female and she killed a senator for the same reason I'd feel exactly the same way.

        Lilly was a stubborn and angry person to the entire group, with the exception to Larry and to a lesser extent Clem. Lilly also shot one of Clem's best friends, and someone she knew her beloved caretaker Lee was quite fond of. Lilly didn't save anyone by doing so, or even think she was saving anyone. Lee regretted what he did and actively sought redemption. Lilly swore Carley was stealing from them, there was no regret. Plus, if you don't have the heart to leave her she will just leave you no matter how nice you are to her. So while it's pretty much the same, in that they both murdered someone, Lilly is a much worse offender in my eyes, and I want to shoot her.

        • Yes, but Lilly was also in a more delicate mental state than Lee at the time. Namely that her father was killed gruesomely in front of her, and that the group tried to abandon her at the motor inn after she just saved them.

          • Delicate mental state or not, she did what she did, and I want to shoot her.

            Kenny was in a delicate mental state since episode 3 when his wife blew her brains out right in front of him, and then Lee shoots his dying son. Despite this he still did his best for the rest of the season to try and save the group. He even sacrificed his life for another group member while in that delicate mental state.

            • Yes, but Lee also did what he did, and he wasn't in that much of a mental state.

              Kenny tells you to kill Ben after he confesses that he killed his wife and son, and he threatens to kill Ben just as it happens (another burst of anger, prevented only by lee holding him back).

              And sure Kenny may forgive him, but he never actually tells him that.

              In fact, if you do what Kenny wants you to (drop Ben), then he doesn't exactly forgive him.

              • As I said, Lee killed the senator off screen. I had no emotional investment in that senator, and as I said, I think he deserved what he got. A sleazy senator cheating with someone's spouse; if they are doing that what else are they doing while in office? It was rash, but I don't disagree with Lee's decision, even though that doesn't justify it. Kenny had an outburst of anger at Ben, who was at fault. Ben was actually at fault, as was the senator Lee killed.

                Lilly had a burst of anger at Carley, who was simply defending herself from the self-nominated inquisitor. If Lilly shot Kenny I would understand her better. As it is she murdered an innocent woman, and I want to shoot her. Lilly wanted justice for the stolen supplies; I want justice for her shooting the wrong person.

                • Just because you have no personal emotional investment in the person doesn't make their murder less of a crime.

                  'I think he got what he deserved': So you think we should kill people who have affairs? That's not cool dude...

                  Carley didn't need to call Lilly a 'scared little girl' did she? She didn't need to imply that Lilly had never helped anyone, even though Lilly had been doing her best to keep them all alive. She didn't need to make Lilly feel like absolute shit after trying to help the group.

                  I don't at all agree with Lilly, and I think she deserves punishment. But I don't think murdering her for that is the right answer.

                  • I never said "I think we should kill people who have affairs." I never said that, I said, "I don't disagree with Lee's decision, even though that doesn't justify it." Those are WAY different statements. I also didn't say it wasn't a crime, you are putting words in my mouth now. Not cool dude.

                    Lilly didn't need to accuse and threaten Carley did she? She didn't need to make Carley feel threatened and unwelcome, and like absolute shit after trying to help the group.

                    Here we are at the end of another post, and I want to shoot her still. I think it's the right answer.

                    • Dude, I quoted the bit about affairs.

                      You said 'I think he got what he deserved'. He was killed, ergo you think he deserved to be killed.

                      • I still didn't say, "I think we should kill all people who have affairs." He was a dishonest politician, and I think that is enough to warrant it. I can see that you have no intention to let up, but let me leave you with this. We are never going to agree or come to some sort of middle ground on this subject. End it with this post.

                        • We don't know he was dishonest as we don't know circumstance.

                          And the implication of you saying 'That man deserved to be killed because he was having an affair' is that having an affair warrants killing.

                          • None of this even matters. What Lee did was wrong, but its still a lot different than Lilly's situation.

                          • Except I never said that. Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I was talking about him being a sleazy senator, and the affair is a part of that. I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system. I'm done arguing with you, you continue to circumnavigate the point of the argument to try and perceive me as a bad person. This is the last reply you are going to get out of me.

                            • Yes you DID!

                              This is one of your posts above!

                              'As I said, Lee killed the senator off screen. I had no emotional investment in that senator, and as I said, I think he deserved what he got.'

                              You've just admitted that we don't know he was a sleazy senator, so it clearly can't logically be for that reason!

                              • Alright, last reply for real this time. You are taking part of the quote and using it to misconstrue what I said. Read the line after what you have highlighted. I didn't say it all in one sentence because then it would have been a run on. Stop circumnavigating the argument with falsified personal attacks, and stay on topic if you would like to continue the discussion. Dirty journalism tactics are not needed here.

                                Edit: You edited your post so I'll edit mine. The top still applies, but with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given. I also said in another post, and I quote, "I also said that it wasn't justified, I just didn't disagree with Lee's decision. My personal feelings don't dictate the justice system." So once again, if you would like to continue the discussion about Lilly start staying on topic.

                                • I read that line, but you have just said that we don't know he was a sleazy senator, so that doesn't make sense.

                                  And I'm genuinely not personally attacking you. I'm really sorry if I've come across like that, but I was just discussing this with you.

                                  Bear in mind that disagreeing with you isn't the same as 'personally attacking you' (that would be if I said you were a bad guy, or stupid, or anything like that, none of which I believe).

                                  • I didn't say we don't know, at least I can't find a post where I did, I said, "with the knowledge we have ingame he is made out to be a sleazy no good senator. I'm basing my opinion off of what I know based on the information I was given."

        • For the record, Lilly actually gets along with Lee pretty well if Lee sides with her in disputes. In that respect, she isn't any different from Kenny except for the ending.

      • If it was at all the same, she would have shot Kenny for killing her dad. But she shot Carley, for putting her in her place and making her look stupid. I like Lilly, and I can relate, I've snapped and done things that surprise even me. But there was no justification there. What Lee did was 'revenge', and I can get behind that reasoning, even if its wrong.

        To summarize, they were both wrong, but Lilly took it out on the wrong person.

        • That's the best point against Lilly's actions I've seen here. Completely agree.

          • I actually said that too basically lol, "Kenny had an outburst of anger at Ben, who was at fault. Ben was actually at fault, as was the senator Lee killed.

            Lilly had a burst of anger at Carley, who was simply defending herself from the self-nominated inquisitor. If Lilly shot Kenny I would understand her better."

            Also, I agree as well, obviously.

            • Oh yeah haha

              I suppose this argument doesn't hold up in Doug's situation though, as she tries to shoot Ben, who WAS at fault

              • Certainly doesn't. I would be more understanding if she had shot Ben or Kenny, since it was all Ben's fault, and it would have been revenge against Kenny. Having hit Doug was an accident. When I first saw the game it was my friend playing, and he didn't leave her behind. I didn't know for sure it was Ben at the time, but I always felt like he was the weakest link, and that it was probably him, so I agreed with the decision to keep her in the group. I was mad when she pulled away though. Then in my actual playthrough she shot Carley for defending herself, and since then I've hated her. In my friends playthrough it would make sense for Clem to be glad to see Lilly, but certainly not in mine.

                • Hmm...well I suppose that, even though Ben did do it, Lilly didn't actually have any evidence for it, so her killing him still wasn't really justified?

                  • It wouldn't have been, no, but in terms of survival I think the group may have been better off. Telltale definitely created a great and lasting conflict with S1 E3. There are so many what ifs that could have prevented the entire scenario. If Ben would just have been honest with the people that took him in, gave him shelter, and fed him, then they could have just left supplies one last time and taken off in the RV. Anything would have been better than how it turned out, lol.

  • I would be happy to see her back because her interaction with Clementine and Kenny would be interesting, given their history. You can see that by the divided and often vitriolic responses to her in this very thread. Love or hate her, she does provoke a reaction.

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