Plot Twist... Carver not the enemy?

what if Carver's really not the enemy? If he was he wouldn't even try to reason with Clem or the group. He would just kill them all on site. I think he just wants a group of survivors. He's like Roman who gives the group different jobs to do. Carver will try to reason with everyone, but Kenny will screw things up like he did with Larry. He will get Alvin or Sarita killed by trying to get revenge on Carver for killing Walter. It's Kenny's fault Walter died. If Kenny wouldn't had shot at Carver or Johnny Walter would still be alive.

Now what if the real enemy is Nate and he has his own group now? Nate isn't really a lone wolf because being alone makes him crazy. He would rather make friends to survive and do crazy things like steal people's stuff and talk crazy.

I know this may sound crazy but what if Luke's the real enemy? He seems much stranger than on episode 1. He thinks killing zombies is fun, I get a Psychological vibe form him. The way he reacts when he meets Kenny. He said he's good with women and children. He seems to know more about Carver than anyone else. Luke's plan seems to get everyone killed like Carver said. Could Luke be apart of the group that attacked Christa, and went to look for her since Clem told Luke and everyone about her? I doubt Kenny killed Luke because Kenny wouldn't kill someone unless their a walker or bitten. Yes Kenny got jealous, but doesn't mean he killed him.

Last thing to ask... Could Kenny be an antagonist in season 2? Kenny seems to be getting out of control; especially when he met Luke and accidentally called Clem Duck. Also when Walter died. Kenny is mentally scared which is causing him to go crazy. Him trying to get revenge on Carver will get himself and everyone killed except Clem. Carver see's Clem as trusting, tough, and different then the cabin group so he will try to reason with her....

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  • edited March 2014

    Carver is not a good man, but I think his bad actions aim are to protect his community. I repeat: he's not a good man, but you know, maybe he had to bear something terrible in this 2 (?) years of apocalypse. I mean, there are good men and women like Lee, Luke (it seems) or Clementine and Sarita (it seems), but what if Carver is a "new" Kenny? I mean, we love kenny because we lived with him the entire season 1, but he also had some strange behaviours, not really "heroic".

    I don't know, I think that the enemy is another one. Carver, in my opinion,will try to protect his community. And with "his community" I mean "his big family", like he said in the trailer of episode 3.

    I mean, we don't really know why Luke's group escaped from him. They say he's a bad guy and we heard all the bad things about him, maybe he has a positive attitude. Maybe Luke's just kind of a rebel, with great charisma

  • edited March 2014

    I suspect that the real troublemakers are going to be Carlos and Luke... When Luke says something like "Carlos is a good man and he's not going to do any crazy stuff, because he's good, isn't he?" after Sarah said "Are you gonna hurt somebody else?".

    I don't remember the exact words, but on that part I thought "This two are hiding some bad stuff".

    I think Carver is just a man who likes power and doing things at his own way. If you are against him, then he kills you, just like that.
    Nate was psychologically wrong, that's for sure, and he's a cold blood killer, but he's different from Carver. I think Nate doesn't care if you're with or against him, he just judges you and, if you like him, he lets you be at his side. But he did and is going to do some crazy stuff.

    But Carlos and Luke... Those two are a mystery to me.

  • This. THEY said to us that Carver is evil. Well, he's not a genuine hero like Lee, but... We heard only Luke's opinion. You know, Rebecca wanted to escape because of the child maybe and she convinced her husband, Alvin. Luke and Carlos are the "rebels", Sarah obviously followed her father. And Nick was convinced by Luke, we all have to remember that Luke has leadership in his veins.

    I suspect that the real troublemakers are going to be Carlos and Luke... When Luke says something like "Carlos is a good man and h

  • edited March 2014

    Played it last night. And from what I understand, Carver only wants Rebecca because of the baby, right? Obviously there's history between both groups because we know there is, but nothing else than the baby is mentioned. Other than that, Carver doesn't scare me. He's kinda great character I definitely want to see more of.

    Kenny is not and will not be an antagonist, don't worry. That's like telltale urinating in our mouths. Bad taste.

    Got goosebumps when I realised that man in the middle was Kenny. That was such a well deserved happy moment for Clementine. And sure. Kenny said some weird things at the dinnertable but that doesn't matter. Who doesn't change in a world like that. I will stay with Kenny as long as I can.

  • yea just hope they don't do what they did to omid to kenny. Reunite with a character then kill them off...

  • UndeadEuanUndeadEuan Banned
    edited March 2014

    From what we can see, Carver is incredibly reasonable. He just wants Rebecca, and he did an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth with Walter/Alvin.

    We haven't had the full story.

  • true

    UndeadEuan posted: »

    From what we can see, Carver is incredibly reasonable. He just wants Rebecca, and he did an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth with Walter/Alvin. We haven't had the full story.

  • edited March 2014

    If Carver was even remotely as good or fair as people keep trying to paint him as, he would've taken steps not to drag others into his business with Luke and company. He could've given Clem and the ski lodge crew the opportunity to walk away and let him handle his business. But no, he rounds everyone up and suddenly they're all a part of his "family". There may be some gray areas with his character but I don't buy for one minute that he's not really an enemy.

    As for Luke, his only crime seems to be involving others in his big ideas while not necessarily having enough experience to see them through properly. The others in the group clearly have their skeletons but that does not automatically absolve Carver of his present actions as far as I'm concerned. I don't get the sugarcoating of his character, tbh. He already makes a great villain.

  • Man, I don't get where people are getting these crazy theories about Nate being some ring leader for an opposing group. Yeah, the guy is charismatic and manipulative in his own way, but he's the type who if he couldn't fit you in his truck, he wouldn't give two shits whether you existed or not. Nate was lacking in morals, like many are, but the last time we saw him he was willing to let Russell just walk away. Whereas Carver chases people for at least a week to torture and drag them back. I have this feeling that IF the 400 Days main characters return, they'll use them to try to sway people into siding with Carver, but there remains no doubt in my mind that Carver is the villain. Carver came in with automatic weapons and lined everyone up on their knees like an execution squad. What Kenny did was in defense of the group, however poorly executed, while Carver was killing a man who had already surrendered in retribution.

  • edited March 2014

    Possibly, I'm suspicious of both Carver and the cabin group, whether or not one of them may be 'evil' there is definitely more than meets the eye to the both of them. I guess we'll find out more soon. You can call Carver a good guy all you want, but holding a hostage situation and tracking down a married pregnant lady who wants nothing to do with him ((and potentially killing her husband if you make the wrong decisions)) is not something a good guy would do. He might have a positive side that we haven't seen, but that doesn't excuse the bad.
    The cabin group could be worse, but Carver is dark-grey if anything. We just don't have enough information on either of them yet to say for sure.

    Luke makes me suspicious as well, but that's more due to the lack of information we have on him and him disappearing after Carver held the group hostage. He seems like an OK guy and I don't see anything wrong with him (yet) personality-wise. I feel like the cabin group is deliberately holding back info on Carver from Clementine, the way that they avoid questions about him seems to imply it. I guess it could be that they simply don't wanna talk about it, but Clem's with them now, so they shouldn't be keeping things from her. Especially when it comes to a person that was persistently tracking them.

    Also, Nate isn't the type of guy to lead a group. He's not exactly a lone-wolf type, but I think he's too chaotic for organized groups and would rather be on his own or with a buddy.
    I don't think Kenny will be an antagonist, he's definitely gone a bit unhinged after the whole Savannah ordeal, but I don't think he'll go insane. He might make some morally ambiguous decisions later on, but that doesn't necessarily make him an antagonist. If I had to choose between Kenny, the cabin group, and Carver's group, I'd go with Kenny and Sarita. I just don't know enough about the cabin group for me to feel safe in putting Clem's trust in them, and Carver is a no-go.

  • I'm honestly not sure where Carver stands at this point.

  • Mmh... Yeah. I like it.

    A rebel with great charisma.

    Rippo posted: »

    Carver is not a good man, but I think his bad actions aim are to protect his community. I repeat: he's not a good man, but you kno

  • How would you not know? He killed Walter and kidnapped the others. I'm pretty sure he's the enemy.

    Lori-Grimes posted: »

    I'm honestly not sure where Carver stands at this point.

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    Glinda posted: »

    How would you not know? He killed Walter and kidnapped the others. I'm pretty sure he's the enemy.

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    Glinda posted: »

    0.o

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    Glinda posted: »

    Troll? Troll.

  • WTF is she talking about?

    Glinda posted: »

    Troll? Troll.

  • edited March 2014

    As far as I know .Michael Madsen stated that William isn't bad he does things that justify everything around him.And cmon he is not Philip or Negan,a mentally breakdown sociopath or a deranged sociopath.

  • I actually have no idea. I expect nothing less from Lori xD

    WTF is she talking about?

  • Just another troll.. :0

    Glinda posted: »

    I actually have no idea. I expect nothing less from Lori xD

  • edited March 2014

    I don't think there will be huge plot twist. I suspect that the cabin crew did something really wrong before that will create a dilemma for us players deciding to further trust them or not, but at the end of the day Carver will still be the enemy. If he wanted Rebecca then he should have taken only her, instead he takes all of them back against their will. Clearly he wants to make them suffer for things they did (Alvin killing George) Luke and Carlos are certainly hiding something.

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    JeraFlow posted: »

    Just another troll.. :0

  • edited March 2014

    Wasn't Micheal just stating his personal opinions on Carver though? I watched the interview and I didn't really think he was giving out actual canon information on the character. And still, I think a lot of VAs try to cast the characters they voice in a positive light.

    I do agree with you though, I hope he doesn't end up like the Governor. I've had enough of depraved, evil-for-the-sake-of-evil despots, thank you very much. I doubt Telltale will go that direction with Carver's character though, they're pretty good with character development.

    poplee posted: »

    As far as I know .Michael Madsen stated that William isn't bad he does things that justify everything around him.And cmon he is not Philip or Negan,a mentally breakdown sociopath or a deranged sociopath.

  • I'm not a troll

    Are you sure about that? Your username and profile pic along with your comments lead me to believe otherwise.

  • Wouldn't it be "tooth for a tooth"?

    Also, a plot twist would be awesome. And maybe Pizza is Carver's group and Ice Cream is Luke's group.

    UndeadEuan posted: »

    From what we can see, Carver is incredibly reasonable. He just wants Rebecca, and he did an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth with Walter/Alvin. We haven't had the full story.

  • Glinda is not a bitch,but it seems that you are one.

  • Seriously you want me to believe that you are not a troll when you have this name and right comments like that?...

    Glinda is not a bitch,but it seems that you are one.

  • Her or me?

    JeraFlow posted: »

    Seriously you want me to believe that you are not a troll when you have this name and right comments like that?...

  • From what I've seen in previe to episode 3 it is NOT going to be so black&white as it seemed at first.

  • Her!:D

    Her or me?

  • Wow, now i'm sure you're a troll.

  • It's nice to think outside of the box, but I'm pretty sure Carver is the enemy.

  • Yeah, it's going to take alot to convince me that someone who hunts down people who wanted to leave his community, takes hostages, tortures hostages, murders hostages and drags them all back in chains is anything but a villain. An interesting, charismatic villain, sure. But he's going to have to work overtime and then some to convince me to side with him in any way.

    Blow my mind, telltale. :)

    Night_Owl posted: »

    If Carver was even remotely as good or fair as people keep trying to paint him as, he would've taken steps not to drag others into

  • Whats wrong with my name. I happen to like Lori from the TV Show and comics and honestly the show has been hurt without herself and Shane. Thank god Rick, Daryl and Carol are still alive.

    JeraFlow posted: »

    Seriously you want me to believe that you are not a troll when you have this name and right comments like that?...

  • Lori-GrimesLori-Grimes Banned
    edited March 2014

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    gd3232 posted: »

    Wow, now i'm sure you're a troll.

  • edited March 2014

    Somebody's on her period...

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