[Ep 3 Villain]'s past...*SPOILERS*

edited April 2014 in The Wolf Among Us

...Auntie Greenleaf's long lost daughter?
It says in Greenleaf's biography that she got separated from her young daughter a long time ago when the Fables had to move to the real world, and she's been grieving ever since.

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They have the same eye color,big eyes, facial structure,freckles, distinctive cheekbones ,and natural black hair judging by the eyebrows.

Maybe she turned evil after being left behind in the corrupted Fable world?

Credits go to sSOPHOo for noticing!

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  • Nice catch, but I think that face scar is just her cheekbone. I could be wrong, though.

  • Well they have the same cheekbone then. Intriguing.

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    Hm. I guess so.

    Aunty Greenleaf has those cheekbones as well. I don't think any other characters in TWAU have cheekbones like that, other than those three.

    Maybe it's a genetic trait?

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    I'm almost positive that Bloody Mary is indeed Greenleaf's lost daughter, Rachel, now.

    C_jejuni posted: »

    Well they have the same cheekbone then. Intriguing.

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    Original content irrelevant now.

    Pride posted: »

    Hm. I guess so. Aunty Greenleaf has those cheekbones as well. I don't think any other characters in TWAU have cheekbones like t

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    I guess the cheekbone is a genetic facial feature of these characters that's meant to stand out.
    Telltale did it on purpose on these three separate characters so we could piece the puzzle together by ourselves, I think.

    It is a detective game , after all :p

    Those three are the only ones with outlined cheekbones like that.

    C_jejuni posted: »

    Original content irrelevant now.

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    Poor Aunty. If she knew!

    Hopefully there's no "lost family reunites - bad person gets reformed by the power of love" subplot approaching.

    Pride posted: »

    I guess the cheekbone is a genetic facial feature of these characters that's meant to stand out. Telltale did it on purpose on th

  • Well, that would make a dark plot twist. If she is Greenleaf's daughter and if Greenleaf appears in the next episode, I would love to see a reunion between these two but I can imagine it won't be pretty.

  • Definitely seems possible

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    I think Greenleaf is going to be important for the next chapter, since we're given a choice to hire her as a "personal witch".

    Well, that would make a dark plot twist. If she is Greenleaf's daughter and if Greenleaf appears in the next episode, I would love to see a reunion between these two but I can imagine it won't be pretty.

  • Yeah, but I can imagine she is gonna have a heart attack once she finds out that her daughter is alive but now she is a psychopatic thug working for a criminal boss.

    Pride posted: »

    I think Greenleaf is going to be important for the next chapter, since we're given a choice to hire her as a "personal witch".

  • But the Fables don't age, do they?

    So if she was separated when she was a young girl, she would still be a young girl.

  • Maybe it's different for witches?

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    They do age, but very slowly, it seems. I'm not sure if they stop aging once they get to the real world, but I imagine Rachel / Bloody Mary must have spent quite some time in the corrupted Fable world to become evil and twisted like that.

    It's been centuries since she got separated from Greenleaf and was left behind in the corrupted Fable world.

    Otherwise, Red Riding Hood in the Fable universe wouldn't have aged, as well. She's a young adult in the comics.
    The "little" mermaid , seems to be an adult now, too, if she's working in a strip club. Donkeyskin, as well.

    Another proof that they age is that certain Fable characters end up having kids in the comic, and they do grow up.

    Flog61 posted: »

    But the Fables don't age, do they? So if she was separated when she was a young girl, she would still be a young girl.

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    I don't think Rachel ever really got to study witchcraft properly, though, since she got separated from her mother at such a young age and was left behind in a corrupted world.

    So Bloody Mary didn't grow up to be a witch.

    Oh, talking of witches, that reminds me of another character that proves that Fables do age. Frau Totenkinder. Her whole story is about how she's getting so old, and wants to be younger :p

    The comic also talks about Bigby's childhood, so he's able to age, as well.

    C_jejuni posted: »

    Maybe it's different for witches?

  • i thought she made herself get old on purpose because she hated love because she got wronged before in her past. cause later on in the comics she go back to her true form, which is a young lady.

    Pride posted: »

    I don't think Rachel ever really got to study witchcraft properly, though, since she got separated from her mother at such a young

  • Fable children tend to grow up at the same rate as mundane children (us!). It's never really explained in the comics, at least I don't think it is. It seems they age slower as they get older.

    It probably has something to do with the age of the character from their most popular story, i.e. the Snow White in 'Snow White and Rose Red' is a little girl, but she's a young-adult in 'The Seven Dwarves,' a more popular and generally better-known story, which is probably why she's stayed that age for a longer time. Another good example is the witch from Hansel and Gretel is an old lady both in her story and in the modern world, she hasn't really aged.

    Pride posted: »

    They do age, but very slowly, it seems. I'm not sure if they stop aging once they get to the real world, but I imagine Rachel / Bl

  • I'm actually kinda worried that she might just wind up dead next episode, either by her own hand if you torched her tree or by the Crooked Man because he found out that she gave you information that could have jeopardized his plans. I hope not though. I liked her.

    Pride posted: »

    I think Greenleaf is going to be important for the next chapter, since we're given a choice to hire her as a "personal witch".

  • So Rachel must have started aging slower when she became Bloody Mary... which is quite a popular story.
    Makes sense.

    vctim posted: »

    Fable children tend to grow up at the same rate as mundane children (us!). It's never really explained in the comics, at least I d

  • It's a Catch-22. I'm not sure how she would have become popular without having already done her deeds in the past. We hear about her deeds because she's already lived them.. Maybe she stopped ageing when she started doing the deeds and became renowned for them.

    Pride posted: »

    So Rachel must have started aging slower when she became Bloody Mary... which is quite a popular story. Makes sense.

  • If Bloody Mary is its own fable, myth or whatever, would not it have been established in the Homelands? And does not say AG lost Rachel during the battles with the Adversary? I don't know if I'd buy it. I'll eat crow though if it were true.

  • Maybe Fables and Urban Myths are two different things as far as this continuity is concerned?

    pcharl01 posted: »

    If Bloody Mary is its own fable, myth or whatever, would not it have been established in the Homelands? And does not say AG lost Rachel during the battles with the Adversary? I don't know if I'd buy it. I'll eat crow though if it were true.

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    Interesting connection. Have some Mary wallpapers as a reward.

    Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary

    Enjoy.

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    Fables have to be born somehow, so maybe this will shed light on how and why Fables become what they are, how they can live so long and can be so hard to kill. Perhaps when Rachel was born she learned she had to find a way to keep people believing in her in order to continue existing, and whatever happened with Aunite Greenleaf caused her to go in the direction of Bloody Mary, or Rachel simply discovered she liked killing people and feeding their lungs to the family dog.

    JakeSt123 posted: »

    Maybe Fables and Urban Myths are two different things as far as this continuity is concerned?

  • Awesome!

    Those are really good. She's a badass!

    Katalept posted: »

    Interesting connection. Have some Mary wallpapers as a reward. Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Enjoy.

  • Excerpt from Aunty Greenleaf's entry :

    Horticulturist, alchemist, and lover of animals, she is rumored to have lost a daughter in the Homelands. She suffers paranoia and depressive mood swings"

    It's quite ambiguous. I interpreted it as she lost her daughter somehow amidst the chaos before both of them could get to the portal. I recall it happened to quite a few fables, being left behind in the old world like that. It wasn't an easy task getting to the portal.

    Fables have to be born out of somewhere. They weren't always there, they had to start somewhere.

    Bigby,for example, has a backstory of his own,with how while growing up he rebelled against his father, explaining why he became the Big Bad Wolf, etc etc. He didn't just pop out of nowhere.

    Being left behind in that world could have been the reason she became the Bloody Mary, the same way Bigby became who he is because of his mother's death due to his father's neglect.

    I wonder what exactly her relashionship with the Crooked Man is.

    pcharl01 posted: »

    If Bloody Mary is its own fable, myth or whatever, would not it have been established in the Homelands? And does not say AG lost Rachel during the battles with the Adversary? I don't know if I'd buy it. I'll eat crow though if it were true.

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    Oh, another thing I failed to pick up 'til lately...

    Bloody Mary emphasizes that she enjoys killing little girls for fun, as a hobbie. Maybe deep down there's a symbolic reason for that.
    She was left behind in an evil world all by herself when she was just a little girl, as well. As result, she'd have a pretty traumatic childhood, if any at all.

    Maybe she sees other little girls as a reminder of her dreaded past or something, and feels the urge to get rid of them. To repress her past, and with it ,her young self, Rachel. Metaphorically, Rachel "died" after she was left behind at the tainted Woodlands, and her Bloody Mary persona took place.

    It could also be out of jealousy because she never had a real childhood like her victims.

  • Holy big fucking crap! Nice work! They are the same person.

  • If Bloody Mary is a fable, doesn't that mean she existed in the Homeland as her adult form?

    In the Bloody Mary story, she is an adult not a 7 year old, and so her aging from 7 doesn't really make sense. She would have to be an adult before they left the Homeland.

  • I posted about this a few days ago on a thread about Rachel and I actually thought I was first... Now I'm not at all sure but at least I'm not alone in this!

  • Bufkin eventually dies of old age after liberating Oz and many other worlds.

    vctim posted: »

    It's a Catch-22. I'm not sure how she would have become popular without having already done her deeds in the past. We hear about h

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    Nah, Bigby was born and raised in the homelands, so that means they can exist there before becoming their famous fables.
    A puppy could hardly be the Big Bad Wolf, right? He wasn't always the Big Bad Wolf, it was a set of events that shaped him that way, same as Rachel.

    If he aged from a child to an adult in the Homelands, why couldn't Rachel / Bloody Mary?
    The only difference is that she would grow up in a corrupted version of the Homeland. Hence why she became so twisted and evil.

    Flog61 posted: »

    If Bloody Mary is a fable, doesn't that mean she existed in the Homeland as her adult form? In the Bloody Mary story, she is an

  • That's an interesting analysis. Perhaps another part of it could be that the people who summon her do so naively or innocently, and Mary looks forward to the fact that she gets to take that away from them, maybe as a form of vengeance against those she fell victim to in her past? Of course, you can't really take vengeance on the world itself because it has no agency and her past is past, so because of what she became, she now looks forward to at least living up to her own expectations as well as being in control of what happens next.

    Certainly an intriguing area to explore in the creation of Fables, how they live so long and why they're so hard to kill.

    Pride posted: »

    Oh, another thing I failed to pick up 'til lately... Bloody Mary emphasizes that she enjoys killing little girls for fun, as a

  • I wonder what her relashionship with the Crooked Man is, though.

    Why is she so loyal to him?

    Maybe he was the one who managed to finally bring her to the mundie world?

    Katalept posted: »

    That's an interesting analysis. Perhaps another part of it could be that the people who summon her do so naively or innocently, an

  • Considering the Bloody Mary myth originated somehwat recently, I wonder if the Crooked Man still has connections to the 'old world' or whatever that means. Perhaps he can tap into myths that didn't become well known and make them his own?

    Pride posted: »

    I wonder what her relashionship with the Crooked Man is, though. Why is she so loyal to him? Maybe he was the one who managed to finally bring her to the mundie world?

  • Snow White's mom was also a witch, as well as her aunt/stepmother. SPOILER! Even though Snow's mom never taught her or Rose magic, one of them will have the same power their mom had. END OF SPOILER! So the won't grow up to be a witch ain't always true.

    Pride posted: »

    I don't think Rachel ever really got to study witchcraft properly, though, since she got separated from her mother at such a young

  • All this hurts my brain, I don't understand how fables can only exist by mundies having folklore about them but they still are born and grow up at completely varying rates

    gah :p

    Pride posted: »

    Nah, Bigby was born and raised in the homelands, so that means they can exist there before becoming their famous fables. A puppy

  • Actually fables can exist without folklore, but than they can be killed. Colin mentions it.

    Flog61 posted: »

    All this hurts my brain, I don't understand how fables can only exist by mundies having folklore about them but they still are born and grow up at completely varying rates gah

  • Let's bring this back from the dead since the next EP is almost here, shall we?
    Pride posted: »

    Hm. I guess so. Aunty Greenleaf has those cheekbones as well. I don't think any other characters in TWAU have cheekbones like t

  • With the existence of Kevin Thorn it's kind of unclear.
    Pride posted: »

    Excerpt from Aunty Greenleaf's entry : Horticulturist, alchemist, and lover of animals, she is rumored to have lost a daughter

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