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BM's arm [Episode 3 Spoilers]

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What's on Bloody Mary's arm? After she shoots Bigby, you can clearly see something on her forearm. It looks like a bunch of symbols or something.

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  • I just replayed the episode, and I noticed that just before Mary breaks Bigby's arm, the tattoos start glowing red. That suggests that she has some kind of well of power that she can draw from to increase her strength or resilience.

  • damn it i've seen that emblem somewhere before, but i just can't put my finger on it. all i can tell is that it signifies royalty with what looks like a crown at the top, or anything british.

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    It's a pentagram with some weird lines and figures in it.

    • This one looks similar to this Alt text as you can see it is something called astaroth sigil.

      • Apart from the dots and the horizontal line, that looks exact. Good job!

      • Apparently, Astaroth is the name of one of the "Crown Princes of Hell." Well that's...troubling.... Does Satan count as a Fable? If so, this whole thing might be above our pay grade here.

        • Maybe this 'Prince of hell' doesn't exist in the 'normal' world (he could be the adversary in the homelands) . Bloody Mary could be this prince's embodiment in the real world, these signs on her arm are almost like puppet strings, glowing red when being controlled.*

          *Just a crazy thought, she probably wouldn't be working for the crooked man if that was true

      • Maybe she's just activating some kind of defensive effect, in case Bigby bounces back from the silver bullet quicker than expected? Her description mentions significant resistance to magic, and it's certainly what I'd do before stepping within arm's reach of a werewolf no matter what state he was in. Increased strength is a good bet too, though. You generally don't break someone's arm open just by stepping on it, even as hard as you can.

  • great spot, well this just got a whole lot darker

  • It's a sigil. Very dark stuff.

    • Not necessarily dark. Though, in this instance, Astaroth (whose sigil this is) is supposed to be a demon. Though even there, there are different interpretations. Sometimes he's referred to as angel, or simply spirit whose neither malevolent nor benevolent, sometimes even a kind of cosmic force.

      • Thanks for adding that. I guess that I always think of the dark interpretation. That's all that I had ever heard so that's immediately what I associate that sigil with. It's interesting to know that there are other ways to look at it, but since it's on Bloody Mary's arm, it looks like they're playing off of the darkness.

        • They surely were playing on that card. And I'm not saying that you were wrong, it indeed can be dark stuff, I simply wanted to add that there's always another point of view with things like these.

          Most of these sigils and runes predate the context they are mostly known from today, since new religions and sects incorporate them and change their meaning. Same goes for these entities, for example Astharoths name is based of Astarte (which is, again, same goddess as Ishtar), Aramean godess from the bronze age, even though Astaroth the "demon" is mentioned in Ars Goetia, which is related to much later judaism and christianity. Religions have always borrowed one from another and will always do so in some measure.

          Pentagram, for example, is an old symbol, its earliest known depiction goes as far as 3500 BC Mesopotamia. Though its meaning haven't changed much, it was incorporated in almost every religion, and is now mostly known from christianity and western paganism such as wicca (and its famous inverted version from satanism). It usually represents four elements and the spirit and its geometry contains a golden ratio (ancient Greeks are responsible for recognizing its geometrical value, namely - Pythagoreans), which is the essence of sacred geometry that can be seen in many of these sigils, as well as architectures such as temples and churches of various religions. Even pyramids.

          By the way, I apologize if I bored you to death with this, haven't planned for it to be this long, it just got out of control.

  • B.M. and Telltale just got a whole lot cooler, reminds me of something that would probably be in the universe of Blade! Y'know, that awesome vampire hunter?

  • That nail polish is just gorgeous

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  • From the ending of episode 3.

    Yup it looks very similar to the sigil of Astaroth, I'm into that kind of stuff so here's what it says in Ars Goetia - The Twenty-ninth Spirit is Astaroth. He is a Mighty, Strong Duke, and appeareth in the Form of an hurtful Angel riding on an Infernal Beast like a Dragon, and carrying in his right hand a Viper. Thou must in no wise let him approach too near unto thee, lest he do thee damage by his Noisome Breath. Wherefore the Magician must hold the Magical Ring near his face, and that will defend him. He giveth true answers of things Past, Present, and to Come, and can discover all Secrets. He will declare wittingly how the Spirits fell, if desired, and the reason of his own fall. He can make men wonderfully knowing in all Liberal Sciences. He ruleth 40 Legions of Spirits. His Seal is this, which wear thou as a Lamen before thee, or else he will not appear nor yet obey thee, etc.

    Of course, it is more likely that the sigil was simply based on Astaroths due to its esthetics. It looks just like an average person would expect a magical sigil to look, with pentagram and lines.

    • Interesting. Do you know which sigil is on Mary's right arm? It's definitely slightly different.

      • It also looks different to me, but I'll have to get a better look at it. It doesn't look like any of the demons' from Ars Goetia, as far as I can see. It is not pentagram, but triangle, with either circle or half circle in the bottom. It also seems to have few smaller triangles at the end of the lines. It looks vaguely familiar to me, but I don't really hold all of them on top of my head. I'll look up for a better picture and see if can figure out which one it is.

      • It looks much like sigil of Enki (Sumerian god, which is in this context the same entity as Lucifer) with some variations and lines, same as ones which almost every sigil from Ars Goetia has, added to it:

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        They also slightly changed Astaroths sigil, if you compare you'll see it is a bit simplified than the original, it seems that they added the same lines to the one on her right arm to make two sigils more similar to one another and overall esthetically more pleasing.

  • So I was looking through the character bios in the menus, and the headless horsemans caught my attention. ''it is rumoured that this phantom is only the most recent incarnation of a primordial demon''. I immediately thought of Bloody Mary's arm mark symbol things. She definitely acts like a demon... Could she be this demoncs newest form?

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