Clem is growing up: Deal with it

*puts sunglasses on*

Deal with it!

It seems a lot of people don't like "badass Clem" as much as innocent Clem, and I can see why and respect that opinion, but there is a line between what we want and what is real.

Let's be honest: innocent Clem was naïve. She was inexperienced and her hope was only false hope. The problem here is that we don't want Clem to grow up. We want her to be the same old Clem.

Sorry to say, but that isn't the way it works in The Walking Dead. Those who usually hold onto hope are disappointed, and those who are innocent can't protect themselves from the ones who aren't. Clem had to grow up in order to survive. This is reality. We don't have to like it very much, but we have to understand that this was an important and necessary change for Clem.

Anyway, just my thoughts on the subject.
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  • The moral is, It's best to move on instead of clinging to the past.
  • edited May 2014
    I agree with you, and while I don't mind sassy or hardened Clem, (in fact I prefer it to naïve S1 Clem) it irritates me when people misinterpret her current character as some hardcore badass capable of killing. She's 11. (though she can use her age to her advantage, since people tend to underestimate her skills and abilities) I don't think she needs a protective guardian figure like Lee anymore, but she definitely needs a group and people to support her.
    I do think she *could* kill if it eventually comes down to it, but it would probably weigh heavy in her mind for a long time afterwards.

    Just my viewpoint. I respect it if anyone else doesn't agree.
  • edited May 2014
    People who are innocent in this kind of world die. You have to go to certain lengths to survive, and even if you don't like it, you're going to lose a bit of your naivety. All I can say is: Would you rather have an innocent Clementine, or a dead one?
  • I don't really like sassy Clem a hole lot, for example at the bridge scene I would have wanted to choose another sentence then the one that brings out sassy Clem with the "remember I have done this before, in a shed"
  • edited May 2014
    It's heartbreaking. I WAS Lee. I, being a man, related to Lee. Now, I'm a defenseless kid. Just a kid. In a world where you can't trust anyone. A world where there are no safe houses. Life is more hard and more harsh in this world. Doesn't give a shoot if you're a little girl. We can't keep away Clementine from the world we live in. But at least we can try to maintain her hope and humanity. People needs to be hold on to something. Like hope, unforgettable memories and more. Of course we can't always be a polite and naive. But we don't always have to be a bitter and hateful person too. Keep hold on to that hope my member friends. That's the one thing none of this can take away.
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  • edited May 2014
    I don't want Clementine to be "innocent", I just want her to maintain most of that friendliness she had in season 1. It's understandable that she became desensitized, of course, but I don't want her to stop caring and become a completely hardened cynic.
  • Most people want Clem to grow up so she can survive, Some of Clem line's in season 2 are a problem like in season 1 she loved her treehouse and season 2 she hate's her tree house?
  • I thought that was kind of strange. I think she was just trying to sound cool in front of Luke.
    Order 66 posted: »

    Most people want Clem to grow up so she can survive, Some of Clem line's in season 2 are a problem like in season 1 she loved her treehouse and season 2 she hate's her tree house?

  • I still don't understand it. I guess after spending so much time with Christa, she got a bit pessimistic.

    I thought that was kind of strange. I think she was just trying to sound cool in front of Luke.

  • edited May 2014
    Yeah, I'm about two seconds away from kicking a hole in ya! Is that even a username and profile picture?! You're doing this for a reason right?!
  • ^ This times infinity.
    Lahkesis posted: »

    I don't want Clementine to be "innocent", I just want her to maintain most of that friendliness she had in season 1. It's understa

  • Yeah. Plus, she's lost both her parents, Lee, pretty much everyone she loves. AND she had to slit a dog's throat. For an 11 year old, that's a hell of a lot to go through.
    Lahkesis posted: »

    I still don't understand it. I guess after spending so much time with Christa, she got a bit pessimistic.

  • I'm one of the odd balls, because I actually want Clem to grow up.

    I like her season 2 self a lot.
  • edited May 2014
    Well, her treehouse WAS where everything started, for her. She was there all by herself in the treehouse for days while she watched the world around her become a living nightmare, from a vantage point. Can you imagine how scared she must have felt?

    It was literally where the world started falling apart. Maybe she just associates it to the start of the ZA, now. A terrible thing.

    That's why she hates it now.
    Lahkesis posted: »

    I still don't understand it. I guess after spending so much time with Christa, she got a bit pessimistic.

  • I do too.
    Pride posted: »

    I'm one of the odd balls, because I actually want Clem to grow up. I like her season 2 self a lot.

  • Yeah you right pride, however Telltale said she loved playing in her treehouse with her imagination, Surly her good memories outmumber the bad?
    Pride posted: »

    Well, her treehouse WAS where everything started, for her. She was there all by herself in the treehouse for days while she watche

  • Oh no you didn't.
  • I think it's a bit unrealistic for her to be friendly and caring when everything she's ever loved is dead or undead.
    Lahkesis posted: »

    I don't want Clementine to be "innocent", I just want her to maintain most of that friendliness she had in season 1. It's understa

  • People see kindness as a weakness in this kind of world, when in fact it's takes a whole lot more balls to be kind then to be sassy. Just think about it, whose more mature, the girl that snaps at the pregnant woman or the girl that remains quiet, and eats her food, not giving a fuck what the other person thinks or says. I'm just saying, I don't care what kind of Clementine you play as, mine will always be optimistic, or what you guys would call innocent. Just because she's growing up, doesn't mean she has to lose her former self. It takes a whole lot of strength to do the right thing, it takes strength to be silent while Rebecca is harassing you, while the weak person snaps and loses their temper. Kindness isn't a weakness, it's just a different type of strength.
  • edited May 2014
    I really doubt it. I'd say really bad memories are more likely to overpower you than good ones.

    The ZA is a life changing thing. It's so significant, that I would be surprised if she DIDN'T associate bad memories with the treehouse.

    She's a kid, they're more sensitive to scary stuff and the like. She pretty much lived through her worst nightmare in that treehouse, alone. Just think about it, what it was like to be there, alone and scared to death, wishing to wake up from that terror, with no one coming to save you. It's the kind of thing that would haunt a kid forever.
    Order 66 posted: »

    Yeah you right pride, however Telltale said she loved playing in her treehouse with her imagination, Surly her good memories outmumber the bad?

  • Like I said, I'm fully aware of that. But I want her to try, and Telltale should give us more chances to do so.

    I think it's a bit unrealistic for her to be friendly and caring when everything she's ever loved is dead or undead.

  • Thank you, my thoughts exactly.

    People see kindness as a weakness in this kind of world, when in fact it's takes a whole lot more balls to be kind then to be sass

  • While I like grown up Clem, she also needs to have a grasp of humanity. I know, that in her world, not a lot of people can be trusted. But she still needs to care about people, too.

    That was my opinion. I apologize if it was too unclear/unrealistic.
  • edited May 2014
    My Clementine doesn't just care about people automatically. Her trust has to be earned. I think part of the reason I'm making my Clem so cold is because I don't want to see her get hurt again. In this type of world, betrayal hurts worse than any bite.
    ayano-chan posted: »

    While I like grown up Clem, she also needs to have a grasp of humanity. I know, that in her world, not a lot of people can be trus

  • I understand what you mean, and that giving away too much trust doesn't always work well.

    It's your own choice, so I won't interfere it.

    My Clementine doesn't just care about people automatically. Her trust has to be earned. I think part of the reason I'm making my C

  • Or she could have USED to love the treehouse, until she had to spend days hiding in it from her babysitter turned flesh eating undead monstrosity. It probably got pretty ripe up there. Plus there's trauma involved with associating the treehouse with what was happening arond her.
    Order 66 posted: »

    Most people want Clem to grow up so she can survive, Some of Clem line's in season 2 are a problem like in season 1 she loved her treehouse and season 2 she hate's her tree house?

  • Good imagination-based memories vs bad REAL memories.

    Bad real memories are going to have a stronger associative effect, becaues those are memories of stuff that actually happened.
    Order 66 posted: »

    Yeah you right pride, however Telltale said she loved playing in her treehouse with her imagination, Surly her good memories outmumber the bad?

  • lol, it's kind of ironic in my case. :P

    The moral is, It's best to move on instead of clinging to the past.

  • Yep. I'm all for having choices on how you want to play your Clem. Do you enjoy "sassy Clem"? Fine. Would you prefer a more friendly Clem? Good for you. It's all about options.
    Lahkesis posted: »

    Like I said, I'm fully aware of that. But I want her to try, and Telltale should give us more chances to do so.

  • No... Just... Fucking no.
  • edited May 2014
    Yeah, I agree. I've not had the joy (pain?) of experiencing with a son/daughter of my own, but my parents say they felt kind of the same as they watched me and my brother grow up and change. We had the advantage of not growing up in the ZA, though. Say what you will about new Clementine, but she is resilient as fuck.

    EDIT: Images are down, but I imagined the OP with the pic of Clem wearing sunglasses. :3
  • She HATED the treehouse because she SPENT DAYS surviving in there...

    Bad memories overpower good ones...
    pander1 posted: »

    Good imagination-based memories vs bad REAL memories. Bad real memories are going to have a stronger associative effect, becaues those are memories of stuff that actually happened.

  • I just don't want her to stop caring for people.
  • Neither do I, I just want her to be more careful about who she trusts. I'm trying to protect her feelings as much as I can.

    I just don't want her to stop caring for people.

  • Ala Becca, although I think that was just her emo phase... hopefully.

    I just don't want her to stop caring for people.

  • I think Becca is just going on a rebellious streak.

    Ala Becca, although I think that was just her emo phase... hopefully.

  • Also, she almost starved up there.
    Pride posted: »

    Well, her treehouse WAS where everything started, for her. She was there all by herself in the treehouse for days while she watche

  • Why?You like innocent kids who can't defend themselves against pedos like you?You sick fucking prick.
  • CathalOHaraCathalOHara Moderator
    Thank you, I can't believe some people don't want to see her character grow more older and independent. Most of the time it looks like people are seeing their own kids growing up and want them to stay young forever.

    Christ if she was still the little innocent Clementine she was two years ago I don't think she would've lasted much longer without Lee.
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