Playing Devil's Advocate...

A lot of people seemed pissed at Luke suggesting that they leave Kenny behind.

This is overdramatized for two reasons:

- Luke said that he may have been playing devils advocate. It may not have supported his actual opinion on the topic.

- Luke was thinking smart: if Kenny didn't get up until the morning or was to injured to move on, they would HAVE to leave him behind if they were leaving tonight. That didn't happen, but had it happened, it leaves the group with one of those two options: Leave tonight and leave Kenny behind, or wait and bide their time until they are healed up.

Luke was simply pointing out the options they had at the moment. Don't blame Luke for playing Devil's Advocate, just relax.
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  • He wouldn't have said that if it was Nick or Carlos or someone he cared about ..
  • luke was being smart.
  • I don't blame Luke for that. I blame him for being pretty useless and disappearing at the end of the episode again.
  • I don think he disappeared. I just think he got separated from them because of the herd and is just a little late.

    I don't blame Luke for that. I blame him for being pretty useless and disappearing at the end of the episode again.

  • I'm pretty sure he wanted to leave Alvin behind as well.
    TGP95 posted: »

    He wouldn't have said that if it was Nick or Carlos or someone he cared about ..

  • Most people i've seen went "we need to leave now" Luke was all for waiting for everyone to recover first until everyone else insisted on leaving
  • Yeah Luke's initial suggestion was to wait for Kenny to recover, but he kinda caved when the majority of people wanted to leave immediately. Luke just pointed that if they were gonna leave immediately, they might have to consider leaving Kenny if he didn't recover quick enough.
  • Leave Kenny behind but don't kill Carver. Hypocrite 101
  • It's just the Kenny fans that hate Luke over the most stupid things. Since most die hard Kenny fans hate Luke, they'll find anything possible, even if it's the tiniest and dumbest thing, just to have a reason to hate on Luke.
  • Exactly... and I believe that Luke was just giving a reason why they had to wait. Which is why he said "Dammit, If yall are serious about leaving tonight..."
  • The suggestion was also to leave Alvin behind, and he was just pointing out the idea to have the rest of the group to agree with him that they had to wait.
    TGP95 posted: »

    He wouldn't have said that if it was Nick or Carlos or someone he cared about ..

  • Exactly. A lot of people seem to be interpreting that scene as Luke saying "lololol Fuck Kenny let's get out of here noooooooow!" and they couldn't be more wrong.
    Deceptio posted: »

    It's just the Kenny fans that hate Luke over the most stupid things. Since most die hard Kenny fans hate Luke, they'll find anything possible, even if it's the tiniest and dumbest thing, just to have a reason to hate on Luke.

  • Maybe if Lenny happens, then they'll stop getting pissed at Luke ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    Deceptio posted: »

    It's just the Kenny fans that hate Luke over the most stupid things. Since most die hard Kenny fans hate Luke, they'll find anything possible, even if it's the tiniest and dumbest thing, just to have a reason to hate on Luke.

  • Luke was totally against leaving that night, but he knew that everyone else wanted to leave. At the time, leaving Kenny was the only way to do it.

    He was just bringing up the matter for discussion, he wasn't actively suggesting it. I can see why the CHARACTERS might have misread his intent, but I don't see how anyone can hate Luke for weighing up all the options.

    Also, Kenny AGREED with leaving him behind, so yeah.
  • It's true. Saying "Kenny would want us to go" and he replies with "Yeah something like that."
    Ayrtonius posted: »

    Luke was totally against leaving that night, but he knew that everyone else wanted to leave. At the time, leaving Kenny was the on

  • There is a difference between trying to protect a large group of people, and executing a man in cold blood.

    also, Luke wasn't suggesting they leave Kenny. He simply said that if they really wanted to leave that night, they'd have to think about it. It's a big difference.

    I don't see how you could see it as hypocritical when the 2 situations are exactly NOTHING alike.
    MeMeLord posted: »

    Leave Kenny behind but don't kill Carver. Hypocrite 101

  • edited May 2014
    Agreed. It's not like Luke wanted Kenny dead. He suggested they leave him behind:

    1. To prove his point that waiting a little longer was the right thing to do.

    2. Because carrying an unconsious man while trying to escape armed men and countless walkers would put everyone in a huge risk.

    I swear people are finding the dumbest excuses to hate on Luke. There are characters that have made way worse mistakes than he has and receive little to no hate.
  • I'll only be okay with Lenny if it includes the harmonica music from Brokeback Mountain.
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    Maybe if Lenny happens, then they'll stop getting pissed at Luke ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Kenny fans causing trouble again? There are no good reason's to hate Luke
  • Yaeh, Kenny fans are so defensive and they are selfish, rude, and immature. Just look, I have 4 downvotes. Obviously Kenny fans, because I was pointing out why Luke is getting so much hate and where it's coming from. And they downvoted me because they were "insulted" by my comment and couldn't face the truth. I'm not trying to be a dick, even though it kind of sounds like it, but it really is the truth.

    Exactly. A lot of people seem to be interpreting that scene as Luke saying "lololol Fuck Kenny let's get out of here noooooooow!" and they couldn't be more wrong.

  • Violently killing a man in front of his daughter out of fear he might turn, but avoiding dealing with his bitten son for as long as possible.

    Looks like he learned from the best. ;)
    MeMeLord posted: »

    Leave Kenny behind but don't kill Carver. Hypocrite 101

  • THANK YOU for this post.

    He wasn't being a douche on purpose, he was being real. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong, because unless you're of Larry's build, I doubt YOU'D want to carry an unconscious man through a herd of walkers!

    And why is everyone conveniently forgetting 105 when they were in the attic, when he suggested getting rid of Lee as he may turn? Luke suggests waiting as the alternative is leaving Kenny behind and HE becomes the douchebag??
  • The poor thing was sleep deprived, kudos for him for making it this long, hell, he was about to pass out when we talked to him! I wouldn't be surprised if he got separated because of it..

    I don't blame Luke for that. I blame him for being pretty useless and disappearing at the end of the episode again.

  • Kenny wouldn't die, the God Beard wouldn't allow it
  • I wanna know why I'm barely getting any dislikes.
    Deceptio posted: »

    Yaeh, Kenny fans are so defensive and they are selfish, rude, and immature. Just look, I have 4 downvotes. Obviously Kenny fans, b

  • Protecting a large group of people eh? So killing a man who would of chased after THEM and murdered them in cold blood isn't protecting the group?
    Lets be honest here, if Carver got outta there he would of chased down the group and slaughtered them. Kenny made the right call taking down Carver and in turn, protecting the group.
    As for Luke leaving Kenny I was completely against that. If it were Luke or someone else in the situation ( Sarita is the exception ) I would of been ok with it. The fact is I don't want to leave my loved ones behind. In my case that's Kenny and Sarita. You might not want to leave Luke behind if he was in that situation which I can understand. But non the less he did suggest it. And before you start calling me a hypocrite I will just put it out there and say yes I am. That's what gets us through this world with the people we care about though.
    Ayrtonius posted: »

    There is a difference between trying to protect a large group of people, and executing a man in cold blood. also, Luke wasn't

  • Larry was going to turn, it had to be done and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. His chances of survival were 5-10% without medical equipment to stabilize the heart and with a heart attack that severe it could only keep it stable for 10 mins give or take. Kenny didn't enjoy killing Larry but it had to be done.
    Lilly didn't give up on her father because he was family. Kenny didn't give up on Duck because he was family. It isn't as simple as "My kid is bit, shit better shoot him". Of course he's going to be in denial, just like Lilly was when Larry bit the dust.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    Violently killing a man in front of his daughter out of fear he might turn, but avoiding dealing with his bitten son for as long as possible. Looks like he learned from the best. ;)

  • And would people have hated Kenny if he was the one saying people should be left behind?
    Carver was crippled. He couldn't have chased them down if he tried.

    The 2 situations aren't even comparable.
    Regi_ posted: »

    Protecting a large group of people eh? So killing a man who would of chased after THEM and murdered them in cold blood isn't prote

  • Like I just said above no I wouldn't be no bothered about leaving others behind because I don't really care about them. We couldn't take a chance with Carver, plus the guy got his eye beaten out by him and his skull almost crushed. The least Kenny needed was revenge on that fucker. Would you judge Luke if he was the one that got beaten and took care of Carver?
    Ayrtonius posted: »

    And would people have hated Kenny if he was the one saying people should be left behind? Carver was crippled. He couldn't have chased them down if he tried. The 2 situations aren't even comparable.

  • edited May 2014
    I think Kenny would've done the same if it was Luke who had taken the beating. There's always a character who gets pragmatic in a situation like that, specially about someone he barely knows. He wasn't too emphatic about it either. Luke seemed ashamed just to say it. The group was in a tough spot. I obviously disagreed, but I don't hold it against him.
  • Funny how he decided that they all need to leave right after he was reminded about Kenny's condition.

    Most people i've seen went "we need to leave now" Luke was all for waiting for everyone to recover first until everyone else insisted on leaving

  • Look, Luke wasn't being an A**hole he was being smart.
  • If Luke cares so much for Clementine, he should've been grateful that Kenny stepped up and took the beating for her when HIS plan failed. But no, he does Kenny a big favor and suggests they leave him behind.
  • edited May 2014
    No, it didn't have to be done. We don't even know if he was dead in the first place. You can see Larry moving right before Kenny drops the saltlick on his head, indicating he might've still been alive. It's just another example of Kenny's impulsive behavior.

    The fact that Duck was his son doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite. If he was ok with killing Lilly's father to prevent him from turning, then he should've been ok with dealing with his son too.
    Regi_ posted: »

    Larry was going to turn, it had to be done and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. His chances of survival were 5-10% without

  • edited May 2014
    Right so please look up facts about CPR before you start weighing up the odds. CPR alone cannot restart a heart it can only keep it stable for so long and keep blood pumping around the body. Larry had a bad heart attack, Lilly says in episode 1 that he had to go to the hospital for some of them and couldn't get over them without medical equipment. We didn't have that or any pills to get him back on his feet even if the CPR worked. Larry passed out from this heart attack which means it was fatal and no blood or oxygen was going to the brain. Sooner or later he would of been dead. Only thing we could do was finish him off.

    In the Duck part I never said he wasn't a hypocrite. All I said was that he wasn't giving up on his kid, I'm sure you would't just give up on your child like that. I'm pretty fuckin' sure I wouldn't, no father would. Lilly was in denial about Larry and Kenny was in denial about Duck. I never said he wasn't a hypocrite, I'm with you on that one but all I'm saying is that it isn't as simple as jut shooting him in the head and being done with it like you said above.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    No, it didn't have to be done. We don't even know if he was dead in the first place. You can see Larry moving right before Kenny d

  • Kenny wouldn't want everyone getting killed by walkers because three of them have to carry him around. Unless you're suggesting carrying unconscious Kenny through a herd of walkers is smart?
    Dragonleaf posted: »

    If Luke cares so much for Clementine, he should've been grateful that Kenny stepped up and took the beating for her when HIS plan failed. But no, he does Kenny a big favor and suggests they leave him behind.

  • Totally agree. I think some people just want to find any excuse to hate on Luke they can and are deliberately misreading that scene. I mean, why else single out Luke and not also direct anger at the rest of the group for forcing the leave time? Luke just put the reality of the group's will out there, his preferred idea was one in which a healed up Kenny would've been coming with them no question.
  • No, carrying Kenny's body through the horde isn't a smart idea. But it's better than waiting for everyone to heal and letting the horde hit the compound anyway. It only took about 2 and a half minutes for the horde of walkers to get there with the sound, whos to say it wouldn't hit a day later when the group ISN'T ready to escape?

    Kenny wouldn't want everyone getting killed by walkers because three of them have to carry him around. Unless you're suggesting carrying unconscious Kenny through a herd of walkers is smart?

  • Don't bother, some people just want to believe in miracles and magic. Not to say that a heart attack kills you faster than a bite.
    Regi_ posted: »

    Right so please look up facts about CPR before you start weighing up the odds. CPR alone cannot restart a heart it can only keep i

  • Funny how he said it right after the group kept insisting they leave NOW

    Funny how he decided that they all need to leave right after he was reminded about Kenny's condition.

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