Snow is Manipulative?

I was looking over the choices of all 5 episodes and loads of people sided with Snow and let her do things and agreed with her. Like letting her go to the Trip Trap bar or burning down Aunty Greenleaf's tree. I feel like people did this in the hope of winning Snow's heart but after everything you do for her, their last scene she just ignores you.

I'm positive Snow knew Bigby was attracted to her. Snow wouldn't have succeeded without Bigby's help, but she needed him to bend his morals in doing so. My theory is that she used that sexual tension to get what she wanted. And it worked! Loads of people agreed and did everything Snow told them to do.

So in conclusion, Snow White is a manipulative bitch. imo.

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  • JJwolfJJwolf Banned

    I don't think she used the 'sexual tension' to manipulate Bigby. A lot happened in a short period of time; so many rules were broken, there was a murder and on top of that, the man she's been working for had sexual fantasies about her. Not to mention hE got involved with the CM.

    From ep 1 to the very end, she was TRYING to establish order and a government that will work. She has so much on her plate now because of it.
    For now, it seems like she does not notice it.

  • I kind of agree with you, but I disagree that she didn't notice it. She must have, they had sooooooo many moments. I think she just chose not to act on them.

    JJwolf posted: »

    I don't think she used the 'sexual tension' to manipulate Bigby. A lot happened in a short period of time; so many rules were brok

  • She didn't know that until 20years later he told her

  • I wouldn't say Snow is manipulative, just more of a power tripper when she gets angry. People only side with her because they think it'll make Snow like them.

  • I wouldn't call her that if i were you.

  • edited July 2014

    That had nothing to do with me siding with Snow. Out of everyone in the game, she made the most sense.

    Basically she just does not want you to go around killing other Fables or beating on innocent ones. Not really an unreasonable thing to want.

    I wouldn't say Snow is manipulative, just more of a power tripper when she gets angry. People only side with her because they think it'll make Snow like them.

  • edited July 2014

    I was speaking in reference to the bad things she wanted, like burning the tree and wanting to send Toad & Collin to the farm without helping them get glamours.

    Belan posted: »

    That had nothing to do with me siding with Snow. Out of everyone in the game, she made the most sense. Basically she just does not want you to go around killing other Fables or beating on innocent ones. Not really an unreasonable thing to want.

  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator

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    I wouldn't call her that if i were you.

  • Belan to the rescue! It's like you're tasked to protect Snow's welfare. :P

    Belan posted: »

    That had nothing to do with me siding with Snow. Out of everyone in the game, she made the most sense. Basically she just does not want you to go around killing other Fables or beating on innocent ones. Not really an unreasonable thing to want.

  • Actually, she has no idea that he's attracted to her in that way at all. And she doesn't think of him any more that a colleague. He ignores his feelings for her for a long, long time, until the events that unravel in the comics. That's where he finally confesses his crush on her and she thinks its hilarious at first, kind of hurting him, though he's not one to show his feelings much. She still might have been manipulating him, however. She was just trying to get him to do the right thing in her mind, though the right thing is up to you to decide. All she wants to do is protect Fabletown, no matter how crap they are at doing it.
  • CrazyGeorgeCrazyGeorge Banned
    edited July 2014
    So your saying she is that oblivious? I don't think so, i think she knew his feelings, but never confronted him on it because of the awkwardness of the discussion. Remember when she gets all pissy at the beginning of episode 2, when Bigby is telling Snow that he beat the crap out of tweedle or the other one, can't remember because he thought she was dead. In my game she gets all bitchy and says " I am not yours to lose or something." Which makes me think she knows about his feelings.

    Personally i don't like Snow.
    EMMYPESS posted: »

    Actually, she has no idea that he's attracted to her in that way at all. And she doesn't think of him any more that a colleague. H

  • First of all there is no helping anyone that doesn't have a glamour, because there is no money.

    Second Greenleaf's tree was the main cause of Crooked Man enslaving fables. Also the 13th floor witches don't craft objects which they used to, hence the tree has no value.

    I was speaking in reference to the bad things she wanted, like burning the tree and wanting to send Toad & Collin to the farm without helping them get glamours.

  • But she didn't. She wants to know in the comics why he's suddenly interested in her after all these years. So, to be consistent with the comics, she pretty much has to be oblivious regardless of what is canon in the game.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    So your saying she is that oblivious? I don't think so, i think she knew his feelings, but never confronted him on it because of

  • She was also oblivious to other more obvious things in the beginning of the comics. I think even now in the most recent issues, she still doesn't entirely know what's going on around her despite how active the whole community is in dealing with it. She's still a great leader in my opinion.

    But she didn't. She wants to know in the comics why he's suddenly interested in her after all these years. So, to be consistent with the comics, she pretty much has to be oblivious regardless of what is canon in the game.

  • Well, she's somewhat disconnected from what's going on, now. I wouldn't say she's so much oblivious as that she's just not aware of everything that's happening.

    She's making her own moves to get Brandish, but I don't think she has any particular reason to really be aware of everything that's going on with Rose. Not even Rose fully understands what's happening.

    What are you specifically referring to that she's oblivious to in the comics other than Bigby's feelings for her? The stuff up at the farm? She was pretty slow in picking up on that.

    EMMYPESS posted: »

    She was also oblivious to other more obvious things in the beginning of the comics. I think even now in the most recent issues, sh

  • Oh come on! If Colin could see Bigby was interested.

    But she didn't. She wants to know in the comics why he's suddenly interested in her after all these years. So, to be consistent with the comics, she pretty much has to be oblivious regardless of what is canon in the game.

  • It's canon. She doesn't know.

    Wilder41 posted: »

    Oh come on! If Colin could see Bigby was interested.

  • I don't think she's manipulative, she just wants Bigby to do what she thinks is right. And most of the times, I agreed with what she thought was the right thing (sending Toad to the farm, bringing TCM back alive).

  • The writers make you trust Snow. In fact I think Snow and Bigby are meant to be like mom and dad, who both want the best for the town but may have different ideas and approaches. My Bigby disagreed almost entirely with Snow's suggestions -- I didn't burn down the tree, I didn't bring the CM back alive. But I always defended Snow in front of other people. And I feel like that's what the writers wanted. At the end I think Snow was just being professional and she was juggling a bunch of things, she's at work afterall.

    Also, in the comic I think Snow's character is meant to put up walls and be icy towards everyone. Even if she recognizes Bigby's attraction to her she probably doesn't want to face it because of her past and I think that's consistent with the character in the game.

  • edited August 2014

    I'm not so sure.
    I think Snow knew Bigby was attracted to her, and from what I saw, the feeling was mutual.
    As far her being manipulative, even if Bigby disagreed with her at certain points, she still stood by him.

    She is more ,"by the book," than Bigby is.
    And she has a strong personality.
    I think she was just wanting to catch the culprit, but wanted to do it the right way.
    Taking the law into one's own hands, is never good.
    So many problems can result from it!

  • Yeah, Snow is one of my least favorite characters honestly. From the start I just had this feeling that she looked down on Bigby, and was more aware of his feelings than she let on. I respect her as a headstrong woman, but she was just so cold most of the time, and when she was nice it didn't seem genuine to me. I think she cared about bringing justice to Fabletown, but I think she cared more about her own status tbh. It also bothered me a lot that she just appointed herself from Secretary to Mayor. I could understand if it was just temporary until they caught the killer, and then they'd hold an election or whatever, but that doesn't happen. She just automatically assumes she is the best person for the job without consulting anyone else. For this reason, I never agreed with her on anything and always kept my distance from choices that tread into emotional territory. I guess my suspicions were correct if she acts so cold to Bigby even if you side with her the whole game.

  • Actually Snow knew she was best fit and all of Fabletown agreed even wanted and expected it sooner (Book of Fables in Extras), even the Mayor (King Cole) agreed. Snow does overestimate her abilities though, she takes on three jobs at once (visible in the ending, and mentioned if you threw Crooky down the Witching Well). Minor Comic Spoiler Bigby ends up getting the Mayor to come back and makes Snow go on a vacation. The best description of Snow is that she is coldly strict, and loves her job.

    Fabletown Government 1700's to 1835

    Mayor: King Cole

    Head of Fabletown: Ichabod Crane

    Head of Fabletown Assistant: Snow White

    Head of Security: Bigby Wolf

    Fabletown Government 1835-1985

    Mayor: King Cole

    Deputy Mayor: Ichabod Crane

    Assistant to Deputy Mayor: Snow White

    Sheriff: Bigby Wolf

    Fabletown Government 1985-2001/2

    Mayor: King Cole

    Deputy Mayor: Snow White

    Assistant to Deputy Mayor: Boy Blue

    Sheriff: Bigby Wolf

    Tinni posted: »

    Yeah, Snow is one of my least favorite characters honestly. From the start I just had this feeling that she looked down on Bigby,

  • in the hope of winning Snow's heart

    Is that how you kids say it these days?

  • No, they say pussy instead of heart.

    ViralType posted: »

    in the hope of winning Snow's heart Is that how you kids say it these days?

  • She wants the D.

  • To an extent, I'd imagine Snow was aware of Bigby's feelings for her, but I think she more or less tried to downplay them.

    Don't forget that in Episode 2, Snow tells Bigby that she "wasn't [his] to lose."

  • edited August 2014

    I cant say you're wrong, but my opinion is unlikely to change.I've never been too keen on Snow's personality in either the game or the comics unfortunately. Thanks for the tidbit of information though, I had forgotten that part in the comic.

    LukaszB posted: »

    Actually Snow knew she was best fit and all of Fabletown agreed even wanted and expected it sooner (Book of Fables in Extras), eve

  • edited August 2014

    I strongly disagree.
    Snow is really complicated person. Her life in the past was not an easy one and she was hurt by a lot of people in the old days. I think, after what she has been through, she decided not to get involved in any serious relationships, just to protect herself.

    At the beginning of the comics, she tells Bigby, that they are only friends and nothing more. I think she was aware of his feelings and maybe she had some feelings towards him too, but she probably decided to ignore them, to not to let herself be hurt again. She builded a wall around herself, not allowed anybody to get too close, and probably decided that hard work for Fabletown community will be the best remedy.

    That's true that she is ambitious, has strong personality and tries to get what she wants - that is what you can see at first sight. There is also the second side of her character, but you need to read the comics to get to know her really. Really guys, it is worth reading :)

    In my playthrough I not always agreed with Snow, but anyone who called her (you know how) has been punched automatically ... :)

  • I cant call her that if i were you.

  • I dunno, maybe because she has a job?? Just a theory. I mean, after all, she 'is' replacing Icabod Crane. lol

  • dont think snow is manipulative lol shes only a bit mean sometimes

  • edited August 2014

    She's trying to hunt down a serial killer, keep Fable town in check, balance Bigby's investigating versus letting the Big Bad Wolf run amok and all the while all she gets in her ear from anybody but Bigby is how bad of a job she and the 'government' are doing about it. Oh, and then it turns out her boss is the potential suspect and lusting after her.

    Yeah no, I think cutting her some slack in the stress department is fair here. She's not manipulative. Back in Episode 1 there's not as much pressure on her shoulders but as the episodes progress you can tell it's weighing down on her. She's having to take on the responsibility of reigning in Bigby. She doesn't 'care' as much in Episode 1 because she's just deputy. She's there to balance Bigby's "at all costs" mentality.

    I don't know where you're getting the "loads of people did everything" remark from. All I saw after Episode 4 were cries of "I'M NOT LETTING COLIN GO TO THE FARM!" and other anti-Snow comments. What a surprise, it's the Pro-Nerissa crowd who hate her.

  • She has a dominant type A personality and you're confusing that with being a bitch, because women are "supposed" to be more passive. Snow White is a leader, not an Einstein (she occasionally compelled my Bigby to do some things I felt weren't quite rational or smart). Our Bigby's can say no and when people are going out of their way to please Snow to expedite a pixelated romance between the two it says more about the consumer playing the game than it does about the fictional character written by the writers. She's not a bitch, she's a misguided leader growing into her own.

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