I think Luke would be ashamed...

When Bonnie told Clementine she played a major part in Luke's untimely demise, one thing that came to mind was almost relief that Luke wasn't here to see an entire group festering away to nothing and a grown woman placing blame entirely on an eleven year old girl for a death no one could stop. I felt relief he was dead... to not see what his beloved Bonnie became.

I felt terrible that I never fully trusted him. He was a good man though, that much was made apparent in his final moments. Telling not only Clementine and Bonnie to stay away, but becoming increasingly more agitated with Bonnie for suggesting Clem help him. It shows just how wrong I was with his motives. His death really hit me hard, I'd almost say harder than Sarah's. I believe he was the glue to the group. Once he died, everyone's true colors were shown.

Anyway, that's my rant for the day. I would like to know what you thought once Bonnie flipped on Clementine. I was just thinking "at least Luke isn't here to see..."

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  • Bonnie is a selfish bitch.

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    I have a lot of biased toward her character. Now that that disclaimer is out of the way...

    Fuck Bonnie, I felt sick to even look at her. It shows though; once a traitor, always a traitor.

    She never changed.

    Bonnie is a selfish bitch.

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    Lets hope she runs into a walker ...... or twelve

  • I never liked Bonnie, even in 400 days. I wasn't too surprised that she ended up being so horrible.

    But really, she was the one that made the ice collapse and ultimately killed Luke and almost Clementine too and then she has the nerve to blame you? What should have happened was Luke lying on his stomach and just waiting while Bonnie and Clem shot the walkers and bought time. Kenny/Mike should have gone to the house and gotten something, maybe rope or whatever it was we later tied Arvo up with, and then brought it out for Luke.

    That or Bonnie should have not been an idiot for a moment and belly crawled over to Luke to help him.

  • Yeah, I covered him. He asked, so I did as instructed and helped. Then he and Bonnie went under. And when I saw Luke under the ice, I decided that I would do every little thing I could to break him out. Even with everyone telling me to stop and Jane saying it was hopeless, I was prepared to lose my life for Luke's sake.

    Then I saw him just... lifeless.

    Rynna posted: »

    I never liked Bonnie, even in 400 days. I wasn't too surprised that she ended up being so horrible. But really, she was the one

  • Good thing I let her ass drown and freeze to death. Fuckin' hypocrite. We're forced to forgive her for stabbing us in the back and getting our people killed, and then she pulls this crap on us? After so much begging: "Pls, I'm not like this. Forgive me!".

    Once a betrayer, always a betrayer. I'm done giving second chances.

  • Yup. I can't believe I liked her. Ugh

    I have a lot of biased toward her character. Now that that disclaimer is out of the way... Fuck Bonnie, I felt sick to even look at her. It shows though; once a traitor, always a traitor. She never changed.

  • I agree.

    Fuck Bonnie

  • LIKE

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    Good thing I let her ass drown and freeze to death. Fuckin' hypocrite. We're forced to forgive her for stabbing us in the back and

  • FUCK BONEY

    I agree. Fuck Bonnie

  • Buck Foney

    lee4life posted: »

    FUCK BONEY

  • Upvotes back

    Twistee posted: »

    LIKE

  • I want upvotes!

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    Upvotes back

  • I wonder if Luke knew about them running off or was that setup afterwards.

  • Afterwards obviously.

    Revec posted: »

    I wonder if Luke knew about them running off or was that setup afterwards.

  • I don't know how it worked in other playthroughs, but in my playthrough (I elected to cover him instead of help him out), I pretty much felt that Bonnie killed him. He might have been able to climb out on his own, but Bonnie went out onto that thin ice and just ruined all chances Luke had. Then she blamed Clementine after that AND tried to abandon her and take all of the supplies!?

    Seriously--forget, Bonnie. I never liked her in the first place.

  • Guys, Kenny did the same thing to Clementine except he dared to scream in her face. She's still in the early stages of grief so give her a break yall.

  • I thought all of these things, made these same decisions, and I had the exact same reaction. I went to pieces when I saw Luke under that ice, and I kept hammering away with the butt of my gun until it finally broke. Like, I lost all thought for my own (well, Clementine's) safety.

    Yeah, I covered him. He asked, so I did as instructed and helped. Then he and Bonnie went under. And when I saw Luke under the ice

  • edited September 2014

    I tried to break the ice, but Jane and Kenny warned me about doing it. Going out to him before he went under seemed silly to me. Even if Clem could, what could she do? She's not strong enough to pull him out and not break the ice too.

    I don't know how it worked in other playthroughs, but in my playthrough (I elected to cover him instead of help him out), I pretty

  • Bonnie didn't flip on me since I agreed that Luke's best chance was for the lightest person to try and reach him.

    I have seen PT's where they made the other choice however, and feel like it's a complete change of character for no good reason. It felt very forced.

  • K. I upvoted you.

    lee4life posted: »

    I want upvotes!

  • Bonnie wasn't mad at me in my play through because I chose to help Luke however I have seen youtuber's play and choose to cover Luke and Bonnie gets mad when really it was her fault, Luke could have made it out if she didn't walk over and make the ice collapse with her added weight:/ I can't be mad at her for really wanting to save Luke though because I really wanted to save him too but don't take it out on an 11 year old:/

  • I nerver trusted Bonnie and I hate her now. And I agree Luke would be ashamed. Bonnie had no right to blame Clementine for his death.

  • or a horde bigger than the one that attacked Carvers camp

    Lets hope she runs into a walker ...... or twelve

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    Dee: ha! take that Bonnie everybody calls you a bitch now!

  • Kenny blames Clem for Sarita's death and everyone says we should forgive him, Bonnie blames Clem for Luke's death and everyone wants her to die, fuck logic.

  • I think the difference is that a lot of people agree that Luke's death was actually Bonnie's fault.

    Not that Kenny's outburst was okay, but at least he apologizes.

    MindWeb posted: »

    Kenny blames Clem for Sarita's death and everyone says we should forgive him, Bonnie blames Clem for Luke's death and everyone wants her to die, fuck logic.

  • Am I late to the party?
    I have some pretty chilled tunes.
    I MISS LUKE ;-;

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    K. I upvoted you.

  • It was a real problem for me to decide which to do, because covering means hes 100% dead but you respect his wishes and does as he wants. The other allows there to be the small possibility that he isn't actually dead.

  • Well, I can't speak for everyone. But I was livid with Kenny just as I am with Bonnie.

    The big thing that separates the two however is that Bonnie later tried to abandon Clementine, AJ, Kenny, and Jane. That adds a lot more fuel.

    MindWeb posted: »

    Kenny blames Clem for Sarita's death and everyone says we should forgive him, Bonnie blames Clem for Luke's death and everyone wants her to die, fuck logic.

  • It's funny, because I always liked Bonnie, and in my playthrough she never had the chance to either say something cruel like putting blame on Clem, or betraying Clem and going with Arvo and Mike. In my playthrough she fell into the lake, and I was one hit away from breaking the ice before stopping myself. So she died before turning out to be an awful human being for me.

  • Bonnie was having her Kenny Moment, you should of known better to talk to a woman with a cigarette in her mouth, after bad news. It was a clear sign of disaster. Especially after she let the words out, i like Luke at the fire.

  • I feel like such an asshole for not liking Luke until episode 5. :(

  • I liked Luke, i just didn't think he was reliable. Now thinking back, he was the only reliable character in the group without mental problems.

    TWD_25 posted: »

    I feel like such an asshole for not liking Luke until episode 5.

  • This. Also covering him just seems smarter to me and it shows Luke we trust him, yet it doesn't show that heroic saving Clem scene if we do that

    CSN2014 posted: »

    It was a real problem for me to decide which to do, because covering means hes 100% dead but you respect his wishes and does as he wants. The other allows there to be the small possibility that he isn't actually dead.

  • How do you think covering him is more dangerous? I thought it'd be safer because any added weight would've broken the ice.

    CSN2014 posted: »

    It was a real problem for me to decide which to do, because covering means hes 100% dead but you respect his wishes and does as he wants. The other allows there to be the small possibility that he isn't actually dead.

  • I felt relief he was dead... to not see what his beloved Bonnie became.

    I honestly don't think Luke liked Bonnie as much as she liked him. But personally I would've loved if Luke had been there to see that, he'd totally tell Bonnie off for blaming everything on Clem, and finally see that idiot's true colours.

    That being said though, Bonnie wasn't mean to my Clem since I decided to go help Luke, but I never liked Bonnie since 400 Days, and never fully forgave her for getting the group captured. I was close to it after finishing episode 4, even though I was still as mean as I could be to her in episode 4, and then even at the start of episode 5, I didn't trust her enough to tell her about Luke's troubles, which I'm glad for. I almost had a moment where I liked her in episode 5 during their optional conversation though, but then she offered Clem a cigarette, and that was what made me hate her again. Not betraying the group, because I always thought she'd end up doing that, but apocalypse or not, you don't offer children cigarettes, even Pete knew that, and he would've snapped at Bonnie if he were there.

    I didn't hate her as much as everyone else did initially though, which is strange since I hated her a lot even after episode 3, but thinking over her actions, even though she was nice to my Clem, she still tried to doom both her and AJ by taking all the supplies, and she had the perfect opportunity to ask Clem if she wanted to go with them, but she didn't do it. Plus she is to blame for Luke's death, if she didn't go over to get him, or suggest for Clem to do it instead, he could've lived! Screw Bonnie.

  • What do you mean more dangerous? neither of us mention it being more dangerous? :s

    TWD_25 posted: »

    How do you think covering him is more dangerous? I thought it'd be safer because any added weight would've broken the ice.

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    Bonnie didn't flip on me in my first playthrough cause I chose to go and help Luke but I really couldn't believe it when I saw it on my alternate playthrough! I really didn't expect that from her. First Kenny blames Clem for Sarita's death, then Bonnie blames her for Luke's death when there was nothing she could do and Clem already feels guilty about Lee's death. It's a sad thing to say and I would do everything to avoid that happening to her, but sometimes I wonder if Clem wouldn't be better off alone, maybe when she's a little older.

    I guess it's just so easy for some adults to put the blame on little kids to ease their own conscience. Some people think that children don't suffer as much as adults and I think that they're completely wrong.

  • She wasn't mad at my Clem, but still, fuck her. Luke's death is totally her fault in the "Cover" scenario. I really grew to like her in Episodes 3 and 4, too. Luke's death really is what fractured the group. After he was gone everything just turned to shit.

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