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Why is it so?

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It's not difficult to mention that people mostly love Kenny and hate Lilly. Well if with Lilly it's more or less understandable, but with Kenny I do not understand. I played first season several times. During the first time I mostly support Kenny. I agreed to kill Larry. So he was my friend, kinda. Next time I support him everytime, but refused to kill Larry. And till the end of the game Kenny was ..... asshole, real asshole. He didn't help to cope with zombie, when Lee asked "What the hell?" the answer was "you're not a child, you can do it by yourself!" Everytime he was showing off, did what he wanted, despite what is group's need. And finally when it came to decide who will come with Lee look for Clem he said " I'm try to imagine if I were you what would be your decision? Likely you would not go," WHAT?! This phrase just killed me.
So, please, explain to me, why do you love Kenny so much?

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    God, this is like the 7th topic on Lilly this week, how much more do we need?

    Kenny definetely has his flaws no one is arguing against that, when he holds a grudge he wont let go of it easy.
    BUT unlike Lilly he also had redeeming qualities like saving Lee's life and sacrificing himself for Christa/Ben.
    Yeah he is an asshole, but he is our asshole.

    • Thumbs up & agreed. I'm getting sick of the Lilly vs. Kenny threads too, it's been done to death.

    • The topic is not about Lilly. Well, you started))))))Unlike Lilly - she didn't have time to redeem. TTG let her out. About her we can speak in the same way as about Kenny. The only difference is that we know Kenny longer.

    • Saying Lilly has no redeeming qualities is over-exaggeration.

      I mean, for one she cares a lot about her family. Isn't that a good quality? She is also nice to Clem, giving her 'hair thingies' to use while she sleeps.

      Also, if you side with her, she's actually pretty lovely to Lee at times.

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        Yeah, she is so nice to Clem that she makes her watch while she murders Carley/Doug in cold blood for no reason

        • You say 'makes her watch'.

          DId Lilly make her watch any more than Kenny made her watch bashing Larry's head in while he was alive instead of holding it over his head just in case?

          Kenny also wanted Lee to drop Ben in the bell tower, and Ben was Clementine's friend.

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            C'mon that was a life threating situation. They all witnessed how fast David Parker turned into a walker at the motor inn. He panicked and reacted fast which was the right thing to do, covering Clem's eyes wasnt his top priority in that intense moment where every second counts, and just for the record Kenny told Katja to keep Duck from the windows after Lilly murdered Carley/Doug which shows that he doesnt want children to witness that kind of thing if possible. In the end what Kenny did was a neccesity, and wasnt based on petty anger which was the case with Lilly on the road.

            Oh yeah, Ben is Clementines "friend" allright.

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          • We'll if you just found out someone pretty much killed your family would u nit want them to die and he did wait to tell you
            I love ben but that was a stupid move

            • I would to begin with, but after I had calmed down slightly I would not advise my friend to drop that person to their death.

              • That's exactly how Kenny was. He had a gun on him the entire time, but after returning from Crawford he never tries to murder Ben. In the attic you can even tell Kenny that Ben wanted to die, and Kenny says he's glad Lee saved him.

                • ...But after 5 minutes he still tells Lee to kill him, even after his original burst of anger.

                  • Rage like that isn't going to be a one second thing. His entire family was dead because of Ben, and the fact that Kenny didn't outright murder Ben upon returning to the mansion speaks volumes. Do you really think anyone would calm down in five minutes after discovering something like that? Ben literally took away every reason Kenny had to live, but in mere hours after finding out Kenny actually forgives him.

              • So now u know how kenny felt he just found out that ben did hes gonna want to kill him but after calming down a bit (and getting to understand) ben he immediately regrets wanting to drop him

                • Not really. "For some reason I tried to save that shitbird Ben!" or whatever he said. That disappointed me. I thought that was a redeeming moment for Kenny.

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                    Its now what he said but how he said it.

                    • That didnt make it better. It sounded like he regretted it because he still hated Ben.

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                        I guess you would have just gone ahead and completely forgiven a person for being responsible for whole your family's death then? Ok.

                        Its easy to judge people, but try to put yourself in his position and tell me HONESTLY that you would have been completely ok with that person, because you cant.

                        Kenny risked his life to make sure Ben didnt experience his worst nightmare (being eaten alive), that alone still stands as a redeeming quality for Kenny.

                        Actions speak louder than words.

                        • Plus, just because time has passed that doesn't make Ben any less of a shitbird.

                        • If I thought enough to try to put myself in harms way to save his life, and failing that, try to put him out of his misery and, like you say, save him from his worst nightmare, I would think that my feelings my change a little bit. What was the point of that at all if he still hated him just as much? He seemed to be understanding of him when Ben went off on him back at the mansion and I got the feeling that he was starting to forgive him then or at least not blame him so harshly. And please dont tell me what I can and cant do. I put myself in the character's shoes all the time, thats why I have sympathy for Ben when so many people dont.

                          • However Kenny may have felt about Ben in Season 1 or when we see him again in Season 2, the fact that he would put his life on the line for Ben like that is good enough for me. Even if he still hated Ben, he was willing to give his life doing the right thing simply because it was the right thing. If Kenny TRULY hated Ben he would have left him. Even if he does regret it in Season 2, it might be that he regrets staying in the alley itself rather than just shooting Ben and getting behind the gate with Lee. He DID almost die because he stayed with Ben when it was pretty clear he couldn't be saved.

                            • Fair enough, but I still dont like that he said that to Clementine. "Remember your friend that died a horrible death? He's still a shitbird."

                              • That's not really what Kenny said. It seemed more of an offhand comment to me, especially given the way he said it. I didn't really feel any malice in it, but what more is to be expected when he's talking about the person who took away every reason Kenny had to live?

                                • I dont know. I appreciate you being on his side but Im not ready to forgive Kenny just yet. He just angered me way too much.

                                  • That's understandable. Kenny did some pretty unjustifiable things in Season 1 if you didn't side with him. I managed to be on his side enough to be his bro and get the bro speech in Episode 4, but I can totally understand why someone wouldn't like him if they didn't side with him.

      • So lovely she'll leave you and everyone else even if you've been good to her

  • "What's the most important thing in this world? What's the one thing a guy would walk hundreds of miles to get back, a godlike beard. It's a difficult world out there without facial hair you can trust."

  • I had the same experience that you did with Kenny, all because I wouldnt help him kill Larry. When he refused to help me look for Clementine, I had no more use for him. That's why being all loving with Clementine in the last episode didnt give me the warm fuzzies like it did everyone else. All I could think was, "You would have let her die just to spite Lee."

    • Like many have said clementine is my family reminds ken that while you didn't agree with him you took care of his family when they needed it most (or helped him do the right thing) and he never forgot that

      • Abandoning Clementine should never have crossed his mind, thats all Im saying. I shouldnt have had to talk him into it when Christa and Omid were willing and they had only been with the group for a few days.

    • After my first play when I helped him with Larry. So, as I said he was my friend. I didn't fall in love with this character, but at least I was positive about him. And when in S2e2 it came to choose between Kenny and Luke, I was confused. But now, after that I don't have any doubt

    • Why are you assuming that he would be doing that in spite? Maybe he doesn't think there is any hope of finding her. If that's the case, why would he put his neck on the line looking for her when he doesn't care about Lee or what he does?

      • I didnt have to assume. It was his words, paraphrasing here. 'I keep thinking to myself, if my family was in trouble, would you be there for me, because I dont think you would have been." Im sure I butchered that but the jist was that he thinks Lee wasnt there for him, which was total BS, so he is paying him back by not helping him. Spite. And why wouldnt he care about Lee? Lee was supposed to be his friend. They spent three months or more together and Lee stuck his neck out for Kenny's family. He face a gun twice to try to save Katja and Duck. So, that was part of what made me so mad, him disregarding everything Lee did for him.

        • You still don't know that it's being done out of spite. Hes simply saying he is not going out of his way to help someone who he feels hasn't helped him in turn. Like I said above, if he thinks going after Clem is a waste of time obviously he isn't going to go out of his way risking his neck for someone he doesn't care about (Lee).

          I'm not sure what you could have done to Kenny to make him feel this way if you supposedly supported him and his family, because I definitely did not support Kenny on everything yet he still went with me to find Clem, no questions asked.

          Either way, I don't know why you would let this one thing sink his character for you. I don't think anyone is going to act like Kenny is perfect, but his heart is in the right place and he is generally a good guy. He is relatively smart/logical and can make quick decisions. He is tough as nails and will never give up without a fight. Overall I would say he is a likable character/ person.

          • That wasnt one thing, that was the last thing. The straw that broke the camel's back. After all the times he barked at me, the times he tried to leave me for dead, the times he just generally treated my Lee like crap, not helping Clementine when she was kidnapped by a crazy man and Lee was dying was just one bridge too far. I get that you like him but I think he is a very flawed and unlikable person sometimes.

            • Then you could not have seriously been siding with him on things. I'm guessing you didn't help him finish off Larry in the meat locker? (which is a really poor decision in my opinion..)

              Like I said above, I wasn't someone who constantly had to bring myself to agree with everything he said. Even while disagreeing with him he was mostly a good guy to me. Overall I did agree with his way of thinking though, because he generally had the right idea about things. His negative qualities do not outweigh his good ones.

              • I said that I didnt help him kill Larry and he was a jerk to me from that moment on.

                • It's understandable that he would be very upset with you. He was forced to do something very gruesome (yet necessary) and inhumane with zero support. He basically saves everyone's life but ends up looking like the bad guy just because you didn't stand by him in a situation where he really needed you on his side.

                  And that's not even touching on the fact that you were personally putting everyone in danger by not helping him.

                  • That was only his interpretation. Obviously Lee felt differently, but we'll agree to disagree on this. Suffice it to say, Kenny will have to work hard to get me back.

  • Get off Lilly's dick god damnit ! Stop bringing her in your thread that's becoming annoying as fuck !

  • I liked Kenny /because/ he was an asshole, and because he cracked me up a lot while playing Season One. I doubt he would be my best bro in a zombie apocalypse--just too unreliable. But I'll tell you something I did love from Ep. 2 of Season Two--Kenny actually mentioned the fact that as Lee, I took care of Duck for him. I thought that was pretty cool.

    • Wow, interesting opinion))))) Thank you)))
      I'm thinking about this one. If in the first season Kenny was fried with Lee, it is clear why he's going to take care of Clem. But in case if not... it's strange, isn't it? Clem and Kenny did not have a lot of interactions. Even Lee paid more attention to Duck, then Kenny to Clem. He refused to look for Clementine (unless you say about family). And here we are "Clem will stay here!" - what's the hell?

  • Its really unthinkable that people can rationally like Kenny unless they happen to agree with everything he says. Hes so irrational and just impossible to talk to.

    Theres just SO many situations you can use to prove he doesnt respect Lee, none better than the meat locker scene. If Kenny did trust Lee, he would LISTEN to him, but he doesnt, he just does things his way because everyone else is ALWAYS wrong in his eyes.

  • The more humane you act, the more they both start to dislike you.

  • I think Kenny's more well loved on this forum than he is by players in general. Remember that most people tried to save Larry and saved Ben.

    I like the use Lee's line "We were assholes together" to describe him, because i still like him for some reason.

  • In season 1 I cared about two things, keeping Clem safe and keeping myself alive. I don't care much about hurting other people's feeling in the game but I made sure that what I chose doesn't get me killed or in any harm. So overall this Kenny and Lily thing doesn't matter to me.

    • Good point))) but what is your attitude to Kenny in season 2? Basically we transfer our emotions, attitudes from the first season to the second one. And what about you? What was you "table" decision?)))

      • I decided to go to Kenny. I don't really know anything about the other gang apart from they are being hunted. Kenny seem like a better choice at the time. I also wanted to see if he tell me, through flashback or speech, how the hell he survived.

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