Predictions/Foreshadowing Discussion

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edited February 2015 in Game Of Thrones

Just to note: There will be show spoilers:

I figured this would be a good thread to make predictions/discuss predictions about what you think will happen or any type of foreshadowing you think you may have caught onto.

For my first contribution, I personally think at some point we'll have to negotiate with Tywin for the rights to sell ironwood somewhere down the road in King's Landing. With Tyrion out of the picture and Tyrion stating that Tywin was taking an interest in it, it makes sense the decision on Ironwood to fall to Tywin at this point. Charles Dance also seems to be fine with voicing in video games considering his role in Witcher 3 as Emperor Emhyr.

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  • Rodrik's "I'm going to kill that man." in response to Lard Whitehill certainly means something.

  • edited February 2015

    Lady Forrester's "to kill even Whitehill babies" (paraphrasing here). Something cruel is coming up.

  • Yeah my ex-gf thinks Lady Forrester is kind of a bad ass in waiting. Like one more push and heads will roll even if one of them is hers. Lady has no F's left to give.

    ninoobz posted: »

    Lady Forrester's "to kill even Whitehill babies" (paraphrasing here). Something cruel is coming up.

  • In Episode 1, Duncan said that given the chance, he'd gladly stick a knife through Lord Whitehill's heart and hope's someday he will. That was before we'd even seen Lord Whitehill. And Royland has made similar statements too, so I suspect the plan is if they have enough people swearing something, whoever does it in the end, it'll still look like foreshadowing.

  • edited February 2015

    Bear in mind these are paraphrased:

    "One way or another, the Night's Watch will be your death." - Frostfinger, Ep2

    "You're taking your vows. You too, Tuttle. Time to prove you're a true brother." - Frostfinger, Ep3

    I've always suspected Gared might die, but now I'm led to believe he somehow breaks his vows and is executed or punished.

    "Let's get you by a fire or you'll end up like Frostfinger." - Jon

    Gared gets frostbite while searching for the North Grove, or steals supplies and has three fingers taken.

  • She's totally gonna do it without Rodrick's permission and get herself killed.

    ninoobz posted: »

    Lady Forrester's "to kill even Whitehill babies" (paraphrasing here). Something cruel is coming up.

  • She's pretty much the Carl of Game of Thrones, because her doing things behind the lord's back and Carl not staying in the house are pretty similar.

    Mowen posted: »

    She's totally gonna do it without Rodrick's permission and get herself killed.

  • I bet Gared is going to break his vows by leaving after he finds the North Grove, since his main agenda is to help House Forrester. I don't think he knew he would have to swear such an unbreakable oath when he signed up.

    JakeSt123 posted: »

    Bear in mind these are paraphrased: "One way or another, the Night's Watch will be your death." - Frostfinger, Ep2 "

  • Totally

    She's pretty much the Carl of Game of Thrones, because her doing things behind the lord's back and Carl not staying in the house are pretty similar.

  • I think badass may be the wrong word - I feel like she's going to cross some serious moral boundaries against the Whitehills, and go way too far. More berserker in waiting.

    Yeah my ex-gf thinks Lady Forrester is kind of a bad ass in waiting. Like one more push and heads will roll even if one of them is hers. Lady has no F's left to give.

  • Either that, he's going to die, or he's going to stay on as caretaker of the grove. Gared will only survive as long as his actions contribute to the broader, Forrester-centric, plot, and once he finds the North Grove, he's going to have to shift objectives to remain relevant, or he'll be killed off.

    I bet Gared is going to break his vows by leaving after he finds the North Grove, since his main agenda is to help House Forrester. I don't think he knew he would have to swear such an unbreakable oath when he signed up.

  • I feel like things might go very, very wrong with Elaena Glenmore - Telltale's branching storylines don't usually remain branched for long, so I suspect that Gryff Whitehill will compete with Rodrik for her hand - either he'll win it, or more likely kill her or kidnap her - something that will merge the story branches, in a thoroughly unpleasant manner.

    Or she might just exit the story until the very end where she shows up with an army to back you, regardless of what happened. Please let that be what happens, I like her.

  • That would be cool, just to have Gared be a monk that lives in the north grove or something. Maybe he'll go off on a mission with a few other men, find the north Grove, then they get killed off. Since the Wall assumes he's dead, they don't go looking for him, leaving him to be caretaker of the grove. Maybe he'll make friends with the wildlings.

    maimed_dan posted: »

    Either that, he's going to die, or he's going to stay on as caretaker of the grove. Gared will only survive as long as his actions

  • He'd have to be a badass, ice-zombie killing monk.

    Wait a moment, that's awesome, yes please.

    That would be cool, just to have Gared be a monk that lives in the north grove or something. Maybe he'll go off on a mission with

  • I'm going to be so happy if this is what happens in Sons of Winter, and for the rest of the game, he's becoming leader of the wildlings. Maybe they'd even eventually make a small revolt on the Wall. I've never watched the show, so I don't know if this would work, but it would be awesome. They would set up their little avatar-like story.

    maimed_dan posted: »

    He'd have to be a badass, ice-zombie killing monk. Wait a moment, that's awesome, yes please.

  • That, unfortunately, would conflict with the show. No one's going to go that high profile - the wildlings are an important part of the plot, as is their leader and his lieutenants, and are far too large and insular to accept a random, unseasoned outsider as their leader. Meeting and cooperating with a small group of wildlings and helping them get past The Wall, however, would be a possibility.

    I'm going to be so happy if this is what happens in Sons of Winter, and for the rest of the game, he's becoming leader of the wild

  • Goddamnit. Well we can hope for the second option then. This seems like more of a season 2 thing though. I think getting to the North Grove is the priority in the first season. I still have no idea what's there...

    maimed_dan posted: »

    That, unfortunately, would conflict with the show. No one's going to go that high profile - the wildlings are an important part of

  • I just realized...What if the North Grove is not a place, but a statue or some magic talisman or something...

    Goddamnit. Well we can hope for the second option then. This seems like more of a season 2 thing though. I think getting to the North Grove is the priority in the first season. I still have no idea what's there...

  • It's possible, they could certainly throw a curveball like that. I think the most likely possibility is that it's a secret cache of Ironwood trees, so even if everything goes to hell, their forests get destroyed and everything goes wrong (which, at this rate, it will), House Forrester can come back from it because they always have a little left over that no one knows about, and they can transplant enough trees to recover.

    Or, it's the source of something they will use to recover, which may well be magic, although I doubt it - magic is something that most people in GoT-verse thought had long gone from the world, but has just recently begun to return.

    I just realized...What if the North Grove is not a place, but a statue or some magic talisman or something...

  • I'd assume Gared would at least survive until the battle at Castle Black. I doubt they'd have bothered with all that swordfight/crossbow/barrel tutorial if it wasn't going to become required later. As for the North Grove, it's one thing finding it and another protecting and actually making use of it. Assuming it is just another large grove of Ironwood trees north of the Wall that only the Forresters know the location of (thanks to Lord Gregor's great uncle, who was a ranger), it's not going to be much use that far north unless Gared offers/sells it to Stannis, on behalf of the Forresters, in return for his protection against the Boltons.

    JakeSt123 posted: »

    Bear in mind these are paraphrased: "One way or another, the Night's Watch will be your death." - Frostfinger, Ep2 "

  • Maybe a cliché, but i expect a downhill battle from here for the Forresters, and when things are most dire, Asher will come save the day with his army. Pretty much what Tywin did for Kings Landing.

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    My prediction is that Roose bolton shows up sick of the infighting.

    He gives the youngest whitehill to us as a hostage so we both keep our agreement to have half the ironwood and to stop the fighting have a marrige between the families

    If Rodrik failed to wed Eleana =, Roose betroths him to Gwyn whitehall

    If Rodrik won the betrothal to Eleana then Roose betroths Talia to Griff

    Obviously neither house is happy about this but it has to happen, I just think Whitehill going against the bolton order is going to come back on him

    I also think it will end up with Lady Forrester mistreating the Whitehill ward badly

  • edited February 2015

    When looking at the family portrait in the Great Hall during Episode 1, Gared can say "It's never easy being the fourth born son" when he looks at Ryon.

    I'm thinking this is actually foreshadowing for Gryff Whitehill, and we may feel some semblance of sympathy for him as he might come across as a twat initially but it could turn out he's just trying to prove himself to his father. Ludd only says Gryff is a man he trusts, not a man he's proud of or anything.

    There must have been a specific reason they chose to make Gryff a "Snot-nosed fourth born".

  • "to kill even Whitehill babies" may foreshadow her killing Gryff. I know he's not technically a baby but he is one of Lord Whitehill's youngest sons (fourth born) if not the youngest.

    ninoobz posted: »

    Lady Forrester's "to kill even Whitehill babies" (paraphrasing here). Something cruel is coming up.

  • That's a good spot. All the potential foreshadowing in this game is making me think everything is foreshadowing XD

    "to kill even Whitehill babies" may foreshadow her killing Gryff. I know he's not technically a baby but he is one of Lord Whitehill's youngest sons (fourth born) if not the youngest.

  • Yeah during the show I notice a lot of foreshadowing (I know its gonna happen because of the books). Like Littlefinger says "men die everywhere... some on their chamber pots..." referring to Tywin. I think Telltale is trying to incorporate that in the game too which is cool but I might be picking up foreshadows out of nothing xD

    JakeSt123 posted: »

    That's a good spot. All the potential foreshadowing in this game is making me think everything is foreshadowing XD

  • Mira is going to be arrested and killed in either episode 3 or 4.

    Regardless of whether or not you was able to secure the betrothal to Eleana, her father will marry her to Gryff Whitehill.

  • I imagine once we've taken our vows, Gared will get a letter from Duncan saying "Shits gone down, you may as well come home." and we could be given a choice of desert and go home, or stay... this IS Telltale we're talking about, so I don't know.

  • OzzyUKOzzyUK Moderator

    I have a feeling that Gared might stay at Castle Black until some time around the battle, the crossbow and sword training made me suspect that we might be using them in the battle and then flee back to Ironrath or to the North Grove either during the battle or just after the battle has finished.

    The battle was a exciting and major part of the TV series and it would be great to experience it first-hand and from a different perspective, knowing Telltale they might also make us choose to save either Cotter or Finn at some point in the battle.

  • Have bad feelings for Asher and Gwyn. I don't remember any ASoIaF love story having a happy ending. Same goes for Rodrik and Elaena betrothal. Weddings in Westeros are more dangerous than battles.

  • Also, someone has to get to Dorne next season. Will we be playing the same family though?

  • I doubt they'll kill off all the Forresters this season, though the next season might not centre around just them. Maybe we'll see a few additional POV characters like a random hedge knight or something who is eventually picked up by House Forrester or something, or maybe new characters won't interact with the Forresters at all, but we still play as whoever survived from the original Season. Kind of like the books where new POVs are introduced but the old ones still stick around too.

    ninoobz posted: »

    Also, someone has to get to Dorne next season. Will we be playing the same family though?

  • I really think Rodrick will kill Lord Whitehill with his walking stick because Rodrick can say hes going to kill him and Whitehill can say : are you going to bludgeon me with your walking stick?"

  • Tbh I have no idea how will this all turn out but it's always nice to speculate :p

    Gared: Gared will become a ranger. He gets some kind of mission and goes beyond the wall with small team. Perhaps Finn, Cotter and Frostfinger. First they will have problems with some wildlings, get captured. Then the white walkers attack them, Frostfinger dies and we must choose between saving Cotter or Finn. We survive, maybe one of the wildlings survives too and we must choose what to do with him/her (kill/capture/let go). As we travel through the cold forest we find the North Grove and that will be the climax of Gared's story in this season. - Or he just stays in CB and Battle of Castle Black is the climax.

    Asher: We go to Meereen trying to get help from that guy Beskha and Asher were talking about in ep.2. However it doesn't work out, we might even get to some trouble because of it. Also the "unfinished business" that Beskha has there bites us in the ass. Malcolm or Beskha suggest us to ask help from Daenerys. We end up serving her, she gives us gold, we finally get the money and gather a small army of sellswords. Asher's season ends with him marching away from Meereen with his army. Lol, kinda shit prediction but I really have no clue what will he do and how he meets Dany (because he certainly will) etc.

    Rodrik/Ironrath: Gryff comes, acts like dickhead. Lady Forrester goes psycho and kills Gryff. After that she gets killed ofc and the rest of Forresters are captured and Ironrath will be ruined, perhaps Rodrik will be taken as prisoner to Highpoint. Gwynn frees him and Ryon. Rodrik marries Elaena. Together with Glenmore forces Rodrik defeats Whitehills. Ludd will die but perhaps his sons will escape (to Dreadfort or Winterfell). Well perhaps at least some points of this will happen.

    I wont speculate with Mira's story, too hard :D Well Sera will betray her, that's sure :p

  • edited February 2015

    This contains some spoilers from the HBO TV series: Game of Thrones

    From the extended version of Talia's Ballad in episode 2 at the end credits here's my interpretation...

    Sources:

    • May kings and queens melt down their crowns.
    • A pyre on Aegon's hill.
    • In floods of gold, I pray they drown,
    • For all the blood they spilled.

    This is a reference to the Purple Wedding.

    'A pyre on Aegon's hill': refers to King Joffrey's dead body (which will literally be on a pyre on Aegon's hill after the Purple Wedding passes).

    • Mance, sound the horn of winters past
    • Call starving giants forth.
    • Urge cannibals to break their fast,
    • On wardens of the North.

    This is a reference to the Wilding's invasion on the wall

    'Mance, sound the horn of winters past': Refers to Mance Rayder (king of the Wildlings) blowing the horn to launch his invasion on the wall and the start of winter.

    'Call starving giants forth.': The giants serving Mance coming forth to attack the wall to get to Westeros.

    'Urge cannibals to break their fast, On wardens of the North': Breaking a fast means ending a period of not eating. As they are cannibals, this means that they should begin eating humans and stop their fast - she suggests these humans be the "wardens of the North" - this title is held by House Bolton. The cannibals referenced are the Thenn clan, who serve Mance.

    Side note: The Thenn clan do not actually eat the Boltons - it is simply showing her anger towards House Bolton and the perspective of the Wildlings who are invading the wall.

    • Eastern mages empty the veins,
    • Of beasts across the sea.
    • Paint Slaver's Bay in crimson rains,
    • To bring Ethan back to me.

    Is a likely reference to Daenerys conquest of the three cities on Slaver's Bay, with particular focus to Meereen.

    'Eastern mages empty the veins, Of beasts across the sea.': Most likely refers to Daenerys dragons. Essos is east of Westeros, and so mages in Essos are "eastern mages".

    'Paint Slaver's Bay in crimson rains, To bring Ethan back to me.': Slaver's Bay serves the cities of Yunkai, Meereen and Astapor. These are the three cities liberated by Daenerys through battle. Blood will be spilled whilst Daenerys does so in the form of 'crimson rains' which will turn the water red with blood. 'Bring Ethan back to me' is possibly a reference that Asher will return to Westeros or that he will find an army to avenge Ethan.

    What does this all mean?

    I believe that the ballad is foreshadowing what is to come in the series in chronologically order.

    In the TV series these three events (the Purple wedding, Wildling attack on the wall and liberation of Meereen) played particular significance. Each of these events will likely be attended by a member of House Forrester - as has been set up in the game. Mira is in King's Landing, where the Purple wedding takes place. Gared is at Castle Black, where the Wildlings launch their attack. Asher is heading towards Meereen - the city which Daenerys will liberate and become queen of.

    In episode 3 it is well established that Mira will be attending the Purple Wedding. As a result of this it is my belief that the Wildlings attack on the Wall will take place in episode 4 and that Daenerys' liberation of Meereen will come about in episode 5. This is because the structure of the Ballad suggests that after "a pyre on Aegon's hill" will be Mance sounding "the horn" and then the painting of "Slaver's Bay in crimson rains".

    An added interpretation from the A Song of Ice and Fire books may be found in the comment below. Containing spoilers.

  • edited February 2015

    'Mance, sound the horn of winters past' : This refers to the Horn of Winter which awakes the Giants - "Call starving giants forth.".

    'Eastern mages empty the veins, Of beasts across the sea.': Aeron Targaryen's dragon egg had fiery veins.

  • They better include the Battle of Castle Black. It was one of the best moments of the entire show IMO and not including it would be a huge mistake on their part.

  • It would be cool if Rodrick was given the choice to either kill Gwyn or spare her life. If he killed her then Asher would get really mad, if he spared her then maybe something bad would happen to the house. Could be a really tough choice.

    "to kill even Whitehill babies" may foreshadow her killing Gryff. I know he's not technically a baby but he is one of Lord Whitehill's youngest sons (fourth born) if not the youngest.

  • In episode 2 Frostfinger tells Gared something like "Sooner or later The night's watch will be your death. When it comes, try to make it quick." Possible foreshadowing?

  • Anyone who says they didn't choose that line is a filthy liar

    Rodrik's "I'm going to kill that man." in response to Lard Whitehill certainly means something.

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