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  • yeah but 9 though he couldn't resist cameoing in 400 days and technically he was unseen in the trailer for episode 2 which was in episode 1

    9 technically. Edit: Actually 8. He wasn't in 201.

  • My first play through, I was more pressured into it with Kenny's whole "I know you've got my back, you always do." I didn't want to let him down, so I did it. The only thing I regret is doing it in front of Clem.

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator

    EVERYONE saw he had a heart condition in the Drug Store when he gets too worked up, and he pulled out of that fine, even going a good amount of time without medicine while Lee got some.

    Lilly does mention that he's also had a share of bad attacks that he wasn't able to get over on his own and had to go to the ER for, though

    And the one in episode 1 was no where near as severe as the one in episode 2. He was still able to talk and stay conscious after his attack in episode 1, but he fell unconscious and stopped breathing during his attack in episode 2. Those are two good warning signs of a medical emergency.

    I don't understand at all how they misunderstood this. EVERYONE saw he had a heart condition in the Drug Store when he gets too wo

  • It was the start of me opening my eyes to just how sick and rotten Kenny was as a human, not only killing an unconscious human with little remorse but also him sitting back watching Lee's potential death as his family would've no doubt been killed as a consequence to his negligence.

    What a tosser.

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited May 2015

    I felt conflicted to say the least. Kenny had a valid point in that Larry posed a definite threat. But at the same time, I'm too much of a nice guy to just jump straight to conclusions. I helped Larry, but at the same time I don't hold what Kenny did against him, and never will.

    I went with the "you're no hero" option at the end of the episode, which honestly summed up my feelings about Kenny pretty well, which is that he's in the middle; he's no hero, but he's not a bad guy either. He made a tough call that falls in a very grey area, and his choice wasn't completely unfounded. Hasty, sure, but he definitely had ground to stand on in his choice. I can't disagree that from a moral standpoint it was the wrong thing to do, but in a situation like that, it extends beyond simple morality, and beyond a binary black and white perspective.

    The only thing I never liked about the scene is the exact level of anger Kenny holds against you. I can understand the guy being pissed about you practically leaving him on his own to do it. Standing alone on an unpopular choice is never easy. No one wanted to be the one guy in class that had the wrong answer when everyone else was right, you know?

    I can even forgive the barn scene when Danny attacks you. I found his reactions to quite heavily imply that he simply froze up, and that it was nothing personal. He wasn't trying to purposely get Lee killed in that scene (or at least, nothing close to when he left Lee under the door in episode 3). In fact, if you look closely, you'll see that he is about to open his mouth and say something to Lee (most likely an apology) before being distracted by Katjaa's screams and running off.

    However, most of his behavior over the course of the first half of episode 3 was pretty despicable. Half of it was in complete spite where it felt like he was being a dick just for the sake of being a dick. And it definitely doesn't help make anyone think much higher of him. All these scenes do is give people that already hate him even more reason to hate him. Lilly being angry at you if you helped Kenny kill her dad is actually understandable, and you can't really hold that against her. But the shit Kenny does is just petty.

    Frankly, I didn't mind him in episode 3's back half, nor did I mind him throughout episode 4. It was really only the first half of episode 3 that it felt like he was going way too far over the line, and that the writers were trying a bit too hard to force 'consequences' on us for our choices.

    I still think they should have dialed back some of Kenny's reactions towards you. Make him a bit of a dick still, sure, but don't make him leave you under a door and take every opportunity he can to be a passive-aggressive asshole.

    Make it so instead of leaving you under the door, he reluctantly covers you instead. This would also have a positive effect on his character, as it provides a way for him to make up for freezing up back at the St John's. It allows him to still grow as a character and reflects a positive quality/trait in him, even if your relationship with him isn't the best.

    Make his lines less aggressive towards Lee overall, while still keeping some level of hostility in them (for example, I felt that the scene where you tell him about your past was well handled).

    Bottom line: keep some general hostility towards Lee, but nothing overly antagonizing.

    And above all that, make his 'choice' at the end of episode 4 less personal. Make the choice similar to Ben. If Ben's alive, he won't choose for himself. You can either tell him to make the decision himself (which he will, depending on your relationship with him), guilt him into coming with you by mentioning Clem, or tell him to stay behind. Give Kenny a similar treatment:

    Kenny: Lee, man... you know I care about Clementine, but look, the city's gettin' pretty dangerous. I still got the boat to prep and hell... I just don't know.

    [Ask Kenny for help]

    [Clementine is my family]

    [Do what you gotta do]

    Asking him for help will have him decide to stay behind and work on the boat. But instead of having him giving that "you've been looking out for yourself more often than your friends" line, give him a much more neutral and less personal line. Something like this:

    Kenny: You've been good to me and my family for the most part, and I appreciate it, but if someone doesn't get this boat started, we could all be doomed. Sorry pal, but I'm gonna stay here and finish up. You go get that girl. I'll be waitin' here for ya. Good luck, man.

    Using the family line would work the same as it does now.

    "Do what you gotta do" would have him apologize and tell Lee that it isn't personal, kind of like Christa does if she doesn't go with you.

    You could still work the other lines currently used depending on the exact relationship you've had with him. If you didn't help him most of the time, and only did 1 or 2 things for him throughout, he'll give you the current "you've been looking out for yourself more often than your friends" line. If you didn't help him at all throughout the season, he'll straight up refuse to help like he does now. These open up the option to tell him to go fuck himself, and etc.

  • I helped Kenny, I never liked Larry, he was a racist, cold and unstable. He tried to kill me right in front of Clementine, I would never forgive him for that.

  • Dear god, what is wrong with you people?!

    Larry left you for dead back in the drugstore, and Kenny was the one who saved you. Larry's an asshole to you no matter what, and Kenny was exactly right about how much of a threat Larry would be if he became a zombie. If revenge isn't a good enough reason to kill Larry in that situation, self-preservation should be. But apparently having a moral high ground is more important than keeping Clementine safe, or even your own life. If you don't side with Kenny in that situation, you deserve the treatment he gives you, because you're basically telling a guy who saved your life earlier that you don't have his back when it matters the most.

  • Kenny sucks boners though.

    marccost3 posted: »

    Dear god, what is wrong with you people?! Larry left you for dead back in the drugstore, and Kenny was the one who saved you. L

  • edited May 2015

    We all saw at the Drug Store that he has a heart problem, and that's why he collapsed. Kenny will always be my "bro" in this game, but at the same time I couldn't take a life if it wasn't necessary. Plus, if you think about it, Larry is really just an older, more bitter Lee. He's protecting his daughter from anything, and you are a convicted killer, so he has good reason to not like you hanging around Lilly. At the time I saved his life I didn't think about it this way, I still couldn't bring myself to do it. Am I wrong still? ;;

    I've been doing some replaying to experiment with different options, and considering how cruddy he treats you if you don't help and how great he does if you do, it has me thinking. I chose to save him first time around, and while killing him would give me major points with Kenny, I don't know if it's right to go back on my first playthrough when making a "true playthrough" that i'll be using for Season 2. Is it alright? I have no idea.....

    marccost3 posted: »

    Dear god, what is wrong with you people?! Larry left you for dead back in the drugstore, and Kenny was the one who saved you. L

  • It would've been hilarious if during at least one point in the game he's being a jerk to you, you have the option to say "This is because I'm black, isn't it?"

    AronDracula posted: »

    I helped Kenny, I never liked Larry, he was a racist, cold and unstable. He tried to kill me right in front of Clementine, I would never forgive him for that.

  • Larry saved me from Ben's zombie teacher at the start of Episode 2. So I wanted to return the favour.

    marccost3 posted: »

    Dear god, what is wrong with you people?! Larry left you for dead back in the drugstore, and Kenny was the one who saved you. L

  • edited May 2015

    YES, this is EXACTLY how I felt. You summed it up PERFECTLY!

    I forgave Kenny the moment he did it as well as when he didn't save me, because as we saw at Hershel's Farm, he isn't too great in a panicky situation, he froze up and didn't know what to do. Unfortunately the game went consciously out of the way to have him be a jerk to me and I couldn't even say how I forgave him. I've been experimenting around and you have to take at least one life you could've saved for him to automatically join you. If you tried to save Larry and saved Ben, you have to talk him into it. If you try to save Larry but let Ben die, then he has your back. I think it's really unfair of the game to punish me like this. ;;

    Deltino posted: »

    I felt conflicted to say the least. Kenny had a valid point in that Larry posed a definite threat. But at the same time, I'm too m

  • It's like Dumbledore says:

    "It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but it takes a great deal more to stand up to your friends."

    sorryabouttheharrypotterreferenceitwasjustsoappropriate

    Teemarie1 posted: »

    My first play through, I was more pressured into it with Kenny's whole "I know you've got my back, you always do." I didn't want to let him down, so I did it. The only thing I regret is doing it in front of Clem.

  • I saved Carley in my playthrough, so Larry claimed to have saved me when Carley shot him for me. So self-centered. XD

    Larry saved me from Ben's zombie teacher at the start of Episode 2. So I wanted to return the favour.

  • Dear god, what is wrong with you people?!

    Uh, Nothing. We just have different Opinions. By the end of the day, If YOU were in Lee's shoes, Could YOU kill another human being? Because if so, I wish you luck in the world, because that's disgusting.

    marccost3 posted: »

    Dear god, what is wrong with you people?! Larry left you for dead back in the drugstore, and Kenny was the one who saved you. L

  • No matter how much of an asshole Larry is, or ever will be, Kenny is still a good guy, But could you take another Life? Especially with someone you cared about, and someone they cared about in the room? Larry may be an asshole. But he's a good man on the inside, and Killing him in from of his daughter would just be you becoming something that Lee is not. You'd be the exact same as Larry. You complain about him trying to kill Lee in front of Clem, But you did the same to Lilly. Even if they are assholes, Good people or not, that's not okay.

    AronDracula posted: »

    I helped Kenny, I never liked Larry, he was a racist, cold and unstable. He tried to kill me right in front of Clementine, I would never forgive him for that.

  • Am I wrong still?

    Yes. Killing Larry is necessary in that situation, as there's no way to keep him from dying.

    There's nothing wrong with going back to make the better choice after realizing you fucked up. Don't let anyone else tell you any differently.

    We all saw at the Drug Store that he has a heart problem, and that's why he collapsed. Kenny will always be my "bro" in this game,

  • There are still people who like Larry and Lilly more than Kenny though, and it would make sense for them to appeal to Lilly if they like her by attempting to help Larry (not supporting helping Larry at all but......there isnt a right choice, dont make it seem like there is)

    marccost3 posted: »

    Am I wrong still? Yes. Killing Larry is necessary in that situation, as there's no way to keep him from dying. There's

  • But no one knows that the first time going into ep2 do they?~

    Yeah, but unfortunately the major difference between the two of them is that one sticks around and one leaves soon after,

  • edited May 2015

    Except pretty much everyone else tells me to live with my mistakes. XD

    Maybe I might next time solely for that reason, I'll have to think about it.....

    marccost3 posted: »

    Am I wrong still? Yes. Killing Larry is necessary in that situation, as there's no way to keep him from dying. There's

  • Yeah, but unfortunately the major difference between the two of them is that one sticks around and one leaves soon after,

    colgato posted: »

    There are still people who like Larry and Lilly more than Kenny though, and it would make sense for them to appeal to Lilly if the

  • Precisely.

    No matter how much of an asshole Larry is, or ever will be, Kenny is still a good guy, But could you take another Life? Especially

  • True. XD

    I still get treated so terribly by Kenny. All that I noticed with Lilly in not saving her dad outside of ep2 is that every time she says "you killed him", she now says "you both killed him", but other than that not much difference.

    colgato posted: »

    But no one knows that the first time going into ep2 do they?~

  • Also, is that what he says if you side with him at the beginning of the episode? They both had good points in that argument, so I said it didn't matter who was in charge.

    When the time came, Kenny said "You can't be in the middle on this one, you have to choose whose side you're on!"

    Teemarie1 posted: »

    My first play through, I was more pressured into it with Kenny's whole "I know you've got my back, you always do." I didn't want to let him down, so I did it. The only thing I regret is doing it in front of Clem.

  • Yea, you have to side with him in the beginning of the episode

    Also, is that what he says if you side with him at the beginning of the episode? They both had good points in that argument, so I

  • my reaction was kind of weird.

    I wanted to like Larry and be his friend and have him look out for me in the ZA but I just couldn't like him, I actually made a post on that topic I can't remember what it's called but anyway (ADHD get's the best of me)

    My reaction was going back on forth, like I didn't want to drop the saltlick on his head but I didn't want him to come back a zombie and attack me or Clementine, so I went with the simple way, who do I like more and that was Kenny so I agreed with Kenny and dropped the saltlck on Larry's head and had Lilly watch her dad get squashed while I held her back, was it a hard decision yes it was one of the hardest for me in the season.

    Have a good day :)

  • Please can I crush him with it? You can do it next time...please?

  • Larry would never stop hating Lee even though he saves his life multiple times.

    No matter how much of an asshole Larry is, or ever will be, Kenny is still a good guy, But could you take another Life? Especially

  • He STILL hated you.

    Larry saved me from Ben's zombie teacher at the start of Episode 2. So I wanted to return the favour.

  • But does that Matter? Either way, If you complain about Larry trying to kill Lee in front of Clem, and Then Kill Larry in front of Lilly, You're a hypocrite, and a Selfish version of Lee. Larry may have been an asshole, But he is Basicilly Lee. He's trying to protect Lilly, You're trying to protect Clem. Did you ever call someone in asshole in the Game for Clem's sake? Larry does the same for Lilly.

    AronDracula posted: »

    Larry would never stop hating Lee even though he saves his life multiple times.

  • It does not matter if he hated you, He's still a Human Being Dammit!

    AronDracula posted: »

    He STILL hated you.

  • If he EVER had mercy on Lee, I probably would have helped him.

    But does that Matter? Either way, If you complain about Larry trying to kill Lee in front of Clem, and Then Kill Larry in front of

  • He DID Have mercy on Lee. He had every reason to try to kill him everyday, He had every reason to NOT help with the walker on top of him, But he did. He helped.

    AronDracula posted: »

    If he EVER had mercy on Lee, I probably would have helped him.

  • Larry would never stop hating Lee even though he saves his life multiple times.

    When did this happen, Lee "saved" larry with the meds but I dunno about that being all him regardless. Plus Larry can save Lee at the motel, thats it

    AronDracula posted: »

    Larry would never stop hating Lee even though he saves his life multiple times.

  • I've been experimenting with the game a bit and it seems like it's impossible to get him to side with you automatically in the end unless you help him kill either Larry or Ben. In this new file, I didn't kill Larry or Ben(like I did the first time around) and he didn't side with me automatically. Then I rewinded and killed Ben and THEN he sides with me. >_<;

    I'd really like to get him to side with me in my "true playthrough" I use as a file transfer to Season 2, as it shows I meant a lot to him, but at the same time I want to save as many lives as I can. The last thing I need to test is going back and still not killing Larry and Ben, but this time around siding with him on absolutely everything else, no matter how small. I'll still take Lilly with me though, since that counts as saving a life. I'm curious to see if this is even possible. It's like one commenter on YouTube put it, you pretty much have to act like Kenny's personal hitman to make him like you. XD I hope this isn't the case.

  • This is a video game we're talking about. If you aren't happy with the outcome of your choices, there's nothing wrong with changing them for a better outcome.

    Except pretty much everyone else tells me to live with my mistakes. XD Maybe I might next time solely for that reason, I'll have to think about it.....

  • No, helping Kenny is the right choice. What people don't seem to realize is that the right thing to do isn't always the morally correct thing to do. Which is something that I think this choice demonstrates perfectly.

    colgato posted: »

    There are still people who like Larry and Lilly more than Kenny though, and it would make sense for them to appeal to Lilly if the

  • So you wouldn't kill somebody if it was the only way to stop them from killing you? You wouldn't kill someone to stop them from killing a child? The fact that you'd allow a child to die just because you wouldn't want to kill someone, is far more "disgusting" than killing someone by itself.

    Dear god, what is wrong with you people?! Uh, Nothing. We just have different Opinions. By the end of the day, If YOU were

  • edited May 2015

    Actually, now that you mention it, I remember one YouTube commenter putting it "Helping Lilly in the meat locker is what's easy, helping Kenny is what's right."

    Now I'm all conflicted..... 6~9;

    marccost3 posted: »

    No, helping Kenny is the right choice. What people don't seem to realize is that the right thing to do isn't always the morally correct thing to do. Which is something that I think this choice demonstrates perfectly.

  • And Lilly shooting Carley point blank wasn't sick or rotten then? Lol

    Everyone'sClemInTime loves Kenny

    Kenny Kenny Kenny! :)

    It was the start of me opening my eyes to just how sick and rotten Kenny was as a human, not only killing an unconscious human wit

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