More monstrous: Leaving Lily on the side of the road or stealing from the station wagon?

edited August 2015 in The Walking Dead

Which do you think is the most monstrous?

Leaving Lily on the side of the road
or
Stealing from the station wagon?

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  • I don't think either are monstrous decisions in the slightest honestly.

  • They are both good decisions

  • While neither are monstrous per se, but stealing from the wagon was worse. Lily committed murder, whatever she got was probably justified, given the situation.

  • I would say leaving someone in the middle of the night is worse off than stealing from a "abandoned." car.

  • Well, we stole from the car thinking it was abandoned, it's not that bad because we didn't intend for the results that happened. If we knew that was going to happen when we found it, yes, that's terrible. Probably equal with leaving someone off on the road unarmed with walkers is pretty messed up, even though she killed someone.

  • Neither is particularly monstrous. There are good reasons for both of those decisions, as well as equally good reasons for not stealing/not leaving Lilly.

  • Part of living in the apocalypse is making tough decisions. Neither of these decisions are monstrous in the slightest. They're just things we have to do in order to ensure our own survival.

  • Her killing Carly was the most monstrous .

  • I'd say stealing from the caravan was the worse of the two decisions.

  • I think it is much easier to discuss the lack of humanity while living in a save house/apartment having a fridge in the kitchen and a supermarket in the neighbourhood - and no dead man eater.
    That is what we supposed to decide: How can my group survive, and how can we live with our conscience ?
    There where alternatives for both decisions - but both a giant risk. What counts, is our conscience and what we evaluate more.
    But what had we done for real ? I think we (me for sure) won´t be quite fair to straingers or dangerous people - or just look at AMC´s series, how they react.

  • I think the stealing is worse than leaving Lily. I felt no remorse for her after killing Carly. I chose not to steal personally.

  • Not if the person in question just straight up murdered someone else based on a poor and inconclusive judgment.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I would say leaving someone in the middle of the night is worse off than stealing from a "abandoned." car.

  • Same. at least leave something there, in case the owner returns..

    I'd say stealing from the caravan was the worse of the two decisions.

  • Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Not if the person in question just straight up murdered someone else based on a poor and inconclusive judgment.

  • edited August 2015

    There was only one wrong in that situation. at least from my perspective.

    It's not a question about the morality of the fact. It's a matter of ensuring the safety of those you love and care. and both Kenny and I wanted to ensure that.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Two wrongs don't make a right.

  • Leaving Lilly defenseless in the middle of the night after a gunshot drew walkers. At least give her the gun back. The stranger wasted his gas & left his car beeping with supplies for anyone to take. It takes 3 seconds to turn off your car & shut your door. People are fighting for supplies. He messed up. It's possible Lee's group would've never known about the car if it wasn't beeping, but the Stranger made it too easy.

  • edited August 2015

    Leaving Lilly behind. The wagon is just as ambiguous as helping kill Larry.

  • Leaving Lilly. A person's life is more importante than a bunch of supplies.

  • I don't know. It's tough but honestly I think taking from the car was worse. Lilly could go off in the head and try to kill everyone on the RV when they're sleeping since she's not well in the head. And if she killed someone close to me like Carley/Doug, I probably wouldn't want her anywhere near Clem.

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    Depends on how you see the station wagon? To me, it seemed like the group figured that the owners were probably around (At best, it was abandoned in the past few hours) and simply talked about it being abandoned to justify to themselves taking the stuff.

  • Leaving her

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    Neither, both decisions are justifiable. Taking supplies is something that anybody would do in order to ensure survival of his people and after her dad died Lily went crazy and you cant have somebody like that with you during apocalyspe.

  • What was monstrous about stealing from the station wagon? Your group is starving to death and happens upon a car full of food. Abandoned, with the door open and no gas. You would have to be insane not to take it in the moment. I hesitated for like half a second. Refusing to take it is completely nuts. That's why I felt zero sympathy for the Stranger. He made some pretty terrible strategic decisions, like not shutting the door so the light went off and it stopped dinging.

  • Regardless of what he did, the group would've still stolen. They went out looking for their son, so it's safe to assume he wasn't interested in the car at that time. And lily shot a member of the group in cold blood over s verbal argument. How do you know she wouldn't snap and shoot someone else?

    Badge1247 posted: »

    Leaving Lilly defenseless in the middle of the night after a gunshot drew walkers. At least give her the gun back. The stranger wa

  • Regardless of what he did, the group would've still stolen. They went out looking for their son, so it's safe to assume he wasn't interested in the car at that time.

    I understand your point & I agree that Lee's group would've stolen regardless, but if they hadn't heard the car, chances are they wouldn't have known about it. It's an unfortunate situation.

    How do you know she wouldn't snap and shoot someone else?

    You don't, but at that point, you either trust her or you don't & I trust Lilly even with her mistakes. I'm not excusing her for murder, but she needed a break. Everyone needs a break at some point. I can understand why some don't trust or like her though.

    Mrwalto69 posted: »

    Regardless of what he did, the group would've still stolen. They went out looking for their son, so it's safe to assume he wasn't

  • after her dad died Lily went crazy and you cant have somebody like that with you during apocalyspe.

    I agree, in opposite to Carol, Lilly wasn´t able to think trough what she has done - she wasn´t a help any longer but a hypotetic psychopath (even if we understand how it could happen)

    Neither, both decisions are justifiable. Taking supplies is something that anybody would do in order to ensure survival of his people and after her dad died Lily went crazy and you cant have somebody like that with you during apocalyspe.

  • at least from my perspective.

    Hitler also thought he was right from his perspective.

    There was only one wrong in that situation. at least from my perspective. It's not a question about the morality of the fact. It's a matter of ensuring the safety of those you love and care. and both Kenny and I wanted to ensure that.

  • I can justify leaving Lilly (even though I like her) because she was way out of line. But stealing from the Station Wagon was a real dick move. Yeah the Stranger should've locked the car up and maybe hid it, but he had just lost his son and wasn't thinking straight. That's a normal reaction for anyone. Hell, Lee got bit because he was so blinded by his concern for Clementine that he was no longer aware of his surroundings (I refuse to believe under normal circumstances that Lee wouldn't have heard that walker move before it lunged at him, or that it was fast enough to actually get the bite anyway.. It was underneath a big ass pile of trash... and Lee has canonically dealt with more surprising walker encounters). So yeah, I don't really blame him for Kenny and the gang being a bunch of douche bags. Hell, I'd even go as far as to say that Lee's death is poetic justice for anyone who agreed to it in their play through. To the rest of us it was an unfair tragedy.

    The motel group's food situation wouldn't have been so desperate if they were better at scavenging. From what we saw, the only places they ever searched were Mark's commissary and the Drugstore. No way a big town like Macon is completely tapped of supplies after 3 months.

  • I've made my point. I don't need to explain myself again.

    ..and this comparison was totally exaggerated and clumsy ..

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    at least from my perspective. Hitler also thought he was right from his perspective.

  • "A person's life is more important than a bunch of supplies" maybe Lilly should've considered that notion before she shot Carley. That's why I left her behind.

    Leaving Lilly. A person's life is more importante than a bunch of supplies.

  • ..and this comparison was totally exaggerated and clumsy ..

    sure, because you can't argue the fact two wrongs don't make a right.

    I've made my point. I don't need to explain myself again. ..and this comparison was totally exaggerated and clumsy ..

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    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    ..and this comparison was totally exaggerated and clumsy .. sure, because you can't argue the fact two wrongs don't make a right.

  • You want me to use your golden phrase. well let's use it them: "Two wrongs do not make a right."

    It makes perfect sense and it is even poetic... but hey kid! Life is not that simple. this is certainly an applicable concept, but it isn't always the most appropriate.

    sometimes you will come across situations where the wrong is the only right thing to do. It is what we usually call "making the best of a bad situation"
    TT likes to put us in those kinds of situations just to simulate the horror of living in a chaotic ZA world. and that's why their games are so fascinating.

    For example: A man. an extremely abusive husband, jealous, violent and with a history of alcoholism. that beat his wife and child for years. after discovering that his wife reported him to the police and is trying to get out of his life along with their son, tries to kill the child in revenge. luckily the woman comes home at that time and yells at him to stop, the two fight and she ends up killing him.

    You can really blame a mother for killing an abusive/violent alcoholic husband who beats her and their child, and then tries to murder the child as a revenge for what she did?

    Killing a man is wrong. however, depending on the situation is the only option you have in order to make things right again. what you call "wrong" I would say is: Justifiable.

    I'll write again my previous comment so then you can summarize it all: It's not a question about the morality of the fact. It's a matter of ensuring the safety of those you love and care.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    ..and this comparison was totally exaggerated and clumsy .. sure, because you can't argue the fact two wrongs don't make a right.

  • edited August 2015

    Lilly is still a person, a mistake won't change that, or do you don't consider a murderer a person? Lee also killed a person out of anger, and that doesn't make him bad.

    Teemarie1 posted: »

    "A person's life is more important than a bunch of supplies" maybe Lilly should've considered that notion before she shot Carley. That's why I left her behind.

  • It makes perfect sense and it is even poetic... but hey kid! Life is not that simple

    Yes it is, you can either do the right thing or the easy thing. I like how you call me kid, bait bait BAIT. I served in the military for a long time, i don't think you can teach me anything i don't know.

    I'll write again my previous comment so then you can summarize it all: It's not a question about the morality of the fact. It's a matter of ensuring the safety of those you love and care.

    Protect them from a unarmed woman. Ok. I don't know why you started talking about Kenny, or Larry. This is about the choice of Leaving Lilly on the side of the road. I am not a idiot, do not deflect.

    You want me to use your golden phrase. well let's use it them: "Two wrongs do not make a right." It makes perfect sense and it

  • edited August 2015

    Yes it is, you can either do the right thing or the easy thing.

    You clearly didn't read my comment, didn't understand, or didn't want to understand it.. I even created an example of how sometimes doing the right thing simply is not an option. and all you can tell me is: "Oh! you might as well make the right choice, or the easy choice.." and you say I'm deflecting? it was pretty funny, soldier!

    Protect them from a unarmed woman. Ok. I don't know why you started talking about Kenny, or Larry. This is about the choice of Leaving Lilly on the side of the road. I am not a idiot, do not deflect.

    You forgot to complete the sentence, or conveniently omitted the obvious part.. let me finish it for you: "Protect them from an unarmed woman. THAT, once armed. can mean a potential threat for the rest of the group. by making hasty and unacceptable decisions. even resulting in free murder!

    it's now clear. or do I have to do a drawing?

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    It makes perfect sense and it is even poetic... but hey kid! Life is not that simple Yes it is, you can either do the righ

  • You clearly didn't read my comment, didn't understand, or didn't want to understand it.. I even created an example of how sometimes doing the right thing simply is not an option. and all you can tell me is: "Oh! you might as well make the right choice, or the easy choice.." and you say I'm deflecting? it was pretty funny, soldier!

    It has nothing to do with the decision of leaving a unarmed woman at the side of the road at night.

    . let me finish it for you: "Protect them from an unarmed woman. THAT, once armed. can mean a potential threat for the rest of the group. by making hasty and unacceptable decisions. even resulting in free murder!

    Reaching.

    it's now clear. or do I have to do a drawing?

    Hey Jennifer, Notice, i just take it. When i get a little out of hand, i am the bad guy. Its funny.

    Yes it is, you can either do the right thing or the easy thing. You clearly didn't read my comment, didn't understand, or

  • It has nothing to do with the decision of leaving a unarmed woman at the side of the road at night.

    It has everything to do with the fact. you simply can not or do not want to analyze it..

    Hey Jennifer, Notice, i just take it. When i get a little out of hand, i am the bad guy. Its funny.

    No. you are not the bad guy. you are just trying to insist on something that apparently you can't afford to argue.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    You clearly didn't read my comment, didn't understand, or didn't want to understand it.. I even created an example of how sometime

  • It was an accident on Lee's part. Lilly murdered Carley purposley and in cold blood.

    Lilly is still a person, a mistake won't change that, or do you don't consider a murderer a person? Lee also killed a person out of anger, and that doesn't make him bad.

  • edited August 2015

    Just like Kenny killed Larry..

    It was an accident on Lee's part but not Lilly? They were exactly identical (except on the murder weapon). Both Lilly and Lee were consumed with rage. Which is why you never get the option to kill Lilly.. which is why Lee acts sympathetic when explain what happened to Clementine? Because Lee has been there before.

    Teemarie1 posted: »

    It was an accident on Lee's part. Lilly murdered Carley purposley and in cold blood.

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