Ser Royland Degore

I read in the codex that Royland's family was killed. So if Royland dies there wont be any of his kind left. Duncan on the other hand isn't the last of his kind because of Gared. So is it better that Duncan dies instead of Royland?

Comments

  • It really depends on your opinion of both of them, and who you like better. I feel bad for Royland because his family was killed, but then again, Duncan's was too (aside from Gared.) So, take your pick on who you think should live and who should die. I personally like Royland more, but Duncan was my Sentinel so....

  • How do you kill a snake? By smashing its head! - Ser Royland Degore

    I would have us use our heads, while they are still attached to our shoulders. - Duncan Tuttle

    Who sounds more reasonable? Take your pick.

    No, but seriously, though both men would as sentinel prove themselves in combat during the battle of Ironrath, the master-at-arms Ser Royland would probably be a little better in a fight than Duncan would. He would probably be better at preventing fights. While Duncan is better at getting allies, Royland is better at making enemies.

    Regarding family, there are no more "Degores" to hear, so his death would not be mourned, but Garred would certainly be sad to hear that his uncle is dead. You are the only family I have left, he potentially says in episode one.

  • Royland ftw. Gared's a deserter from the Night's Watch. He's entirely insignificant in the grand scheme of things and can never return home. I don't think it really matters who dies. Neither has any major purpose but serving House Forrester.

    The North Grove will never be significant because a third-tier house in a GoT side project can't have access to anything notably powerful without fucking up/disregarding the show.

  • edited January 2016

    How do you kill a snake? By smashing its head! - Ser Royland Degore I would have us use our heads, while they are still attached to our shoulders. - Duncan Tuttle Who sounds more reasonable? Take your pick.

    Well, Royland. That is how you kill a snake. Besides, I don't see how Duncan's prerogative of negotiating with people like Ramsay and Gryff are any wiser than Royland's prerogative of defying them, and standing up for yourself. Duncan says you should placate Lord Whitehill and Ramsay Snow at all costs and you'll be alright, Royland says they're not here to negotiate and all we can do is stand up for ourselves, and keep our dignity. Duncan says stay down to Gryff, Royland says get back up. Duncan treats the Whitehills with respect at Highpoint, Royland mocks them. I mean, they're both cool characters that make good Sentinels, but if I'm taking my pick on whose attitude and advice is actually best? Then it's quite an easy answer:

    ROYLAND

    Edit: To answer the posted question, I do believe killing Duncan makes the most sense--as one, his traitor scene is far better than Royland's. It just makes more sense, and is far more emotional. Especially if, like me, you played Rodrik as strong and defiant. Two, House Tuttle can redeem itself in the eyes of House Forrester, via Gared. Whereas Royland is House Degore's last member, so if he dies, his house dies with it. And they die unredeemed. Third and lastly, with Rodrik / Asher injured, alone, and on the run, having a warrior as their guardian seems far better than a glorified diplomat.

    Differic posted: »

    How do you kill a snake? By smashing its head! - Ser Royland Degore I would have us use our heads, while they are still attache

  • It really is a 'take your pick' kind of choice. While I personally prefer Duncan for his cunning as Sentinel, Royland does prove very useful at times during the game, like during The Battle of Ironrath. Their advice on the other hand, is really even in terms of usefulness. Duncan wants you to do multiple cunning choices such as diplomacy with Ramsay, staying down with Gryff, keeping the Glenmores at Ironrath and a bunch of others. Royland would rather have us keep our dignity and strength at all times, and does anger the Whitehills a lot which, in my opinion, is not very smart, considering that the Whitehills have about 10x our numbers and could easily storm Ironrath with our defiance, even though he doesn't. Like you said, it is a more 'who do you favor' kind of choice, and I personally prefer Duncan.

    DillonDex posted: »

    How do you kill a snake? By smashing its head! - Ser Royland Degore I would have us use our heads, while they are still attached t

  • Lol, I wasn't serious when I compared these statements. Obviously, Duncan's statement sounds a lot more reasonable, it was a joke where I unfairly took both statements out of context to make Duncan look better.

    DillonDex posted: »

    How do you kill a snake? By smashing its head! - Ser Royland Degore I would have us use our heads, while they are still attached t

  • Well, I don't like that Duncan wants us to kiss Ludd's ring and submit to Gryff, but Royland's choices does not always help to preserve our dignity either. In episode 1, meeting Ramsay at the gate is far more humiliating than meeting him in the great hall. Quite the army you have Lord Forrester. Very impressive! :| And in episode 3, if Royland is allowed to attack the Whitehill soldiers, he is beaten.

    CunningFox posted: »

    It really is a 'take your pick' kind of choice. While I personally prefer Duncan for his cunning as Sentinel, Royland does prove v

  • edited January 2016

    My sentinel Royland died in my playthrough, but I saw his sacrifice as staying true to his character. He had lost his entire family before, you can tell by his scars he has endured at least some suffering... he found a new family in the Forresters and would sooner die than see more of his kin die. He was like Elissa, he simply refused to see another family extinguished.

  • To be fair, most of why we say negotiating with Ramsay is due to how we know for a fact he's batshit insane as players/viewers/readers. People in-universe don't have the same knowledge. At best, they have the distrust of bastards due to being, well, bastards.

  • edited January 2016

    To be honest Royland's was the smarter choice there, meeting Ramsay at the gate. Because then you can say that only he and Ludd are allowed inside and the gate closes behind them.

    Then Telltale ruined it by having the soldiers magically appear inside the walls for no reason whatsoever, because BUT THOU MUST. =/

    I mean I headcanon that it was due to the traitor, but that it's not addressed at ALL just really annoys me.

    Arriving at the same destination is fun and all but only if the journey is different. And for this... well... there was very little sense of a different journey

    Differic posted: »

    Well, I don't like that Duncan wants us to kiss Ludd's ring and submit to Gryff, but Royland's choices does not always help to pre

  • edited January 2016

    I did that because I wanted to make Ramsay shiver outside our walls (btw I have no idea how they got in).

    TEWR2 posted: »

    To be honest Royland's was the smarter choice there, meeting Ramsay at the gate. Because then you can say that only he and Ludd ar

  • edited January 2016

    It really doesn't matter what you choose to say, the gate will always close right behind Ludd and Ramsay. There is no need to explicitly demand it. No Whitehill/Bolton soldiers enter Ironrath at fist, and why would they? The whole point to Ramsay's visit is to receive the Forrester's fealty and to settle the conflict between the Forresters and the Whitehills regarding the slaughter at the Tuttle farm. This is business between lords, not soldiers. Duncan suggests that they should invite Ramsay (and his plus one) into their great hall, not the Whitehill/Bolton soldiers. As far as Ethan is concerned, they remain outside of Ironrath.

    The proper way to receive you overlord is to invite him into your great hall with bread and salt the moment he arrives at your gates. Letting him linger in the cold, while ignoring him, gives him reason to punish you. "And then you invited me into your hall like a proper lord." is a lot nicer reaction than "You had me stand out in the wind and muck so you could show off your pathetic little army!" The honorable choise, the choise that best keeps our dignity and makes us in the right, is Duncan's.

    TEWR2 posted: »

    To be honest Royland's was the smarter choice there, meeting Ramsay at the gate. Because then you can say that only he and Ludd ar

Sign in to comment in this discussion.