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A new main character?

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I was thinking, just like Fallout 2 where you play another character from Fallout 1: what about some new Monkey Island stories with another hero?

For example: the stories of Threepwood and his Wife are happened, and they are fearsome might pirates, the new main character is a new guy that tries to follow his footsteps.
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  • It doesn't happen to often that they switch who is the main characters in Adventure Games. I thought a bunch of people were angry and confused in King's Quest III before they beat it that you weren't playing as King Graham. In Leisure Suit Larry 3 and 5 you spend part of the game as Passionate Patti. Even in Fate of Atlantis you have the option of solving half the puzzles as Sophia instead of Indy. Maniac Mansion, Zak McKracken and Last Crusade did it too. So this nothing new. Although I can't imagine playing a whole Monkey Island game as some one else, it'd be interesting to control someone else to help Guybrush out with a couple of puzzles(not like he did the voodo lady in ch4).
  • Reaper Lyn;256106 said:
    I play the Phoenix Wright games, and after the third game they switched the player character entirely. I haven't played 'em yet, but it sounds like the fans are pretty divided on whether or not they're good. A lot of the controversy is just based on the fact that you no longer play as Phoenix...
    The Ace Attorney games are a good example. Because they did two things.

    A) Apollo Justice, that is like Phoenix Wright with a different main character. Even if you put aside the fact that the writers went apeshit on this one (the basis of every crime is that not only the murderer, but all people involved are stupid, crazy or both), it's really not that... different. They didn't give Apollo enough of an edge or anything for it to justify switching the main character and having a huge time gap.
    They were trying to reset the series and although the game was enjoyable, in my opinion they mostly failed.

    B) Miles Edgeworth. Here, you play as another character from the original series. The main opposition of Phoenix Wright. But although it's the same universe, same characters, same timeline (takes place right after the first game, well, the first case does, then it goes back in time), it's completely different.
    It's not about trials, it's about investigating. And while you did plenty of that in the original Ace Attorney game, it's different enough that it's new. What's more, the character is known and already had a huge fanbase, which justifies a game with him as the main character easily.
    It's fresh, it's new, it's different. It's still Ace Attorney without being Phoenix Wright. it works.

    The first example is what, in my opinion, didn't work well. They tried to "reset" but at the same time didn't: Phoenix is there in the game, you even play as him for part of the game. However, all the lovable characters from the earlier series are gone. They brought back a character they had introduced in the extra case the added for the DS port of the first game, but she had changed a lot and was mostly unhelpful... It was trying to be half-assed, I would say. And although a lot of things were good, a lot were bad, too.

    So there is definitely a good and a bad way to do it, in my opinion.

    EDIT:
    There is a third thing they did, I can't believe I almost forgot.
    In the third game, where Phoenix is still the main character, well, you play part of the game as Edgeworth and part of the game as Mia. So they were already switching things around a bit, and it worked.
    (I disliked the third game for other reasons, but the character switches were definitely something I liked a lot.)
  • avistew;256144 said:
    The Ace Attorney games are a good example. Because they did two things.

    A) Apollo Justice, that is like Phoenix Wright with a different main character. Even if you put aside the fact that the writers went apeshit on this one (the basis of every crime is that not only the murderer, but all people involved are stupid, crazy or both), it's really not that... different. They didn't give Apollo enough of an edge or anything for it to justify switching the main character and having a huge time gap.
    They were trying to reset the series and although the game was enjoyable, in my opinion they mostly failed.

    B) Miles Edgeworth. Here, you play as another character from the original series. The main opposition of Phoenix Wright. But although it's the same universe, same characters, same timeline (takes place right after the first game, well, the first case does, then it goes back in time), it's completely different.
    It's not about trials, it's about investigating. And while you did plenty of that in the original Ace Attorney game, it's different enough that it's new. What's more, the character is known and already had a huge fanbase, which justifies a game with him as the main character easily.
    It's fresh, it's new, it's different. It's still Ace Attorney without being Phoenix Wright. it works.

    The first example is what, in my opinion, didn't work well. They tried to "reset" but at the same time didn't: Phoenix is there in the game, you even play as him for part of the game. However, all the lovable characters from the earlier series are gone. They brought back a character they had introduced in the extra case the added for the DS port of the first game, but she had changed a lot and was mostly unhelpful... It was trying to be half-assed, I would say. And although a lot of things were good, a lot were bad, too.

    So there is definitely a good and a bad way to do it, in my opinion.

    EDIT:
    There is a third thing they did, I can't believe I almost forgot.
    In the third game, where Phoenix is still the main character, well, you play part of the game as Edgeworth and part of the game as Mia. So they were already switching things around a bit, and it worked.
    (I disliked the third game for other reasons, but the character switches were definitely something I liked a lot.)
    Okay, so the first and third cases have been applied to Monkey Island, and it seems the general consensus is that the first would be awful and the third might be interesting (though I admit, I've paid little attention to this thread, so that could be selective reading by me). But what about the second case? How might that be applied to Monkey Island?

    If we stick with the "play as the established opposition with a large fan base" think, we get a few options. Play as LeChuck, play as Largo, or maybe (big maybe) play as Dinghy Dog or DeSinge. I'd say maybe Ozzie Mandrill or Pegnose Pete, but I think those two would cause riots. But while taking another look at a series from the point of view of the villain is always interesting, I don't think it would really work here. Besides, LeChuck himself admits to not being very good at adventure game type tasks.

    So now we expand from Guybrush's rivals to the rest of the series. And that pretty much leaves us with the options of playing as Elaine or Morgan. Again, this one's been discussed to death, and I personally don't see a game starring either of them living up to the standards of the Monkey Island series. We'd have another Escape on our hands.
    GuruGuru214;256141 said:
    Secret, LeChuck's Revenge, Curse, and Tales are all phenomenal games. They've earned a place in history as some of the best adventure games ever. When you compare Escape to them, it becomes the Louis Stevens of the series, if you will; the (formerly) youngest child who isn't as smart or athletic as its siblings and doesn't have any particularly exemplary qualities of its own. It's not a bad game, it's just part of a series where the expectations are higher. And for that, it gets picked apart to no end.
  • Wasn't the reason of not playing Phoenix, because he got suspended for tempering with evidence to win his case?

    On-topic: No, no new main and no spin-off
  • In-game, yes, but that explanation was just a plot point invented to explain why you're playing as someone else. In reality, there's nothing that forced the developer's hand to make someone else the main character, they just wanted to and wrote the story around it.

    At least, that's how I understand it. I just started playing the first game after my friend let me borrow it on Saturday. I'm finished with the first four cases, so I only have one left.
  • LeChuck1986;256155 said:
    Wasn't the reason of not playing Phoenix, because he got suspended for tempering with evidence to win his case?
    That's how it was justified in the game, yes. But when you have played all the games, you know it's nothing compared to what he's done before, which makes the idea completely ridiculous.
    And the fact that they make the story start later, with Phoenix having a girl, etc, basically means he's still the star of the game (everybody's going to want to know who's the mother, why he was suspended, etc) but you're not playing him.
    The main character as a result is just completely overshadowed by Phoenix, which seems silly since the point was apparently to make a new series with a new main character.
    I'm not sure if they're planning more games with Apollo but if so, I'm hoping they're going to be about him and not Phoenix. They game him a complicated enough backstory that they have plenty to work with.
  • Other characters in the Monkey Island games have mentioned that Guybrush is the puzzle solver. So it should stay that way.
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