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Is Guybrush Threepwood...

edited August 2010 in Tales of Monkey Island
...some sort of Christ figure? According to Wikipedia:

"A Christ figure is a literary technique that authors use to draw allusions between their characters and the biblical Jesus Christ. More loosely, the Christ Figure is a spiritual or prophetic character who parallels Jesus, or other spiritual or prophetic figures.

In general, a character should display more than one correspondence with the story of Jesus Christ as depicted in the Bible. For instance, the character might display one or more of the following traits: performance of miracles, manifestation of divine qualities, healing others, display loving kindness and forgiveness, fight for justice, being guided by the spirit of the character's father, death and resurrection. Christ figures are often martyrs, sacrificing themselves for causes larger than themselves.

In postmodern literature, the resurrection theme is often abandoned, leaving us with the image of a martyr sacrificing himself for a greater good. It is common to see Christ figures displayed in a manner suggestive of crucifixion as well; this technique is more noticeable in films than in literature."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_figure

I noticed that though Guybrush is a plucky, yet stupid, goofy and incompetent pirate, treasure hunter and swashbuckler, yet he seems to have some sort of Christ qualities and traits (examples: Guybrush using voodoo powers for good under guidance of the unnamed Voodoo Lady, his almost supernatural ability to hold his breath underwater for 10 minutes, etc.), and on multiple occasions Guybrush presents himself as an unlikely sacrifice and, in doing so, is able to destroy the evil undead pirate LeChuck and his voodoo curses time and time again (see the examples on Curse of Monkey Island and Tales of Monkey Island).

So if Guybrush is a Christ figure, he sure seems to be an unlikely one, huh? :cool: :rolleyes:

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  • edited July 2010
    Resurrected from the dead in Rise of the Pirate God o_O
  • edited July 2010
    He's also got long hair and a beard.
  • edited July 2010
    I smell CONSPIRACY

    Seriously Conspiracy, take a shower...

    conspiracy.jpg
  • edited July 2010
    Erm...Guybrush as Jesus? Huh... As interesting as this sounds, I highly doubt Guybrush is a representation of Jesus. Guybrush is just, well, Guybrush. He does have his heroic moments throughout the series but for the most part, I think of Guybrush is just being a simple heroic mighty pirate, but that's just me.

    If it's anyone who represents Jesus, it's Winslow. (kidding, just kidding!!)
  • edited July 2010
    Epic Kiwi wrote: »
    He's also got long hair and a beard.

    Neither of which Jesus would've had.
  • edited July 2010
    xbskid wrote: »
    Neither of which Jesus would've had.

    Considering he was a Rabbi, I'd kind of bet on him having had a beard.

    But I have to agree that Guybrush != Jesus. Aside from that "rising from the dead" thing, I can't see a lot of parallels.
  • edited July 2010
    the parallels that could be drawn are, I think, simply parallels between two protagonists of epic tales.
    one could then just as well say that guybrush is an adventure-game-figure, that sam and max are so, too. or that jesus is a guybrush-figure.
  • edited July 2010
    The major difference between the two? I believe in Guybrush.
  • edited July 2010
    There are plenty of Christ figures in popular media: Luke Skywalker, Superman, John Connor, Neo, Optimus Prime, Aang... but Guybrush? I just don't see it.
  • edited July 2010
    I think you're getting something wrong. Guybrush = God.
  • edited July 2010
    BLASPHEMERS! HERETICS! HOW DARE YOU!!!!
    Everyone knows that Winslow is God, Jesus, Buddah, Allah, Odin, Ra, The Creator of the Universe, The Keeper of the Map and the Destructor of Chuck Norris. Not to mention all the other 4567 deity titles he has and 423920959 godly deeds he has done.
    YOU SHALL ALL BURN!!!
  • edited July 2010
    The theme of a hero dying, visiting the afterlife, and returning to Earth predates Christ considerably, going back at least to Ancient Egypt and probably before that. Since that's the only part that really applies to Guybrush, it's more like TOMI and the Bible both draw from the same older literary tradition. (Kinda like how MI and the PotC movies both draw from the PotC ride, you know. :P )
  • edited July 2010
    Don't forget about how the map of the Crossroads is shaped like a cross where Christ was crucified. And remember that in Curse of Monkey Island, Guybrush is told by the Voodoo Lady that in order to save Elaine from the "gold statue" voodoo curse, he is fated to "die" alone (i.e., to drug himself to unconsciousness a la "Romeo and Juliet") and be buried alive in the Goodsoup family crypt, at least twice, in order to find one of the parts of the uncursed diamond ring and escape alive (just like when Christ was fated to die alone and abandoned and be buried in the tomb for some time before rising from the dead to save us from the curse). Oh, and don't forget about Guybrush being tempted by the demonic skull Murray in CoMI (like Jesus was tempted by the devil in the desert).

    And there are references to Christ's Passion and resurrection in ToMI: Guybrush befriending and then being betrayed by Morgan LeFlay to the Marquis De Singe for 30,000 pieces of silver = Jesus befriending Judas Iscariot and then being betrayed by him to the chief priests for 30 pieces of silver; Guybrush being brought to trial for charges, including that of spreading the Pox of LeChuck, and almost sentenced to death before LeChuck arrives to save him = Jesus' trial and condemnation before Pilate; Guybrush curing Elaine and everyone else of the Pox with La Esponja Grande and then being pierced by LeChuck's Cutlass of Kaflu before dying = Jesus being pierced by the nails of the cross and dying to save humanity; and finally (as it is told before) Guybrush's journey through the Crossroads, uniting himself with his body and returning to stop LeChuck once and for all through his trials and pains = Jesus' descent to the netherworld and resurrection from the tomb to destroy death and Satan once and for all.

    Isn't that something deserving of being a bizarre Christ figure?
  • edited July 2010
    Nah. I wouldn't say that. One has to go a good deal further than just dying and coming back to mark whether someone was trying to imitate.

    In this kind of game, it's just a great way to seemingly push the level of hope further down a dark hole before a plausible victory awaits. Not to mention, they kind of prelude the possibility of coming back first with a villain. Nobody does it better (or more often) than Lechuck, in this series.

    Guybrush, may seem a bit bumbling. May seem innocent. But he is very much still a pirate. He even did, at one point, become the mightiest and feared pirate of the Carribean with the ability to even Fax a message for other pirates to surrender before he boarded them........................
    ...
    ...
    ...
    That is, IF the other Pirates could've received a Fax.

    And considering how many selfish things he did just to get what he needed. (And plenty of stealing left and right) I consider him a figure that hardly resembles any biblical figure I know. Maybe the story of someone of moderately ill-repute that grows a conscience and saves the day, perhaps. But then again, that could be Max. Another one who has travelled to the other side and back.
  • edited July 2010
    Debbie82 wrote: »
    Guybrush befriending and then being betrayed by Morgan LeFlay to the Marquis De Singe for 30,000 pieces of silver = Jesus befriending Judas Iscariot and then being betrayed by him to the chief priests for 30 pieces of silver
    This definitely is a Bible reference, I'll grant you that. I'd forgotten about it.
  • edited July 2010
    Any sort of connection between the two would be nothing but a coincidence because the team didn't set out to establish one. I don't want to think of Guybrush as Jesus or a religious figure, Monkey Island is made to help one forget about life's problems.
  • edited July 2010
    Difference is that Morgan LeFlay is a pre-established Mercenary. She fully divulges the whole idea that she's quite a character that is in it for the buck. Morgan, from the beginning already seeds a lot of doubt that she'd pick the decision based on the goodness of her heart. It's the heartful compassionate decision, which is what one is less likely to expect. One might consider her the inverse of Judas.
  • edited July 2010
    I doubt Jesus EVER dug up any graves...or left a Manatee via its service entrance.
  • edited July 2010
    How could you know that? Maybe he did.....In fact when resurrecting Lazarus, he opened a grave...kind of.

    But really, Jesus came back with all his wounds, while Guybrush got a brand new body.

    That makes Guybrush better.
  • edited July 2010
    Dominic Armato once said something like you notice how in SOMI Guybrush doesn't come from the beach, but seems to show up from nowhere on the very peak of the mountain, never having been to the woods or Melee Town before. So..where did he come from...perhaps...the sky?
  • edited July 2010
    Perhaps he was shot out of a canon from some cargo ship?
  • edited July 2010
    Mermaid wrote: »
    I doubt Jesus EVER...left a Manatee via its service entrance.


    Well, Guybrush, Morgan and Winslow being swallowed by a manatee and remaining there for a short time kind of references the story in which Jonah was swallowed by a whale and remaining there for three days and nights. Even Jesus made a reference when he said, "An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet. Just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:39-40, NAB).
  • edited July 2010
    hehe Jesus was doing biblical fan service.
  • edited July 2010
    Debbie82 wrote: »
    Well, Guybrush, Morgan and Winslow being swallowed by a manatee and remaining there for a short time kind of references the story in which Jonah was swallowed by a whale and remaining there for three days and nights. Even Jesus made a reference when he said, "An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet. Just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:39-40, NAB).

    Goes to show how little I know from the bible and what a bad christian I am...
  • edited July 2010
    This topic reminds me of an article on TV Tropes (I spend too much time there, lol)

    What Do You Mean, It's Not Symbolic?
  • edited July 2010
    I dunno if you guys remember/know this, but Dom Armato, while claiming he doesn't know, has directly implied that Guybrush was supposed to be a messianic figure. Stating
    "He enters the series on top of a mountain, with no obvious point of entry...It's almost like he came down from somewhere."
    [or something to that effect, I can't remember the exact quote.]

    EDIT: Didn't see that Fawful beat me to the punch.
  • edited July 2010
    alexonfyre wrote: »
    I dunno if you guys remember/know this, but Dom Armato, while claiming he doesn't know, has directly implied that Guybrush was supposed to be a messianic figure. Stating
    "He enters the series on top of a mountain, with no obvious point of entry...It's almost like he came down from somewhere."
    [or something to that effect, I can't remember the exact quote.]

    EDIT: Didn't see that Fawful beat me to the punch.

    So, er, that would make him Moses then? :D
  • edited July 2010
    StarEye wrote: »
    So, er, that would make him Moses then? :D

    Right, cause he threw something from a mountain, too...some pyrite.
  • edited July 2010
    he also brought back rapp scallion back from the dead
  • edited July 2010
    This thread have enough stuff to make a petition at the Vatican to make Guybrush a saint.
  • edited July 2010
    Guybrush Threepwood - the only pirate with a gloriole.
  • edited July 2010
    Mermaid wrote: »
    Guybrush Threepwood - the only pirate with a gloriole.


    Be careful, though... As it is sung in Evita: "Better to win by admitting my sin than to lose with a halo."
  • edited July 2010
    The SECRET is revealed!
  • edited July 2010
    I like the idea that the creators would use someone like Jesus as their inspiration for a Pirate. Kind of ironic, because I don't think Jesus was into stealing and sword weilding (But what do I know:D)

    The Trial and Execution might even symbolize Jesus being trailed by the High Priests, or Pontius Pilate.
  • edited August 2010
    I wonder if someone should try to do a Monkey Island spiritual study guide. Like maybe "The Gospel According to Monkey Island". I may have got this idea from a link to the Entertainment Weekly article that appears almost 8 years ago.

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,365775,00.html
  • edited August 2010
    From the perspective of chaos magic, which deliberately mixes up gods of different belief systems (often contradictory), and with indisputably fictional characters, this subject may make much more sense and depth than it seems :)

    If you were to worship Guybrush or invoke him in a magic ritual, you could probably treat him like a solar god, which is the same category of Jesus. If I had to compare him to some god, though, I would probably choose Dyonisos before than Christ. He's another solar god, and a dying-god archetype, just like Christ, but has a cheerful/playful/kind of trickster side which resonates more with our mighty pirate.
    Any sort of connection between the two would be nothing but a coincidence because the team didn't set out to establish one. I don't want to think of Guybrush as Jesus or a religious figure, Monkey Island is made to help one forget about life's problems.

    Instead of making games dull by mixing them with spirituality, why don't we do it the other way around? Why don't we make spirituality fun by mixing it with games? I'm sure I would start going to church if we worshipped Guybrush, took communion with grog and baptized with root beer. You'd have to find a huge curseless diamond ring somewere in order to be able to marry, and when attacked, instead of offering the other cheek, you would be not only allowed but encouraged to INSULT your offender! And if it was in the sea, you'd have to do it in verse! Tell me how in hell can any monotheist religion beat that :) Embrace Guybrushianism TODAY! Don't let anyone tell you we're a suicide sect; the 10' underwater thing CAN be done.

    Now, in magick theory, gods are usually understood as shapes and names given to abstract ideas, in a way that Jesus, Dyonisos and Guybrush would actually be just facades; different ways of looking at the same thing, like different facets of a gem. The archetype, the abstract idea is the real thing. So it doesn't really matter if you go hear the priest or stay home and play Monkey Island; you're getting closer to heaven anyway.

    Diving further in the western occult tradition, one can understand all solar gods as metaphores of the soul, or true self. It is said that this is the place where humanity gets mixed with divinity, so when doing our true will -that is, when hearing the voice of our souls and sod the mind, the emotions and the rest of the noise within our heads- we are going with the universe's flow and nothing can go wrong. Think about it: this is the story of Guybrush's adventures. Nothing he ever does makes any sense, and he never has an explanation for his actions, but he always does just what he has to do, and in the end everything goes just as it has to. There's a waterfall blocking my way? No problem, because I have in my jacket a
    hypnotised monkey
    that I keep carrying with me for no reason, and that I can surely use to shut the water flow.

    Yeah. I am getting more and more convinced of this Guybrushianism thing...
    :guybrush:
  • edited August 2010
    For instance, the character might display one or more of the following traits:

    performance of miracles
    > A lot of stuff Guybrush does IS a miracle, so: check.

    manifestation of divine qualities
    > Is the beard a divine quality?

    healing others
    > Yes, in TMI

    display loving kindness and forgiveness
    > He forgives LeChuck in MI2 and in TMI.

    fight for justice
    > Yes, despite ruining random people's lives...

    being guided by the spirit of the character's father
    > Yes, in MI2

    death and resurrection.
    > Yes, TMI

    Christ figures are often martyrs, sacrificing themselves for causes larger than themselves.
    > Yes, TMI


    So, yeah, Guybrush is a Christ figure. And obviously, that makes Ron Gilbert god.
  • edited August 2010
    He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
  • edited August 2010
    I don't know about any of this but if you ask me the idea that he couldn't be a player is a big lie.
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