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Rate The Last Movie(s) You Watched

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Same as the Rate the Last Game You Finished topic but with movies. There should be more film talk around here. So, I'll start off with the movies I've seen in the past few days.

Law-Abiding Citizen - 5.5/11

Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World - 7/11

Sword of the Stranger - 9/11

Blade Runner: Final Cut - 11/11

Blade Runner is one of those films I want to love but also want to hate.
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  • I would genuinely enjoy beating the crap out of Justin Bieber (piñatas) with a large stick.
  • Please do. Fucking Canada, first Nickelback, now this. I'm sorry, if I knew what we were doing wrong since Rush, I'd fix it.
  • Johro;607963 said:
    Please do. Fucking Canada, first Nickelback, now this. I'm sorry, if I knew what we were doing wrong since Rush, I'd fix it.
    You still need to apologize for Tom Green. Or at least punch him in his stupid moose-humping face.
  • Secret Fawful;607892 said:
    Oh look, Dashing is throwing out awful generalizations again. Ooh, look at us. We HATE the popular thing. We're so smart and cool. Oooooh.
    Of all the people I know, you're probably one of the last from whom I'd expect this particular betrayal.

    There are a lot of things you can think about my thoughts on The Avengers. You can think they're wrong. You can think they're poorly thought out. You can think they use poor methodology, are missing core points, that they are based on unfair biases or perceptions or unrealistic expectations. You can think I thought too much or too little. There are a lot of things you can disagree with my thoughts on this matter that wouldn't leave me feeling personally slighted. There are a lot of ways you could go about this which wouldn't emotionally hurt.

    This is not one of those.

    Yes, I am a person who desperately wants to be liked. Disliking things that are widely enjoyed is nowhere close to being the likability magnet it is portrayed to be. I get shit for almost everything I enjoy and even more shit for the things I don't. The number of people who give me shit about trying to be cool for shit like this far outnumber the people who think I'm "cool" for going against the grain. This is partly because I get shit from everyone from my family to my closest friends to complete strangers for my thoughts and opinions, but mostly because there honestly isn't anyone who has come to think I'm cool for any sort of perceived unrestrained individuality. Fuck, of everyone I know, you are probably the closest person to that sort of thing, if only because you're the only person I've known who has consistently listened to me go off on these odd and obscure things that I enjoy in an engaged way.

    This is not something I enjoy doing. I don't like feeling that I don't understand what people see in popular things that makes them amazing. I don't like that there's a communal euphoria that I simply cannot fully participate in. I don't like that I seem to constantly be drifting away from just about everyone I know because my search for things I can truly and deeply enjoy leads me farther and farther away from actual people. I don't like that every time I even graze the topic of movies with my parents, I get everything from "Why do they charge the same as they do for a movie where they didn't exclude the sound and color?" to "Why can't you just like normal movies made here where people speak english?". I don't like that when I go on opening day to see a movie I've been excited about for months, I am often finding myself alone, in an empty theater. I don't like that whenever I talk about a movie that I like, people feel it's perfectly okay to say it looks weird and stupid and that there's something wrong with people who could possibly enjoy a thing like that, but if I dare to take something that I have actually seen that is fairly popular and make even the slightest negative remark about it, even if I actually enjoyed the overall experience, suddenly I've committed some sort of crime or something is wrong with me or I'm pulling some sort of fucking con. I don't like that it is like pulling teeth to get my family to see a movie that I've been excited about for months with me on my birthday, that came out on my birthday. I don't like that, when they cave and watch this film with me, I then get all sorts of shit for it after the movie is over. I don't like that I still get shit over it. I don't like that while that film was my favorite of the past year, that it filled me with the sort of joy I haven't felt in a movie theater in years, I ultimately wish that I hadn't tried to share it with my family because it has frankly been entirely hurtful in the long run. I don't like that, as the son of divorced parents, one of the few things they agree on is that I should "shut up and enjoy normal movies."

    Disparaging my opinions on The Avengers is perfectly fine. Disparaging my resolve, telling me that I've caved to some sort of pressure to be liked rather than being anything close to genuine, that hits me where it hurts the most. Because yes, I desperately want approval, yes I desperately wish that more people would like me, yes I wish there was some easy and well carved-out niche that I could insert myself into so that I could be liked. That is the force that makes it extremely hard to feel like I should, like I can, actually express my thoughts on not only this movie but any number of others.

    The desire to be liked is what pushes me to follow my parents' advice and "just shut up and enjoy normal movies." I can't say that my opinion is "right", I can't say that it's smart, and I can't say that I arrived at it without ever hitting some sort of weird mental roadblock along the way, not with any sort of certainty. I can't even say with any certainty that there isn't something wrong with my brain, that I'm not messed up emotionally, that I relate to things the way normal people do. I can't say that I truly understand or know anything about movies at all, I can't say that I respect my own thoughts and opinions, I can't say that I don't often find myself falling into a deep and depressed emotional state because after being told over and over and over again by so many people that not only are my thoughts weird, stupid, or even outright wrong, but that they're also opinions that I can't actually have and that instead I must be parroting them out to further some sort of long-game end goal, that eventually I start to believe that something there is right and that there is something deeply and truly wrong with me that needs to be fixed.

    The only thing I can say entirely for certain is that if I was acting in a way that coincided with the end goal of being liked at the cost of my own integrity, this is not what I would be doing.
  • Fawful is the kind of guy who goes to the zoo to dangle his sausage over the bear cage! XD
  • Fawful is the kind of guy who goes to the zoo to dangle his sausage over the bear cage! XD
  • St_Eddie;607943 said:
    It's entirely possible for somebody to genuinely dislike something that the general masses adore-
    Don't give me that shit. You didn't even watch the damned movie and you hate it.
    Rather Dashing;607995 said:
    The popularity comment was aimed at Johro and Davies, but that didn't come through, so it doesn't really matter. I'm just saying it because- it was. It was a stupid comment, and I should be the last person to make it. But this is the first movie I can think of- outside of the first Pirates movie- where it truly baffles me that anyone can hate it because of the fact that so many don't. This isn't like Transformers where most people with a brain admit it's tacky and tasteless and awful, or Avatar where some people hate it because it's a ripoff trying to look original. I'm not making the argument that it's good because it's popular. I'm making the argument that thinking people have agreed on its merits. This is more akin to Alien and Raiders where people are calling this movie a classic, and meaning it with conviction. I read one guy say this movie replaced Raiders on his list of favorite movies. It's fine to hate it, yeah, but doing so baffles me in light of all of this. Nobody ever replaced Raiders with Transformers or Avatar. NOBODY. It feels like there's no real rhyme or reason to the hate. The only real solid arguments I've really seen are "Joss Whedon sucks" and "It's just a dumb popcorn movie", neither of which cut it with me. So all that I am left with is "trying to be cool", "trying to be popular", or "I can't understand why this person doesn't like this because I haven't seen them give another reason". I admit I wouldn't replace Raiders with Avengers, and I don't agree with that, but the fact that someone did it puts this movie on a whole nother level than truly dumb popcorn movies like Transformers and GI Joe and Expendables. If it really is stupid and terrible and I'm wrong, fine. That also means the entire world has gone literally mad.

    Dashing, I don't think you're saying anything to be popular, for the reasons you listed. Of course I know better. I should have made this clearer. It's my fault. My post was acting out of anger, over-emotion, and frustration like many of my posts tend to. I was frustrated with Davies and Johro, and I was mad at you. I came on here and read your post, and immediately I see the same generalizations I tried to argue against and put to rest. Generalizations I made good arguments against. Logical arguments. I had a logical stance, and you entirely ignored it. We already talked about how I've felt people ignore my opinions and don't give a shit about my stances. Well, to me, this was just another instance of that. I got pissed. I mean, I don't know why you would listen to me- my name doesn't begin and end with a D. Hell, you do listen to me, but you don't have to agree with me. It's when my stance is perfectly logical that I can not understand it in any way, shape, or form.

    You know I trust your opinions on EVERYTHING. If I bug you so much with so much shitty stuff all the time, it's only because I want your opinion and reaction on everything. Because I expect something worthwhile from you no matter what it is. I know you can't always have all the answers, and I know I get frustrated with you when you don't. I even LOOK UP TO YOU, even though I know you could never agree with such a sentiment. I always have. But that doesn't mean when I think you're wrong I'm going to lay down in your bed. I'm going to fight you tooth and nail. Well, fight is the wrong word. I'm going to argue your stance. I'm not always going to agree with you. You know this and you've never wanted it any other way. At the least I give everything you tell me about the benefit of the doubt and I enjoy most of it because there's always meaning and value behind it. That by itself shows that I respect you and value your opinions. We just had a discussion about how we're both alienated at times for our opinions, you much moreso than me on every level, a couple of days ago. I'm sorry I ruined that comradery with this. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, especially because you of all people don't need that shit in your life. You're one of the most valuable friends I have- yeah I weighed you, you're extremely valuable. I wouldn't have the drive to explore things no one else would (Shaw Brothers silent era) if it wasn't for you. You're not a freak. You're passionate. Your parents are the worst kind of bigots. They stifle your passion for knowledge and experience with their shitty sentiments. I didn't really want to be in that category. Retro's wrong, I don't dangle my sausage over the bear cage, I leap into it headfirst slathered in blood and animal viscera. But it shouldn't come as any surprise. Burning bridges, losing friendships, and betraying people is what I've always been best at.
  • If you ask me, anyone that has a large amount of investment in the comic book is going to love these sort of movies.
    (Well apart from the Hulk ones I guess)

    People who go beyond that level of fandom, or aren't all that interested at all are going to nitpick at it.
    (For totally different reasons of course!)

    This discussions reminds me that I need to watch Firefly.

    (Best friend keeps bugging me about it. I'm more of a surreal/absurdist comedy fan (Young Ones, Red Dwarf, The League of Gentlemen) than a science fiction fan, so I kind of keep putting it off to watch other things)
  • Actually...Here you go. To be fair....I just found a list of people's complaints with the Avengers.
  • Wow. This thread got... really hard to read. Not because it didn't make sense, but because it was so heartfelt.

    Here's the nitpicks I had with Avengers:

    - Thor just shows up, and is given a brief one-line explanation of how he got around the whole 'no more travel between worlds' thing from his own movie. That was weak and needed FAR more explanation.
    - The talking section in the middle of the movie goes on too long. I get why it's there, it just needs to be shorter.
    - CAPTAIN AMERICA'S OUTFIT LOOKS SILLY. It's the red and white around the waist that ruins it. Couldn't they put those colours on his arms or something? Ugh.
    - Who the hell are the [sic] Chitari? Why are they here? How come Loki's working with them? EXPLAIN!
    - 'And We All Fall Down' at the end. Weak, though I do understand why they did it. Still weak though.
    - Stark seemed a little too bummed out about Coulson [Spoiler]dying[/Spoiler]. Why? He barely knew him. Captain America seemed to have more of a connection with him than anything else.
    - The female waitress got a fraction too much screen time. I dunno, maybe that's just me.
    - Hulk seemed to just turn up wherever the plot demanded. Running through a building? Jumping onto Stark Tower? How'd he get there? Why? Sure, they were great scenes, but there's no real logic behind them.
    - Is it just me, or did Cap do very little in this film? Also, isn't this shortly after he wakes up? So he's thrust into this new world and everything's different to him? Weird that wasn't explored. Maybe in CapAm 2.
    - Everything Iron Man says is a one-liner. They get old.
    - For being the Trickster God, Loki goes down in a pretty undignified way.
    - No War Machine? I get he's not an Avenger, but still... a mention of him would've been nice.
    - Surely instead of Galaga it should have been... Space Invaders? Eh? Eh?

    Random things I liked about the movie:
    - The Hulk was voiced by Lou Ferrigno. Yes, yes, a thousand times YES.
    - Brief mention of Jane Foster. Nice touch there. Shame Thor didn't call her or anything, but still nice.
    - Hawkeye [Spoiler]survives[/Spoiler]. And gets to do way more than anyone thought he would. :)
    - ...I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of them of the top of my head.

    So yeah, it's a good film, no doubt about that, and it's easily one of the best Superhero films we've had in years, but it's not perfect.
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