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(Ep.2 SPOILERS!) Did anyone actually kill the St. John. Brothers?

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
I know the majority of you didn't kill the St. John. Brothers, but I was wondering if anyone did? To be honest, I did. It thought it wouldn't matter if they were dead or not, they would still be walker bait. I wanted the brothers to have a taste of their own medicine. Who knows all the people they killed? Seeing all the blood in the slaughter room tells me they killed a lot of people.

The St. John. brothers planned on killing the group, and I just couldn't let such threats live on. I don't care the circumstances. The only regret I have for killing the St. John. Farmers is how it affected Clementine. I hate for Clementine to see me killing both brothers. I wonder how much it really affects her later on in the episodes. My Lee would do anything for the sake of the groups survival, and killing the Brothers assured the safety to the group that much more to me, even if they were very weak and trapped. Having them killed gave me a feelings that no one else can be affected by them again. So what are your guys take on this?
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  • edited August 2012
    Yeah theres two threads about them with VIOLENT arguing about why anyone who didnt kill them are morons.
  • edited August 2012
    I didn't hesitate to kill the St. John brothers at the first opportunity I had. I regret the traumatic outcome it may have had on Clem (if any), but those two had to go.
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Yeah theres two threads about them with VIOLENT arguing about why anyone who didnt kill them are morons.

    What??? You didn't kill them??? Are you an idiot conservative lizard???
  • edited August 2012
    It's choices like this in games that I would love to see more of but that also disappoint me.

    I feel any option should be a negative one in this case. However sparing Andy and Dan makes you seem more heroic in the eyes of Clem. Why exactly does that happen when you've killed their mother, left one in a bear trap and the other beaten, bloodied and demoralized as walkers take over the entire property?

    You've sentenced them to death or at the very least destroyed everything they once had in one fell swoop which in its' own right would likely bring about their premature deaths. It might have been necessary but hardly what I would consider heroic. Perhaps I'm putting to much Goku in my Lee or something.
  • edited August 2012
    Atarius wrote: »
    It's choices like this in games that I would love to see more of but that also disappoint me.

    I feel any option should be a negative one in this case. However sparing Andy and Dan makes you seem more heroic in the eyes of Clem. Why exactly does that happen when you've killed their mother, left one in a bear trap and the other beaten, bloodied and demoralized as walkers take over the entire property?

    You've sentenced them to death or at the very least destroyed everything they once had in one fell swoop which in its' own right would likely bring about their premature deaths. It might have been necessary but hardly what I would consider heroic. Perhaps I'm putting to much Goku in my Lee or something.

    Does it really count as killing her when she walks into the mouth of a walker?

    I'm sure the forums greatest arguers could present a legal case one why it is and isn't lees fault
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Yeah theres two threads about them with VIOLENT arguing about why anyone who didnt kill them are morons.

    Really? A link to the threads would be nice.
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Does it really count as killing her when she walks into the mouth of a walker?

    It actually doesn't. Lee was lucky enough to have Marks walker come in just in time. So technically, you didn't kill her, Marks walker did. You just lured her in.
  • edited August 2012
    Really? A link to the threads would be nice.

    Here you are:
    http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30618

    I do believe that this was the first thread about the brothers. Can't find the other one, though.
  • edited August 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Here you are:
    http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30618

    I do believe that this was the first thread about the brothers. Can't find the other one, though.

    Thank you. Well I made a thread and shared my opinion. Well, the guy who made this thread was single minded and came off as arrogant in his post. I'd say I'm a bit more generous in my post. I'm just sharing my reasons why I killed the brothers. Not getting pissed at the people who didn't kill them.

    I think the main reason people didn't kill them was because of Clementine. They didn't want Clementine to witness him kill them. Another reason I think, is because people aren't going to lose their humanity and kill someone in this 'new' world, which I can argue with, but hey that's an opinion others have.
  • edited August 2012
    This topic was made before I did in my Doug save file. Since what they did to Mark the both deserved to die. I know it might be hard for Clem to watch but I think it had to be done. In my 2nd Doug save I left both to live and killed them in my Carly save.
  • edited August 2012
    I only killed the one in the bear trap, after all the group went through one of them had to die so i took the first opportunity i could, Clem saw which wasn't the best thing but she will have to see alot of that, after the mother died i figured id leave andy(i think) to get surrounded by walkers
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Does it really count as killing her when she walks into the mouth of a walker?

    I'm sure the forums greatest arguers could present a legal case one why it is and isn't lees fault

    I consider it a kill as well as the others. Only you don't have to be subtle about it because Clem isn't there to see it, let alone anyone else.

    You either get shot or you push her up the stairs to kill her. It's obvious you see what you're doing with your Lee and it's the only way to save Katjaa.

    Just lending the game itself to a more muddled state of morality with a reward system that's based along the lines of civil society.
  • edited August 2012
    Yes I did on my 2nd playthrough, because I wanted to see the consequences in future episodes. I spared them, the first time around.
  • edited August 2012
    The game has three save slots. In one save slot, I play the game as a do-gooder who doesn't kill the living.

    In the second save slot I kill Jolene, Larry, and both brothers.

    That's part of the games replay value.
  • edited August 2012
    Atarius wrote: »
    I consider it a kill as well as the others. Only you don't have to be subtle about it because Clem isn't there to see it, let alone anyone else.

    You either get shot or you push her up the stairs to kill her. It's obvious you see what you're doing with your Lee and it's the only way to save Katjaa.

    Just lending the game itself to a more muddled state of morality with a reward system that's based along the lines of civil society.

    Brenda's death was entirely her own fault, imo. She didn't want to kill Lee or Katjaa, and she kept pleading with Lee to not come any further. Even if you imply that you killed Danny in the barn, she acts the same way. It was her own morality that killed her.
  • edited August 2012
    I kill them both.
  • edited August 2012
    Went like this:

    ..Coward!

    *Smash the mouse button*

    Hell yeah!

    *Change perspective*

    Oh snap the girl saw it.

    *Reload game*
  • edited August 2012
    I accidentally killed Danny on purpose - so I reloaded the game too. Hahaha... Didn't feel right because Lee already has blood in his hands.
  • edited August 2012
    dpguy wrote: »
    The game has three save slots. In one save slot, I play the game as a do-gooder who doesn't kill the living.

    In the second save slot I kill Jolene, Larry, and both brothers.

    That's part of the games replay value.
    I did exactly the same thing. I even didn't really give Jolene a chance to explain and I chose the "Oh Screw it (Shoots Jolene)" option. My 2nd Lee is a rright hard ass, who doesn't think twice about killing the living, if it's to protect the group. My first Lee is quite the opposite, who believes that taking a human life is the first sign of losing his humanity.
    As for the my third save slot, Lee is man of very few words.
  • edited August 2012
    Bcroft wrote: »
    I only killed the one in the bear trap, after all the group went through one of them had to die so i took the first opportunity i could, Clem saw which wasn't the best thing but she will have to see alot of that, after the mother died i figured id leave andy(i think) to get surrounded by walkers

    1 of my version,i did the same thing with u but the second version of mine,i kill them both...:D

    Overall i feel that both shld be kill as 2 of my ppl have been kill by them...:mad:
  • im considering it.

    havent finished episode 2 yet, theres something not right about this farm, or this family.

    that crazy broad, in the woods, tried to warn me & andy (or danny, whatever) shot her in the face. gotta be for a good reason. guessing to keep her from talking?

    starting to think this whole episode stinks of "deliverence." except theres also zombies, further adding to the dilemma...& no mentally challenged kids around playin "dueling banjos."

    ...wonder if duck could keep a tune? ;)
  • edited August 2012
    Silent Lee! I love it. Classic "Silent Protoganist" introduced to the walking Dead gaming world.
  • edited August 2012
    Silent Lee! I love it. Classic "Silent Protoganist" introduced to the walking Dead gaming world.

    Lee opens the barn door.

    Andy: Boy, didn't you hear the bell? Dinnertime.

    (Lee just shrugs and walks out silently).

    Andy: You know, you're a strange guy, Lee.
  • edited August 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Lee opens the barn door.

    Andy: Boy, didn't you hear the bell? Dinnertime.

    (Lee just shrugs and walks out silently).

    Andy: You know, you're a strange guy, Lee.

    Lee: Immmatakeyoualldown.

    Andy: What was that?

    Lee: ...

    Heh.
  • edited August 2012
    Nope. Left 'em for the walkers.

    What goes around, comes around.
  • edited August 2012
    I killed the brothers the first time.After what they did to mark,and the rest of the group.I used the cattle prod before the pitch fork.Chef Ramsey would of been proud.
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Does it really count as killing her when she walks into the mouth of a walker?

    I think undead Mark needs a new term... I vote crawler.

    Man had no legs!
  • edited August 2012
    I killed them both. Don't you just hate it when your food fights back! Clem and Lee are not on the menu.
  • edited August 2012
    Killed Danny.He just deserved it.After all the fight with Andy,I wanted to kill him with the gun at first,but still...I felt sorry for him seeing him yell at Lee that way.The guy was just...broken,and seeing Brenda coming out of the house,I though it would be more painful for him.Anyways,the walkers were coming in,so I just wanted for Lee n' and the rest to get out of there. :)
  • edited August 2012
    Atarius wrote: »
    It's choices like this in games that I would love to see more of but that also disappoint me.

    I feel any option should be a negative one in this case. However sparing Andy and Dan makes you seem more heroic in the eyes of Clem. Why exactly does that happen when you've killed their mother, left one in a bear trap and the other beaten, bloodied and demoralized as walkers take over the entire property?

    You've sentenced them to death or at the very least destroyed everything they once had in one fell swoop which in its' own right would likely bring about their premature deaths. It might have been necessary but hardly what I would consider heroic. Perhaps I'm putting to much Goku in my Lee or something.

    Because you didnt skewer alive one before her eyes and beat the life out of the other one before someone has to drag you away like a barbarian?
    I didnt kill anyone and at the very least I gave them a *chance* which is much less than they had planned for my group. If Clem wasnt there and if the game allowed it, I'd have done some inhumane things to all 3 of them. But she was, and since the fence no longer worked- it's almost a given the 2 brothers will be dead within a few minutes of you leaving the farm. The threat is gone- anything more than that would appear savage (not to me, but maybe to Clem)
  • edited August 2012
    It seems to me that your approach to this question depends on how important you think the relationship is between Lee and Clem. I think she represents his conscience. It's like he didn't have a conscience before he met her, or it was damaged because of what happened in his past. Now if he does right in her eyes, he is redeeming himself.

    So obviously Lee killing the brothers with his own hands is much worse in Clem's eyes than if he just leaves them to fend for themselves against the walkers. Yes, they die either way, but at least the blood isn't on Lee's hands.

    The most obvious example of Clem being Lee's conscience is the car at the end of Ep 2. Clem rarely speaks her mind to the whole group, but here she emphatically contradicts their plan to steal from the car. I was all for taking the food until she spoke up so unexpectedly like that. It was like Lee's conscience saying "wait dude, this is wrong."
  • edited August 2012
    I did kill them. Didn't even hesitate. Skewered Danny after he said I couldn't do it after my hesitation in killing Jolene.

    Shot Andrew after the tussle. I considered it a mercy kill after I broke him by saying his mom and brother were dead. Better than being eaten alive by the Walkers.

    Didn't expect to have Clem see me kill Danny though, but after that I couldn't just half ass it. So I killed them both. Not even a single regret.
  • edited August 2012
    Did any one find the rope for the swing on the first try?I did not even bother to look there.Second time i played the game i did.:)
  • edited August 2012
    NickPope wrote: »
    Did any one find the rope for the swing on the first try?I did not even bother to look there.Second time i played the game i did.:)

    missed it first time around then capn jay mentioned it and i found it ;)
  • edited August 2012
    missed it my first time but a walkthrough i found told me where it was. so i shared it here.
  • edited August 2012
    I found it first time; I saw the swing and figured helping check the fence would further the plot. So I spoke to everyone first that would likely have nothing to do with that and checked the areas around you're allowed to check.
  • edited August 2012
    hell yea i did them bastards for eating humans. if you want to see watch my playthrough very good. cant wait for Episode 3 i got the season pass so hoepflly it comes out this week so then i can one of the few to upload it fast
  • edited August 2012
    Yorec wrote: »
    I did kill them. Didn't even hesitate. Skewered Danny after he said I couldn't do it after my hesitation in killing Jolene.

    Shot Andrew after the tussle. I considered it a mercy kill after I broke him by saying his mom and brother were dead. Better than being eaten alive by the Walkers.

    Didn't expect to have Clem see me kill Danny though, but after that I couldn't just half ass it. So I killed them both. Not even a single regret.

    How do you get the shoot option for Andrew I could only see the kick to the fence or walk away option
  • edited August 2012
    itwasmoi wrote: »
    How do you get the shoot option for Andrew I could only see the kick to the fence or walk away option

    To shoot Andy, you must wait until Lilly shoots him/Lee pushes him back so that you have an option to punch his face. If you don't do anything, he starts beating you and Lee throws him at the electric fence. Then you have an option to shoot him.
  • edited August 2012
    Honestly i wanted to kill Andy so bad, but then it hit me that it would be even worse to let his mother which do you see coming after him eat him alive while he cant do nothing about it. I figured shooting him honestly would be giving him more mercy then the guy deserves.
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