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Team Lily to the end (appreciation thread)

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I guess I may be the only one here who would still support Lily if she shows up at some future point in time.
I appreciate her leadership skills, her selflessness (having to make all those little decisions is really difficult) and her reasoning. She tried to keep this group together, she did her very best but some other Kenny always tried to have it their way, always consider what's only best for his family.
I think we all agree it was difficult giving the rations the first time in episode two. We got a glimpse of what she has to do every day. People hated us for those choices, so they hate her even more for having to do it every day. But there's no one else who would do it.

She was still pretty reasonable until Kenny murdered her father. People can complain that he saved them and all that crap... but you couldn't have known for sure and that's the truth. He overreacted and again being the selfish asshole he is, he did the easiest choice for him. Eliminate the enemy and undermine the leader's authority.

In episode 3 we see things haven't changed. Lily is still the only one to really tries to protect the group. Lee, of course, helps always and as much as he can, but others like Kenny... they didn't even feel bad for what they did in episode 2. Kenny ruined this group and yet he still wanted things to go his way. He kept pushing Lily without really doing anything for the group. He was determined to abandon all.
Carley... she didn't really do anything. She could've stepped in and helped Lily when she saw she was about to snap... but she didn't. The only thing she actually did was tease Lee, look cute, and avoid participation in almost every important discussion. The downfall in episode 3 is partially her fault as well.
When the bandits attacked the group it was again Lily that came to the rescue to a group that hated her. Kenny wouldn't swallow my disrespect for him and actually tried to get me killed too many times in this episode.
Ben... and Kenny really started a chain reaction. With both their stupidity combined they managed to indirectly kill Carley, Katjaa and Duck as well destroy the group from within.
Both cowards and both DUBM as a bag of hammers.
I would so love to see them gone in episode 4 & 5. I don't need stupid people in my group, people who know nothing about responsibility or humanity.

It was sad to see Lily snap but I guess there is a line as to where a person can take it. In the end of the day I'm sure she'll regret her choices and will eventually learn from them. She kills Lorry cause she believes they are threatening her group. When she sees how wrong she was she offs the Governor. That's a pretty redeeming deed in my book, one that clearly shows she actually develops.

I would certainly love to see more of her in future episodes/seasons.

So, am I the only one? :D Even if I am, I will still be defending this position to the end :P
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  • LokiHavok;663320 said:
    Yeah that's true. But that small sign of life only means that Lilly's CPR worked. Or that he was about to reanimate. We'll never know.

    Lilly's shooting of Carley was flat-out overt murder. Kenny's choice was circumstantial. He made the most logical choice imo. I sided with him because of that.

    But then again I've overtly murdered characters in this game as Lee. The SaveLots woman for example. The Brothers Johns. So who am I to judge lol.
    Not exactly. I agree we might have to put Larry down but there were other, better ways of doing it. Fu**ing up the leader with such a cold blood murder and then saying "I had to, it was necessary" this was the beginning of the end. He started destroying this group, he drove Lily to this state of mind. In told him in the end of episode 2. "You destroyed this group and murdered 2 lives" Lily's (not literally ofc) and Larry's. I blame everything that has happened since that night on him.
    You can't just kill one of your own that way and expect this group to survive. We tore apart and Carley was the scapegoat.
    Then Kenny was punished by fate. He clearly showed that if it was his son or wife in the meat locker he wouldn't have smashed their heads. It wasn't the right thing to do in my eyes and it never will.
    I also didn't kill Joline and killed the poor girl in the beginning of ep 3. I couldn't have let her being eaten alive. I put Duck out of his misery and killed both the Saint John's brothers. I'm always looking for my own. Even if it is Kenny or Ben, I will still try to save them. I would like to see them gone though.

    Guys I have some problems. I can't understand how is this possible - if her father is Larry. The death scene described in that scene has nothing to do with what happened in the game. I thought Lilly (game) and Lilly Caul (comic book) were the same person? Am I missing something?
  • Dead_Man_Walking;662672 said:

    When they found the bag of medication, and Ben confessed, in a sense, lily was right. The only problem was, she didn't see the big picture. I think that's all she's guilty of. Oh, and for those that got ditched, yeah, I was mad, too. However, maybe that was her way of saying she screwed up, and the group would be better off without her. It was a messed up plan of action, but lots of things are messed up in the spur of the moment. When you (Lee) went for the pencil, she could have easily snuck up on you and broke your neck. :/

    Thanks for the post. I agree with you 100%. The only thing I would add is that when Lilly ditched us (Lee and Clem) I was not upset. She had saved Lee's life back when Andy was about to put Lee's face in the electric fence (and with Danny as well). It was as if we both said "we're even" as she paused and then drove away.
  • I'll miss her, definitely. She was such a great character, the only one alongside Clem that I really cared about. If the game allowed me I would've run away with her!

    I guess I'll have to wait for the book ... and damn... I really like that cover!

    I guess the book will be released before episode 4 :P
  • Lilly is a baby killer. I hope she dies a slow painful death.
  • Lilly's badass survivor, who actually has a clue how to run a group. That baby thing was an accident. In my opinion she's the best developed character in the game. No wonder she gets to be a protagonist of the second book!
  • YamiRaziel;662579 said:
    IBoth cowards and both DUBM as a bag of hammers.
    Irony at its finest.
  • Yeah, I really grew to like her as a character. Once she's done murdering Lori she'll always have a place back in the group.
  • I read most of your ramble but as i didnt read the comic im just basing my post on the episode and in that regard you are flat out wrong. there are no resounding qualities in lilly that would make someone like her the best. I like lilly but lee and carly are just in developed so the gamer likes them better.

    secondly, carly was much more usefull than lilly. I dont know what your talking about that she never spoke up im pretty sure when lilly completely lost her mind and blindly accused her of stealing she stood up for herself. As for spliting up the group there is noone else to blame besides lilly. usually shooting another member of the group after losing her mind would cause the group to split.

    Also she bought the responsibility and "leadership" on herself. and as it turns out kenny was right- the group should have left the motel earlier. you than continue to place blame on everyone besides lilly when it is clearly lillys fault as to why she lost her mind. haha i hope you dont seriously say that its others ppl fault for not reading her mind. your best case is to atleast split the blame with kenny.

    fact is lilly saw that her power was diminishing and rightly so, so when carly put her in her place she couldnt handle it. she has no standout characteristics that helped the group in anyway. i personally think you take this stance just to be different... hipster.

    honestly i give lilly credit for her actions when the bandits attacked, and for saving lee but thats about all. leadership wise, she was one of the worst.

    ill end with an analogy to kenny and lilly as the presidentail election, both candidates suck but one is just a little less worse than the other.
  • kirby18, yeah I've read most of your posts as well and you've clearly got not idea what's Lilly's character is all about.
    Don't tell me I have to like that damsel Carley. Yeah, she never participates in any major conversation except the one where she's the main suspect. She's always in the middle always letting others make the decision. It's easy to follow and then blame the leader. If you've seen the TV show or read the comic book you would know. It's difficult to lead and both Lilly and Rick do not want to, but since there is nobody else that is capable, well they kinda have to.
    Nobody wanted to ration the food but everybody was complaining. Why didn't your precious Carley do it? She didn't do anything else, not ever once standing on guard or going hunting. She's like super useless.
    Lilly's the one that tells you to be careful when spying on other people's business in the dairy. Later if you save her father, which in my opinion is the only right choice, she saves your ass twice. Even if you don't do it, in episode 3 she still saves everybody's ass when the bandits attack.

    How does Kenny respond to that? He kills her father in the most gruesome way and let's you die like 5 times at least. Then he accuses her of not having his family's best interests in mind and tells you to leave her behind when she had just saved your asses.
    Yeah, if I was in her place I would be pretty pissed as well.

    Why I blame others. Well, for starters Kenny does kill her father. In the worst way possible. You cannot expect her to live through that as if nothing happened. Her own people murdered her father, then they continue on putting the blame for everything on her and in the end there was a fu***** traitor in the group that attracted bandits and zombies. And Kenny tried to leave her behind. She lost everything they've been trying to build for so long and it was like nobody cared. Well, of course that the likes of Carley wouldn't care that much. After all, what good have they done for the group, again?
    If I was playing her character instead of Lee's I would be absolutely pissed off. There was just so much one can take. She shot Carley/Ben because she was dead sure it was one of them and guess what - she was fu***** right!
    It was not about revenge... believe me, if it was Kenny wouldn't be walking around.

    Kenny started all this as well as the whole group's intolerance. If the game allowed me I would've escaped with Lilly and Clem. She's no weakling and despite her loss, she's a survivor and a good leader.
    Why I like her? Because I understand her, I can relate to her better than the rest and because I know how hard it is to be a leader and to have every decision you make double-guessed by everyone, despite that nobody else really wants to do it.
  • I trust Lilly as far as I can throw her. Which is actually pretty far, off a cliff.
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