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Episode 3, Things that don't add up.

edited October 2012 in The Walking Dead
Detective Mode:You go on a simple hunt for chalk and find medicine for people who aren't even sick. Bandits are supposed to pick up the meds in broad daylight? Episode 2 Carley/Doug spots Danny and Andy in an instant when they're freaking out over being infected.

Shooting:Then there's the gunfire, okay so you got two people shooting semi-auto guns at bandits and walkers. And there's apparently tons of bandits in the woods shooting way more guns, but the walkers want you instead? And when the walker goes after Kat and Duck, clearly it doesn't bite duck where they show him getting bit.

Roadside confrontation: In any real life situation I doubt people are going to go crazy and shoot someone over stolen medicine. "You have til' three", what happens at three? She didn't have a gun in her hand when she was about to start counting. And it seemed like Ben was about to admit he did it before Kenny hits a walker. About that, how do you hit a walker in the street like that? He clearly had headlights and was paying attention to the road. The random accusations in the RV as well, "I've had my suspicions", okay why?

Tanker Problem: Clearly the tanker was in the way, but when you cut it down, there's no way that the tanker magically moved out of the way, or wasn't damaged and leaked, with probable explosion.

I don't know, I paid attention to this episode after I was upset that nothing seemed to be going in any right direction for the characters/story. So I stared at it for every possible scenario that didn't make sense to me.

Honestly, people argue that "in a real life situation" and stuff like that, yeah well it's a game. It's a fantasy land.
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  • edited September 2012
    On the topic of the Duck zombie bite, I vaguely remember Lee looking away real fast when it fell, its possible Duck was bitten then, but unlikely.
  • edited September 2012
    I remember that too. I was just like...but when you look back at Duck the walker's head is clearly 4-6 inches away from either of them. Specifically it's mouth.
  • edited September 2012
    We don't really know the circumstances surrounding the bandit situation, everyone was a bit distraught at the time of it happening and so it was the perfect time for a raid to go so smoothly for them. About the zombies, well some of the bandits came into the motor inn, if the zombies came the others probably either died or ran away.

    About the confrontation, that was never going to go smoothly, Lilly was losing it and she snapped, everyone was yelling, tension was high, things go badly in those kind of situations. Have you ever done something in a stupid rage that you regretted instantly after, or barely felt like you even had any control over doing. Most people would have.

    The tanker problem is a bit hard to explain, I can't remember exactly how it fell, but it had the possibility of falling out of the way, or into a position in which the train could nudge it off the track.

    Everything that happened is explainable, I didn't stop to question any of it really, didn't see the need to. Except the tanker problem a bit.
  • edited September 2012
    For the argument on the road, consider one thing. Lilly LOVED the motel. Go to the dairy?

    Lilly: We should just get our food to go, back to the motel.

    In episode 3, she was still pissed off about the fact that they had to leave sometime. Lilly like the things she has. It doesn't seem like she wants to move on. Growing paranoid and angry at the possible traitor, Lilly shot Carley/Doug, hoping it would provide her some solace.
  • edited September 2012
    Ben Murder Trials commence!
  • edited September 2012
    Ben's a good kid, nobody touches him.
  • edited September 2012
    Ben is tearing this community apart!!!11
  • edited September 2012
    I did not hit Carley. She's lying. It's bullshit. I did not hit her, I did NAHT.

    Oh, hey Mark.
  • edited September 2012
    MichaCHOW wrote: »
    Detective Mode:You go on a simple hunt for chalk and find medicine for people who aren't even sick.

    It's a ZA - if you wait until you're sick to get meds... you're doing something wrong.
  • edited September 2012
    MichaCHOW wrote: »
    I remember that too. I was just like...but when you look back at Duck the walker's head is clearly 4-6 inches away from either of them. Specifically it's mouth.

    You see a fallen zombie drop onto duck, later on when we see the bite, its just the indentation of the teeth, thats why I assume he lasted as long because had the walker been 'alive' it would have ripped a chunk out and probably sped up the infection
  • edited September 2012
    As far as the meds go I remember she said they were basically taking anything with opium in it.
    The roadside thing was just bottled up crap exploding everywhere. Lily reached for her gun behind her when Kenny conveniently distracts everyone. Cant explain the how that falling tanker was out of the way.
  • edited September 2012
    or didnt explode...c'mooon
  • edited September 2012
    I think they came to pick up when Ben was on watch. When the bandits came over again, he thought his package was still behind the grate.

    The walkers do grab bandits too. They keep coming in after the remaining bandits have fled, or have been killed.

    If the real life situation was a ZA, I'm sure they would be angry at stolen medicine, not only for the trust issues. Medicine would be pretty important, as there would likely be no-one to manufacture more or anything.
  • edited September 2012
    I remember Lilly talking about keeping medicine in stock so if someone gets sick, they have medicine available. In a zombie infested world, waiting to get medicine after getting sick isn't a good idea.

    I think your looking for something to be wrong so hard that you are making yourself believe there is something wrong when there isn't.

    The only thing I can agree on is the suspicion about the tanker being on the rails after it's cut loose, but I can't recall what happened clearly enough to comment on that.
  • edited September 2012
    What I didn't like was the investigation part.... I checked the glass the chalk and spoke to all. It was 100% clear to me that it was Ben immediately. He is a terrible liar. But I can't do anything. I can't talk to anyone about Ben, I can't tell Lilly that I think I know who it is, I can't do anything. Then Lilly accuses him anyway later and you can side against or for him and you can't state anything you noticed during the investigation. It was so annoying and could have been wayyy more fun and interactive.
  • edited September 2012
    well, I have no idea how anyone though just dropping it was a good idea, but...

    even petrol does not just randomly explode like in movies. gas/petrol fumes in the air are often very explosive, but gas in the tank is not.

    however how the thing fell to the side was plausible albeit lucky. It falls to the track and then to the side, sliding off the track (which is realistically slightly raised). It totally punctures and leaks, which you can then set on fire.

    in reality though, there would have been a fair chance the thing stays partly/blocking the track. in which case you would have to get lucky (but possible) to very slowly push through without sparks igniting anything.

    other thoughts I had though was that they would have had pretty good chances in a Walking Dead World, to simply lay flat on top of the overpass, or even to get inside the boxcar and shut the doors tight and be quite for about 5-6 hours.

    but whatever, I'm in the camp of its a game and it is in many ways more fun to not have the choice to do the ideal/right thing. It's the walking dead, you make good choices that get you screwed, and sometimes you have no good choices, or you make a bad choice and people die.
  • edited September 2012
    or back in ep1 DUCK WAS BITTEN and that means larry was right !! but because it was just a nip of the teeth with only a little cut it took all that time to incubate the virus..

    bit of a reach but still i agree in ep3 the walker was actually closer to katjaa as she was on top of duck..
  • edited September 2012
    Yeah, albeit a fantasy based game, I'll add my bits and pieces that don't add up to me, as well. Remember, it's only a game, so don't think too hard on these little tidbits I'm about to point out. :D

    Guns: Okay, they're in Georgia. Being from a gun happy state myself, this bugs me a little. In Episode two, when the camera pans on Lily's face as she's staring off into the woods, before Lee and company bring Ben and his friend in, you can see her weapon. Now, I may be wrong, but judging by the size, magazine (It looked like a magazine at the bottom of the rifle), and so on... You mean to tell me Lily was using a .22 rifle? Really? That's all they could find? Even in Episode three, when Carly helps you in the Motor Inn raid, she seems to be using a 9mm semi-automatic (Pistols are harder to identify in games, but it looks like a 9mm to me). Is this all they could find?

    In reality, they should have been tripping over guns, especially in Georgia. Southern states are known for their gun toting citizens (And there's nothing wrong with that). I find it really hard to believe that, with the majority of the population decimated by the outbreak, they only had those certain weapons after a 3+ month stay at the inn. Even one of the bandits had a shotgun, but Lee's crew are carrying light arms. Wow. :rolleyes:

    Food and Supplies: Again, this is another one that doesn't make sense to me. Even small towns have multiple eateries and stores to shop at, but after three months they still don't have squat for supplies. There doesn't seem to be too many other survivors in the immediate area, so I'd assume they'd be able to sneak around and gather much more food and supplies then they already have.

    Gear: They have... nothing! Even Christa and Omid struck me as odd, walking around with nothing to their names, but these guys only have ONE backpack and no batteries. I'm sure the town wasn't cleaned out, especially with the lack of people, in three months. Speaking of the gear. Why does it look like they're using stuff from back in the early 90's? Incandescent bulb flashlights? No L.E.D.s? Nobody else carries a backpack? There should be tons of gear laying around. Same with food, and the other things.

    The Chalk: What was the point of that? One "X" on a wall and some smashed chalk under the dumpster? Huh? :confused: Was Ben marking the building, or something? Why? They already shot the crap out of it with bullets and arrows. I'm pretty sure they knew what motor inn they were at (Considering I didn't see another one). Besides, where did they get the chalk? I've never seen a pharmacy carry sticks of chalk before. :p

    The Motor Inn: Okay, you mean to tell me that out of ALL of those vehicles, not a single one was operational? Was the inn run down and abandoned to begin with? The RV had to have worked at one time, and I assume no one did any real damage to it after the ZA broke out (People were too busy being dead :p), but Kenny had to make major repairs to it. Right. I guess that would have been too easy for them, considering the story has to make it seem that they're hard-pressed. :)

    The Tanker: This one struck me as odd for a few reasons. First, even though there weren't too many people out and about, there was still fuel in it. I would have thought that people would have stumbled across it, by now, and emptied the contents from the tanker at least. I would think that some survivors would have generators, and such, and would need the fuel. I'm surprised nobody stumbled across it.

    Secondly, it seems to have been in an accident. However, looking at the scene, there's no evidence that that was the case. The vehicle (The one with the tape in it) was blocking the tanker's path, implying that it showed up afterward, but I saw no damage to the front of the semi pulling the tanks (Correct me if I'm wrong). How on earth did it go over the edge? When Lee was trying to cut through it, and it shifted, that went to prove (Since the tires rolled) that the brakes weren't on. Why didn't it just roll over the edge, as well? Lastly, on a small note, it would have taken them a lot longer to blowtorch their way through that hitch. :p

    Duck Being Bitten: I just wanted to say, on this one, that it was possible. On my game, the Walker did land on them, and it's mouth was around Duck's waist when Lee looked up. Kat was just struggling with it, which caused it to move. What I don't get is, if it bit him, why wasn't half his side missing? :D

    As stated, I know it's just a game. I just added these to add to the fun of the thread. :)
  • edited September 2012
    the chalk was a sign that the drop off had been made (bag in the grate) and the bandits should come and pick up, but when they arrived saw the sign but no delivery they attacked, the tanker could be there for any reason, think of a plausible one and it's probably that, and duck being bitten probably happened in the seconds we didn't see, as for the stuff they dont have but should, i blame lilly, she was in charge and she must not have thought looking for food, guns and vehicles was a good idea
  • edited September 2012
    @Dead__Man__Walking: I didn't ever think about that, good catch haha
  • edited September 2012
    while we're at it how could anyone not hear the 'gate' moving when ben had to open it to get outside ?
  • edited September 2012
    the chalk was a sign that the drop off had been made (bag in the grate) and the bandits should come and pick up, but when they arrived saw the sign but no delivery they attacked

    Thanks for clearing that up, if it's true. What I don't get about that is... Why not reach over the fence, on that side, and mark the fence itself? It wouldn't have been obvious to anyone if he had done that. :P I guess we had to figure it out, sooner or later, so the story could progress. :D
  • edited September 2012
    Thanks for clearing that up, if it's true. What I don't get about that is... Why not reach over the fence, on that side, and mark the fence itself? It wouldn't have been obvious to anyone if he had done that. :P I guess we had to figure it out, sooner or later, so the story could progress. :D

    yeah, why not have the chalk cross above the grate or just near it, but maybe the bandits specifically picked that wall because they could see it from really far away from a hidden vantage point, then move hidden in the woods to approach the grate from the opposite side.
    or maybe it's so we could find the clue before leaving the main parking lot, but that's not story so that's stupid :)
  • edited September 2012
    while we're at it how could anyone not hear the 'gate' moving when ben had to open it to get outside ?

    I think it might be possible that he found a way over or under it. After all, a person is much more resourceful than the dead, and he's a pretty slim guy.
  • edited September 2012
    Viden wrote: »
    I think it might be possible that he found a way over or under it. After all, a person is much more resourceful than the dead, and he's a pretty slim guy.

    how come theres 'pink chalk' underneath it then...like he dropped a bit while moving the gate and it got crushed..
  • edited September 2012
    Exactly - one more clue.
  • edited September 2012

    Guns: Okay, they're in Georgia. Being from a gun happy state myself, this bugs me a little. In Episode two, when the camera pans on Lily's face as she's staring off into the woods, before Lee and company bring Ben and his friend in, you can see her weapon. Now, I may be wrong, but judging by the size, magazine (It looked like a magazine at the bottom of the rifle), and so on... You mean to tell me Lily was using a .22 rifle? Really? That's all they could find? Even in Episode three, when Carly helps you in the Motor Inn raid, she seems to be using a 9mm semi-automatic (Pistols are harder to identify in games, but it looks like a 9mm to me). Is this all they could find?

    In reality, they should have been tripping over guns, especially in Georgia. Southern states are known for their gun toting citizens (And there's nothing wrong with that). I find it really hard to believe that, with the majority of the population decimated by the outbreak, they only had those certain weapons after a 3+ month stay at the inn. Even one of the bandits had a shotgun, but Lee's crew are carrying light arms. Wow. :rolleyes:

    You bring up some excellent points.

    I think this one is explainable though.

    Until people realized you need a headshot - a lot of ammo would likely have been lost on center mass shots.

    Plus, guns make a lot of noise, noise attracts walkers... so places with guns will have lots of walkers (except possibly actual gun stores) - since anyone with a gun would either have it or have lost it when getting overrun.

    I found it odd they didn't pick up any military grade gear when they got Mark (his name was Mark right?) - but again, ammo is probably the limiting factor.
  • edited September 2012
    ... Duck Being Bitten: I just wanted to say, on this one, that it was possible. On my game, the Walker did land on them, and it's mouth was around Duck's waist when Lee looked up. Kat was just struggling with it, which caused it to move. What I don't get is, if it bit him, why wasn't half his side missing? :D ...
    I was wondering that for quite a while already and watching that scene again now, brought me to more "things that don't add up".

    I'll provide some pics for clarity.

    The scene starts with a Zombie attacking and taking down a bandit.
    zduck01.png

    The Walker seems to feast on his prey behind the barricade while Lee is just about to shoot the last bandit.
    zduck02.png

    Once shot, Lee calls out to the three to move but only Clem does. In the background we see the walker getting up, making his way to Katjaa and Duck. He will obviously ignore the bandit Lee just shot, even though the Walkers did feast on the lady in episode 3 after Lee shot her.
    zduck03.png

    From now on it takes five seconds for Lee to hug Clem and let go. Only then do Katjaa and Duck even try to run for safety.
    zduck04.png

    This is the frame where the scene cuts to Lee, it is quite well possible the Walker got Duck. It is only in the next scene that Katjaa fights back.
    zduck05.png

    There are a few things here that don't add up for me. One would be the Walker's behavior, why did the other bandits totally ignore the Walker, but most importantly, why didn't Katjaa and Duck move when Lee told them too?
  • edited September 2012
    Duck Being Bitten: I just wanted to say, on this one, that it was possible. On my game, the Walker did land on them, and it's mouth was around Duck's waist when Lee looked up. Kat was just struggling with it, which caused it to move. What I don't get is, if it bit him, why wasn't half his side missing? :D

    The walker was dead when it landed on Duck. It wasnt so much a bite as much as the weight of the walker's 'dead' body pressing on Duck leaving the bite-indentation, but it was enough to penetrate skin. I think this is why Duck lasted as long as he did. An animated walker would have ripped clean through his side.
    imo
  • edited September 2012
    The Walker was definitely not dead (erm... you know what I mean). He actively throws Katjaa and Duck to the ground and struggles with them before getting shot.
  • edited September 2012
    The Walker was definitely not dead (erm... you know what I mean). He actively throws Katjaa and Duck to the ground and struggles with them before getting shot.

    The walker was dead before it could complete it's bite on Duck.
  • edited September 2012
    So you are basically saying that Duck was actually bitten in episode 1 and it took three and a half months for him to turn?
  • edited September 2012
    So you are basically saying that Duck was actually bitten in episode 1 and it took three and a half months for him to turn?

    Whoops, sorry I thought we were talking about Episode 3.
    Oh wait, we are...and Duck wasnt bitten in Ep1, he had walker remains blown out over him.
  • edited September 2012
    Ok, so if Duck was bitten neither in episode 1 nor in episode 3, who bit him then? Ben?
  • edited September 2012
    Who's on first? What's on second?

    I think what Xarne is saying is that Duck wasn't bitten by the walker until after he was shot and that it was the weight of the falling body that broke Duck's skin with the walker's teeth. It's possible, but I think that even if Katjaa wasn't fighting back yet, that walker was dealing with a very wiggly little kid and when he tried to bite him, Duck reacted and flinched back before the walker got a good chunk.
  • edited September 2012
    Ok, so if Duck was bitten neither in episode 1 nor in episode 3, who bit him then? Ben?

    Ya. It was clearly Ben...you did read post #30, ya?
    Where did I say Duck was never bit?
  • edited September 2012
    Sure I read that, I just don't see any logic in it.

    He had clear bite marks, I boldly state that these are impossible to achieve, while falling on someone from about 30 centimeters and through a t-shirt. Sorry, no way dudes.
  • edited September 2012
    You dont see how someone can bite hard enough through a t-shirt to leave bite marks, but not tear the cloth itself? Well, thats a life experience you'll need to discover for yourself my friend. And just like the scenario with Duck, just cause *you* dont believe in it, doesnt mean it didnt or cant happen.
  • edited September 2012
    Xarne wrote: »
    You dont see how someone can bite hard enough through a t-shirt to leave bite marks, but not tear the cloth itself? Well, thats a life experience you'll need to discover for yourself my friend. And just like the scenario with Duck, just cause *you* dont believe in it, doesnt mean it didnt or cant happen.
    You said the walker was dead... how could he bite? He would have to fall with his teeth onto the shirt and penetrate it enough to also penetrate Duck's skin.

    Are you trying to be funny there? Bullshit yourself if you must... my friend!
  • edited September 2012
    You said the walker was dead... how could he bite? He would have to fall with his teeth onto the shirt and penetrate it enough to also penetrate Duck's skin.

    Are you trying to be funny there? Bullshit yourself if you must... my friend!

    ...I didnt think I had to merge both posts into one massive collage, especially since it's only my opinion, not canon and doesnt matter but let me spell it all out one last time:
    (live)walker grabs Duck,(live) walker locks in,(live) walker teeth are in place, (live) walker gets shot,(dead) walker jaw muscles release around Duck leaving bite indentations, rather than completing the task.
    I cant get any more slow motion than that, Im sorry you're getting lost in the Ep 1 and 3 shuffle and that you refuse to acknowledge Duck didnt get a bite, but he did, it was in Ep 3 and it wasnt Ben, it was the same walker in your pics. See pic #4 and #5, yep, that's him.
    No I wasnt trying to be funny at all.
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