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This really suprised me.

edited December 2012 in The Walking Dead
When I completed episode 2 and I was among the small percentage of people who had killed both St. Johns Brothers.... What is wrong with people!! They would have eaten you alive lest they had the chance!!!
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  • edited October 2012
    They killed the first one then seen sad Clem, so spared the second one
  • edited October 2012
    I didn't want Clementine to see. She was already plenty upset at me for killing Larry, which was necessary; killing two brothers who are defenseless in some way and do not pose an active threat isn't something I wanted to show her.
  • edited October 2012
    two wrongs don't make a right
  • edited October 2012
    slough wrote: »
    I didn't want Clementine to see. She was already plenty upset at me for killing Larry, which was necessary; killing two brothers who are defenseless in some way and do not pose an active threat isn't something I wanted to show her.

    Yeah but they ate part of your group and were going to kill/eat them all but one (Clem wouldn't have been the one as no real meat and Andy said that). If these aren't the people who deserved to die who the hell is. I mean there is no Law and Order to take care of these types and leaving them to their own devices is hardly a plan either. If we saw the zombies eating them then no problem with me but if there is even the chance they live...well then that would be a chance for us to die and fuck that
  • edited October 2012
    Leaving andy alive is a worse wrong than killing him and danny because they are just going to kill more people and possibly get you eventually. No thanks Ill kill them and show my group how to deal with problems right away. Like people who cut the legs off mark and were GOING TO KILL ALL OF US!!!
  • edited October 2012
    lucid616 wrote: »
    Leaving andy alive is a worse wrong than killing him and danny because they are just going to kill more people and possibly get you eventually. No thanks Ill kill them and show my group how to deal with problems right away. Like people who cut the legs off mark and were GOING TO KILL ALL OF US!!!

    I killed Danny and I wish Clem hadn't seen it, but killing Andy after that is just pointless. The guy was worse than Kenny when Katjaa killed herself and you had to shoot Duck. Plus, what's one guy against a group of armed people? And I think Danny was done for either way. I'd like to see how they'd release him from that trap... and even if they did, he wouldn't be walking properly again so early. And then there were the bandits, who were already attacking the farm at the beginning of the episode... the remaining St John's wouldn't be able to supply them again as well as they could before, so I don't think they were gonna be fine either way.
  • edited October 2012
    I didn't feel bad about killing the St Johns, and I too was surprised how few people killed them. The St Johns were a danger not only to your group but to anyone who met them.

    However, as I thought about it more, I regretted how it was done. There was no reason for Lee to decide on his own (it should have been put to a vote) and people could have decided whether they wanted to watch the executions or not. Kids didn't need to see it.

    The people who just wanted to get their group and leave the St Johns alive are pretty irresponsible. And the people who wanted the St Johns to be eaten by zombies (instead of executed) are into revenge, not justice.
  • edited October 2012
    I killed him because I was mad haha.
  • edited October 2012
    I did not kill the first because he was trapped in a bear trap anyway with two sickle marks in his chest, I did not kill the second because i had already beaten him damn well to near death and then noticed the incoming walkers.
  • edited October 2012
    I did not kill the first because he was trapped in a bear trap anyway with two sickle marks in his chest, I did not kill the second because i had already beaten him damn well to near death and then noticed the incoming walkers.

    on danny i wasn't sure there was another choice...thought it was just what had to be done (as I did with the leg choppy scene in start of ep 2) I didn't scan to check if anything else was clickable.

    with Andy I hit him once and my mouse flew across the screen so then he pushed me over. I fought him off by kicking him into the fence just kinda zapping him. he got up and started yelling still looking damn strong, so i picked up his rifle and put it to good use. I barely feel like anything but the bullet affected him. he was another Larry IMO
  • edited October 2012
    I get what you are saying but I only killed the one in the barn.I was so appalled and disgusted by what I had witnessed that I couldn't restrain myself.After I did it,I felt a little guilty because he was unarmed.
  • edited October 2012
    Part of it was me killing Larry. It had to be done, in my mind, but that didn't make me feel better about it. Because of that I agonized over Danny and finally killed him because I was afraid he'd somehow escape and begin killing other people again. Then Clem seeing made me feel really bad. After that, I caused Brenda to get killed, and when I had the choice with Andy...well... I guess I thought I'd caused enough misery that day. I shot Jolene, helped kill Larry, killed Danny and Brenda, and Andy clearly didn't have the will to go on. I left him because I thought that killing him would make me even worse than he and his family were.
  • edited October 2012
    After helping to kill Larry, I felt so bad, so I let Danny live because I thought he was trapped, and that he not cause problems anymore.
    And Andy, when he realized that his family was dead and the walkers were coming, I didn't find a reason to kill him, and everyone watching, that had also influences me.
  • edited October 2012
    I killed the first one on instinct, not realizing Clementine had come into the room. I explained to her he was a bad person and truly deserved it, and truly believe that. The second I left alive because of two reasons. The entire group was watching me, so I dont want to look like a muderous bastard, and two: that man didnt deserve to be spared from the walkers. Let him suffer.
  • edited October 2012
    Did you see how we left them?

    By killing them you let them off lightly, in leaving them you leave them to the horrible death of being eaten alive by zombies.
  • edited October 2012
    In one of the Talking Dead episodes the Telltale folks mentioned that 55% of players killed Danny, so probably what happened is that when most players heard Clementine scream they didn't want to kill someone else in front of Clem.

    As for me, I killed both, after Mark and Larry died I had no reason to spare them and my Lee isn't the kind of person to give a hostile party a chance to come back for revenge. And while I'm as nice as I can be to Clem, if I think she's wrong about something then I do things my way.
  • edited October 2012
    In one of the Talking Dead episodes the Telltale folks mentioned that 55% of players killed Danny, so probably what happened is that when most players heard Clementine scream they didn't want to kill someone else in front of Clem.

    As for me, I killed both, after Mark and Larry died I had no reason to spare them and my Lee isn't the kind of person to give a hostile party a chance to come back for revenge. And while I'm as nice as I can be to Clem, if I think she's wrong about something then I do things my way.

    I agree, Andy could have made it out of there, and who would he want to hurt more than anyone, so take care of it first. Leaving either alive, no matter how bad danny was hurt would be a bad idea.
  • edited October 2012
    cormoran wrote: »
    By killing them you let them off lightly, in leaving them you leave them to the horrible death of being eaten alive by zombies.

    Exactly. It was poetic justice leaving Danny and Andy for mom's first zombie meal deal.
  • edited October 2012
    Reason why no very few kill both brothers: if you kill Danny Clem will look sad at you.. so you think about it more for Andy. Also the way they have set up the potential killing of Andy seemed like a choice between your group or selfish rage.
  • edited October 2012
    lucid616 wrote: »
    When I completed episode 2 and I was among the small percentage of people who had killed both St. Johns Brothers.... What is wrong with people!! They would have eaten you alive lest they had the chance!!!

    they both get the zombie chomp either way
    having clem sad for killing Larry was bad enough
  • edited October 2012
    dubesor wrote: »
    Also the way they have set up the potential killing of Andy seemed like a choice between your group or selfish rage.
    I don't see how it could. My anger at the St. Johns was spent after killing Danny, Brenda, and rearranging Andy's face, my Lee at least was considering the safety of the group when he killed Andy and I think most of the players that killed him did so for similar reasons. The world is hostile enough to Lee's group as it is without giving a decidedly hostile group a second chance to come after you, especially since Danny's and Andy's mother dies due to Lee's actions no matter what which I think would give them a very strong incentive if the generator didn't magically fail at the end.
  • edited October 2012
    I killed both brothers. Sure, Danny is caught in a bear trap. But for all I know, his brother has a blowtorch, and the second I leave him his brother will free him, and then he's a danger again. With Andy, I decided to kill him before I ever saw walkers getting into the farm. Again, I felt he would be dangerous if left alive. He could have had a gun stashed nearby, and starting firing on my group the second I turned my back. These two have just chopped off my friends legs and caused his death, then locked up most of the rest of our group to be killed later. I wasn't taking any chances with them.
  • edited October 2012
    Yeah, but eaten alive by zombies is way more painful then being instantly killed by a pitchfork or getting electrocuted/shot. Also their blood won't be on your hands :3
  • edited October 2012
    dustpuffs wrote: »
    I killed both brothers. Sure, Danny is caught in a bear trap. But for all I know, his brother has a blowtorch, and the second I leave him his brother will free him, and then he's a danger again. With Andy, I decided to kill him before I ever saw walkers getting into the farm. Again, I felt he would be dangerous if left alive. He could have had a gun stashed nearby, and starting firing on my group the second I turned my back. These two have just chopped off my friends legs and caused his death, then locked up most of the rest of our group to be killed later. I wasn't taking any chances with them.

    Exactly. :cool:
  • edited October 2012
    Enough blood had been shed in the meat locker. When I was fighting with Andy, he begged for Lee to kill him. Rather than doing what he wanted, I left him. Got happy when I found out that he was about to be eaten by zombies.
  • edited October 2012
    Killed both of them. I was just angry, I guess.
  • edited October 2012
    bonus20pts wrote: »
    Killed both of them. I was just angry, I guess.

    Me too but in the ZA I believe it's just called surviving truth be told:) I reacted as I would normally to a crazy group member eating family...I fucking closed shop on their dairy! No way was I gonna just let em turn, get up and continue eating humans. Would've given everyone a headshot if I could. they don't deserve my mercy, just a bullet. But in the real world I so don't kill people...until the walkers come then watch out. If you try to eat my group you are so gutted:p
  • edited October 2012
    I didn't want Clem to see Lee killing, so I sparred em both. I knew the Zombies would get them if I sparred them, so that was justice enough
  • edited October 2012
    The thing is that people don´t assume their first choice so they re-play to do that.

    I didn´t knew clem was watching and I killed him, but I let my choice because that´s what I really wanted to do.

    BTW, I never reload my choices, that sucks for me !
  • edited October 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    They killed the first one then seen sad Clem, so spared the second one

    The one and only time I ever reloaded a decision.
  • edited October 2012
    I didn't know Clem was there and I was so caught up in the moment. When I saw Danny in the trap I kept seeing Mark and the crazy women he shot, I ran through them grabbing Clem and the rage I felt and I stabbed the shit out of him. Knowing Clem was watching with the second brother, knowing he had lost his whole family, the will to live and the means to do so I said no, you get to live with that for those short brutal moments left to you. He was already broken, completely dead inside killing him was a mercy he didn't deserve and Clem didn't need to see anyone else die today.
  • edited December 2012
    Leaving them to the walkers that were invading the farm at the time was worse than just shooting/stabbing them and having that over and done with. Going back, I'd probably kill Danny (I spared them both before) because I detested him since the beginning, but I honestly really liked Andy and Brenda.

    But Brenda turned into a walker and you saw her limping towards Andy who was making no move to run, so they probably got devoured anyway.
  • edited December 2012
    I killed Danny because that was a painful death for him, as painful as I could give. Killing Andy was a mercy I didn't give him. The son of a bitch got his face mashed up and was devoured by walkers, and I still think that wasn't enough.
  • edited December 2012
    lucid616 wrote: »
    When I completed episode 2 and I was among the small percentage of people who had killed both St. Johns Brothers.... What is wrong with people!! They would have eaten you alive lest they had the chance!!!

    I had Lee kill both St. John brothers as well, and had Lee later explain to Clem that they were dangerous and that it was done for the good of the group.

    It was a combination of rage over what they had done to Mark and what they wanted to do to Clementine, and wanting to get rid of them so that they couldn't hurt any more survivors. They had killed and eaten other 'guests,' and it is implied that the bear trap that ensnares the teacher that was with Ben was placed there by the St. John brothers to catch people to eat. I was afraid that sparing them might leave them around to kill more people.

    If you spare the St. John brothers they end up getting killed anyway, except by zombies. And getting devoured by zombies is perhaps more fitting, considering they were killing and eating other people. But the first time through there is no way of knowing that, unless you've read or watched spoilers.
  • edited December 2012
    I didn't kill them cuz i didn't want Clem to see it and they would've just get killed by walkers (i didn't really know that would happen,but i assumed,so everything worked out fine ^^)
  • edited August 2013
    I didn't kill either and I've regretted it ever since. I was naive letting them live, yes I spared clem seeing them die but what if they come back? Something tells me Andy at least is out there a remaining threat to clem. I think they are the main reason I play more ruthless now, so I don't feel that regret again :(
  • edited August 2013
    lucid616 wrote: »
    When I completed episode 2 and I was among the small percentage of people who had killed both St. Johns Brothers.... What is wrong with people!! They would have eaten you alive lest they had the chance!!!
    I would have killed Danny if Clem wasn't there but that would have just been my knee jerk reaction, on the impulse of anger like when I left Lilly on the road side on my first playthrough but then I realised that the brothers suffer far more if you don't kill them. Danny is practically goading Lee and telling him to kill him and eat him and Andy is telling Lee to finish him off. Why should I give them what they want?

    Danny wanted me to become him and abandon my humanity. By giving into his provocation I am just as bad, in his eyes as him, making him see himself as normal. By telling him I will not become him through leaving him I am showing him how wrong he is. There is no way he could get out of that Bear trap. Remember M.R Parker? One way or another he would be subject to the same fate.

    When it came to Andy, by then I knew walkers were coming because Carly took one out and I knew that the fence was damaged because I sabotaged it earlier. I knew that Brenda was bitten and it would be worse for Andy to discover the death of his mother and state of his brother. They were both as good as dead, but what made leaving them more satisfying was knowing that their fates will be worse because they were spared. They get to see that they have lost everything because they fucked with us and they get to see us walk off in the moon light without blood on our hands, with our humanity intact, making us the better men which kind of rubbishes their philosophy.

    We get the last laugh. They see us win and see us see them loose. A bullet is quick and puts them out of their misery. The fact that Clem is proud of us and respects us more is just a bonus. The rest of the group see you as a good man so they can judge you for themselves even after they learn about your past. You prove to them that you’re a good man and not the monstrous murderer the press made you out to be.
  • edited August 2013
    Ya didn't kill them... but you didn't have to save them either.

    One of them was left stuck in a bear trap and the other was left unarmed, all while a horde of walkers smashed through their fence. Killing them probably would've been the more merciful thing to do.
  • edited August 2013
    IndigoHawk wrote: »
    I didn't feel bad about killing the St Johns, and I too was surprised how few people killed them. The St Johns were a danger not only to your group but to anyone who met them.

    However, as I thought about it more, I regretted how it was done. There was no reason for Lee to decide on his own (it should have been put to a vote) and people could have decided whether they wanted to watch the executions or not. Kids didn't need to see it.

    The people who just wanted to get their group and leave the St Johns alive are pretty irresponsible. And the people who wanted the St Johns to be eaten by zombies (instead of executed) are into revenge, not justice.
    You're far more merciful than you give yourself credit for. Why did the Governor leave Merle and Milton mortally wounded in the show? So they suffer more and turn. I left the brothers for the same reason I didn't shoot the stranger after strangling him, so they suffer more. The stranger will spend the rest of his existence as a walker until he starves going from “roamer” state to the weaker “lurker” state until he has no energy left. In the brothers case they have to wait until the walkers draw closer then they suffer the pain of being eaten alive. Poetic justice at it's best. The irony of being eaten alive after their antiques is priceless.
  • edited August 2013
    I didn't kill either and I've regretted it ever since. I was naive letting them live, yes I spared clem seeing them die but what if they come back? Something tells me Andy at least is out there a remaining threat to clem. I think they are the main reason I play more ruthless now, so I don't feel that regret again :(
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