Should the St. John brothers return (if you let them live)?

I'm not too sure how much of a part they could play in season 2, since there's only so many different story paths Telltale could cram into five episodes, but should they make some kind of appearance regardless?

I think Telltale could make things a little easier on themselves by having the brothers show up as walkers, with a few minor differences depending on Lee's actions in the last game. One way or another, the farm was being overrun by zombies, and it's unlikely they would have escaped even if Lee allowed both brothers to live. If Lee killed Danny, for example, we'd see Walker-Danny appear with a pitchfork still impaled through his chest. Or if Lee shot Andrew through the head instead of kicking him into the fence, Walker-Andrew wouldn't appear at all. Little details like that wouldn't give Telltale too many grey hairs, but it would still give ongoing players a treat, so to speak.

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  • edited February 2013
    I'm not too sure how much of a part they could play in season 2, since there's only so many different story paths Telltale could cram into five episodes, but should they make some kind of appearance regardless?

    I think Telltale could make things a little easier on themselves by having the brothers show up as walkers, with a few minor differences depending on Lee's actions in the last game. One way or another, the farm was being overrun by zombies, and it's unlikely they would have escaped even if Lee allowed both brothers to live. If Lee killed Danny, for example, we'd see Walker-Danny appear with a pitchfork still impaled through his chest. Or if Lee shot Andrew through the head instead of kicking him into the fence, Walker-Andrew wouldn't appear at all. Little details like that wouldn't give Telltale too many grey hairs, but it would still give ongoing players a treat, so to speak.

    No... No need...
  • edited February 2013
    I guess it's possible to see Walker Brenda or Walker Andy. Danny is chained up in the barn from the bear trap, so he ain't going anywhere. The other two are unlikely to wonder much farther than the farm or Macon. Unless Season 2 takes place in Macon again, or if alive Andy somehow made it out of there which is unlikely, then no we won't see them again.
  • edited February 2013
    No.
  • edited February 2013
    They weren't really important enough to return in any fashion. Fan-service like this is nice when used in moderation, but when overdone it feels awkward and forced.
  • edited February 2013
    Riadon wrote: »
    They weren't really important enough to return in any fashion. Fan-service like this is nice when used in moderation, but when overdone it feels awkward and forced.

    ^ This
  • edited February 2013
    if you are given the option of killing a character in an episode rest assured that character is dead and won't be returning. how would TT explain the sudden appearance of a character that a percentage of the audience killed in a previous episode? no the st johns are all dead and gone to their just rewards.
  • edited February 2013
    No, that'd be very unrealistic and unnecessary.
  • edited February 2013
    as for their showing up as walkers, I agree with what most have said, "Whats the point?".
  • edited March 2013
    Nope.
  • edited March 2013
    Well, they brought back Walker Bri when all of the walkers stormed the mansion. So, it might be possible. However, it might cause too many problems when it comes to the path in the story.
  • edited March 2013
    Who were the St Johns planning on feeding you had one of your members not been injured by bandits anyway? They kept promising a dinner, but they certainly wouldn't have known that someone was going to be shot by an arrow later that day.
  • edited March 2013
    Kid22 wrote: »
    Who were the St Johns planning on feeding you had one of your members not been injured by bandits anyway? They kept promising a dinner, but they certainly wouldn't have known that someone was going to be shot by an arrow later that day.

    They did know. It was arranged between them and the bandits. The bandits could have easily killed Mark. Maybe even Lee, who was probably their target.
    They only used the bandits as an excuse to kill Jolene, who would have spilled out their plan(to kill them and eat them).
  • edited March 2013
    Who the hell let them live?!?

    In both my playthroughs, I didn't hesitate in killing those fuckers.
  • edited March 2013
    Mark$man wrote: »
    They did know. It was arranged between them and the bandits. The bandits could have easily killed Mark. Maybe even Lee, who was probably their target.
    They only used the bandits as an excuse to kill Jolene, who would have spilled out their plan(to kill them and eat them).

    I don't think the bandits had any part in it. The St. Johns had probably planned to knock Lee and Mark unconscious by turning the fence on(knowing they would be out there), then retrieve them and cut them up.
  • edited March 2013
    I remember being really shocked when I looked at the end-of-episode stats and saw that only 17% of people killed both of them. I myself didn't hesitate at all in killing either one; my general rule is to not leave people who want to eat me alive.
  • edited March 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    I don't think the bandits had any part in it. The St. Johns had probably planned to knock Lee and Mark unconscious by turning the fence on(knowing they would be out there), then retrieve them and cut them up.

    Well then the rest of the group is going to wonder what happened to them when they get there. Some version of the St. Johns "deal" with the bandits was probably still on. If you kill Jolene and mention her after Danny steps in the trap he says "That bitch never got it! She almost fucked up our best deal!" Clearly something was still going on between the two groups.
  • edited March 2013
    I believe walker Bri was the winner of the pre-order-be-a-npc-die-and-come-back thing. so she kind of had to come back lol. It would be a neat sort of Easter egg, but I don't know if they should, so to speak. I agree that too much fan pleasing can be disappointing. Would I think it was cool if we saw them again? Yes. Would I be surprised? No. I like to be surprised :P
  • edited March 2013
    Well then the rest of the group is going to wonder what happened to them when they get there. Some version of the St. Johns "deal" with the bandits was probably still on. If you kill Jolene and mention her after Danny steps in the trap he says "That bitch never got it! She almost fucked up our best deal!" Clearly something was still going on between the two groups.

    I think in that case, they would tell the group that bandits had killed Lee and Mark while they were on the outskirts of the farm and walkers ate their remains or some such, then the group would probably leave and head back to the Motor Inn(in which case the St. Johns lose nothing but gain more food to trade). I also think Danny meant that Jolene almost told the bandits that they were receiving human meat, since she herself used to be one and probably had contact with them.
  • edited March 2013
    When the bandits attack you and Mark outside the fence, I heard them say "We had a deal, now you're fucked!" There is also the possibility that it wasn't actually the bandits who shot Mark. The arrow he got hit with had a different colored tail than the arrows the bandits used, and even came from a different direction. It could be that the St. Johns were going to shoot either Mark or Lee while they were walking the fence, and blame it on the bandits, giving them someone to chop up. The bandits may have just been lurking in the woods, and saw Lee and Mark as a perfect opportunity to send a message to the St. Johns.
  • edited March 2013
    I'm not too sure how much of a part they could play in season 2, since there's only so many different story paths Telltale could cram into five episodes, but should they make some kind of appearance regardless?

    I think Telltale could make things a little easier on themselves by having the brothers show up as walkers, with a few minor differences depending on Lee's actions in the last game. One way or another, the farm was being overrun by zombies, and it's unlikely they would have escaped even if Lee allowed both brothers to live. If Lee killed Danny, for example, we'd see Walker-Danny appear with a pitchfork still impaled through his chest. Or if Lee shot Andrew through the head instead of kicking him into the fence, Walker-Andrew wouldn't appear at all. Little details like that wouldn't give Telltale too many grey hairs, but it would still give ongoing players a treat, so to speak.


    well the only time seeing andy st john again would have been with the bandits in the start of ep 3, if you let him live that is it could have been cool to see andy team with the bandits to go after lee and his group and lily would shoot him in the face
  • edited March 2013
    they should not return,i think their story feels played out.
  • edited March 2013
    Marumochi wrote: »
    Who the hell let them live?!?

    In both my playthroughs, I didn't hesitate in killing those fuckers.

    I wanted them to be eaten alive by walkers.
  • edited March 2013
    Cthulhu42 wrote: »
    I remember being really shocked when I looked at the end-of-episode stats and saw that only 17% of people killed both of them. I myself didn't hesitate at all in killing either one; my general rule is to not leave people who want to eat me alive.
    I was also surprised by the small percentage choosing my path.

    I was quick to execute Larry and both brothers. I had a moment of hestitation for Clementine's sake--but they were all threats and not in my circle of trust. I'd rather her feel bad about my actions than wind up killed/eaten by one of them.
  • edited March 2013
    I'm not too sure how much of a part they could play in season 2, since there's only so many different story paths Telltale could cram into five episodes, but should they make some kind of appearance regardless?

    I think Telltale could make things a little easier on themselves by having the brothers show up as walkers, with a few minor differences depending on Lee's actions in the last game. One way or another, the farm was being overrun by zombies, and it's unlikely they would have escaped even if Lee allowed both brothers to live. If Lee killed Danny, for example, we'd see Walker-Danny appear with a pitchfork still impaled through his chest. Or if Lee shot Andrew through the head instead of kicking him into the fence, Walker-Andrew wouldn't appear at all. Little details like that wouldn't give Telltale too many grey hairs, but it would still give ongoing players a treat, so to speak.

    If you think about it being only 5 episodes. They can choose the length of them. They could make it so each episode could be 5-7 hours instead of 2-3. They dont really have a real limit other than what they have set themselves.

    And no, i think their fate was sealed when you left the farm even if you did not kill them. The only way would be that the brother outside survived and wants revenge for his brother and mothers death.
    eyetiger wrote: »
    I was also surprised by the small percentage choosing my path.

    I was quick to execute Larry and both brothers. I had a moment of hestitation for Clementine's sake--but they were all threats and not in my circle of trust. I'd rather her feel bad about my actions than wind up killed/eaten by one of them.

    I'm not a "killer" and did not want Clem to see what i did. They were helpless and i'm not a monster like they are, therefor i let them go.
  • edited March 2013
    I do not see the St Johns comin back. They were not that important.
  • I would love to see Andy again, not as an antagonist, but a broken man who has no idea what he's even living for. Could Clem help him? Should she? Would she forgive him? Maybe he could request she kill him or maybe she could choose to do so herself, out of fear or anger.

    TellTale loves to subvert the player's expectations, and pretty much everyone states that both brothers were devoured by the zombies if you didn't kill them, even though you never actually SEE this.

  • They won't come back as even if you leave them most of the chances are they got eaten by walkers..and even if they did clem would recognize them..I dont think she forgot whitnessing larry's horrible death

  • That's the whole point. Clem is going to be our new protagonist, and given her size and age, she's going to need dilemmas far more unique than Lee's. I love the idea of her running into a seemingly-broken Andy at, say, Tavia's settlement. As someone who has lost everything, including all semblance of family she had, she can relate to him, but like you said, no way could she ever forget the events of that night. What does she do? Tell the others who and what he is? What would be the result? Would they believe her? Would her outing him make him angry enough to target her? Would he be kicked out or even executed? Maybe even a moment where she has to choose his fate. Does she get revenge? Mercy kill him? Try and help him recover? She's not Lee. If she chooses to trust him and makes a wrong call, she can't hope to fight him off.

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