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Why all are hate Larry?

edited April 2013 in The Walking Dead
Someone should stepping up to struggle against Larry's haters.

Like everyone else I was hate Larry after playing first episode but second episode changes my mind!, Would you like to know why? Ok then I'll tell you :D

Did anyone notice how happy he was in the dairy? He was happy and trying to not be an as* in dairy, and it tease me when I thinking about how happy he was and how awful Kenny smash his head

Beside that I've really really really loved his last conversation with Lee

Lee: Guss your new girl friend wasn't all she was cracked up to be.
Larry: What the hell is your problem?
Larry: You refused to give me my day's rations back at the motor lodge
Larry: And you were out of your way to be an as*hole to me tonight
Larry: You must really hate me.
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  • edited April 2013
    He did try to kill us.
  • edited April 2013
    Because he's voiced by a Beagle Boy. ... Then again, he's also voiced by Launchpad McQuack, so I guess it's a Yin/Yang thing.
  • edited April 2013
    Let's see here...

    "We'd be fine without you."
    "Don't tell me what to do, Lee."
    "Yeah, and we don't you sticking your nose where it doesn't belong."
    "Don't indulge him Lilly, it's always something with this guy."
    "I don't believe you. But guess what? You're stuck with me. I plan to be around long after you're gone, and if you turn... I'll personally be the one to finish you off."

    His negative points far outweigh all of his positive ones. I'd say he's a jerk to Lee in about 85% of his scenes. I understand that he's cautious about a convicted killer being near his daughter, but he takes it too far. Not to mention he attempts to murder Lee in the drugstore in episode 1. I don't know about you, but if someone tried to kill me after i just potentially saved their life, i would hold it against them for quite some time.

    Despite all that he does, i still try to save him in the meat locker.
  • edited April 2013
    Yeah, Mornai hits the nail on the head. There's a difference between being a concerned, protective father... and an outright asshole.
  • edited April 2013
    Yeah, Mornai hits the nail on the head. There's a difference between being a concerned, protective father... and an outright asshole.

    I think of him simply as a grade A motherfucking asshole.
  • edited April 2013
    He may have motivation in being protective of his daughter, but almost every line of dialogue he has with the group is characterized by his contempt for everyone.

    I admit to actually liking Larry as a character, but he gives you plenty of reasons to hate him.
  • edited April 2013
    Did anyone notice how happy he was in the dairy? He was happy and trying to not be an as* in dairy, and it tease me when I thinking about how happy he was and how awful Kenny smash his head

    There's probably two reasons for this:

    1) He realizes he needs to play nice because that's the only way he could get food.

    2) Larry Junior is doing the thinking.

    Anyway, Mornai and Mikejames cover my reasons for hating Larry.
  • edited April 2013
    The guy wanted to leave you all outside. He wanted to kill duck. He punched you out flat even though you saved his life. He blackmailed you. All in the span of 1 episode in which his heart condition put everyone in danger because he wouldnt just calm down. Oh and he helped give birth to /Lily/... If you knew this guy in real life you wouldnt be asking any one why they dont like him. You would remember the feeling of his fist against your head and kenny saving you from the walker Larry tried to feed you too. Too many players forget they should feel what Lee feels. Not what the omnipresent camera feels.
  • edited April 2013
    I didn't hate Larry he was doing what he thought was needed to protect those already in his group (mainly Lilly).

    I don't see the things he's done too far off from what I, as Lee, and Kenny have done, things they thought necessary to protect someone they care about.

    Sometimes I think he is someone who will act tougher than usual, as he doesn't want to be seen as 'weaker' or someone who needs looking after because of his heart condition.
  • ProfanityProfanity Banned
    edited April 2013
    Is a complete shithead to a convicted murderer, people still sympathize with the convicted murderer just because they're playing as him and they like his face or whatever.

    Oh piss off, how naive can you get.
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    Is a complete shithead to a convicted murderer, people still sympathize with the convicted murderer just because they're playing as him and they like his face or whatever.

    Oh piss off, how naive can you get.

    Are you simply ignoring how Larry is basically "a complete shithead" to other characters when you call others naive?

    Off the top of my head, Larry is a shithead towards Duck, Kenny, Carley, Mark, and Ben.

    He's also a shithead to himself, because Larry knew that throwing his little tantrums would cause his heart attacks, yet he goes ahead and does it anyway in both episodes when he was alive.
  • ProfanityProfanity Banned
    edited April 2013
    double_u wrote: »
    Are you simply ignoring how Larry is basically "a complete shithead" to other characters when you call others naive?

    Off the top of my head, Larry is a shithead towards Duck, Kenny, Carley, Mark, and Ben.

    He's also a shithead to himself, because Larry knew that throwing his little tantrums would cause his heart attacks, yet he goes ahead and does it anyway in both episodes when he was alive.

    He has a shithead attitude, but he only barks as long as the person doesn't deserve anything more. Lee was a killer and he deserved the mistrust, even after he got the pills. That's how killers are, charming until the killing starts.

    Larry could have easily fucked over anyone and everyone, yet he only chose to fuck over Lee. I wouldn't trust Lee in his place either, neither would I want him to tag along.

    Being a shithead is one thing, being a murderer is another. Just because you take control of Lee at this point of his life, doesn't mean his past fuck-ups just go away and getting an old fart some peelz doesn't help change that either. And being on the murderer's side because he's a "cool guy" is what is naive.

    And oh man how useful would this giant be if he had survived.
  • edited April 2013
    Profanity wrote: »
    He has a shithead attitude, but he only barks as long as the person doesn't deserve anything more. Lee was a killer and he deserved the mistrust, even after he got the pills. That's how killers are, charming until the killing starts.

    Larry could have easily fucked over anyone and everyone, yet he only chose to fuck over Lee. I wouldn't trust Lee in his place either, neither would I want him to tag along.

    Being a shithead is one thing, being a murderer is another. Just because you take control of Lee at this point of his life, doesn't mean his past fuck-ups just go away and getting an old fart some peelz doesn't help change that either. And being on the murderer's side because he's a "cool guy" is what is naive.

    And oh man how useful would this giant be if he had survived.

    Doesn't really explain his attitude toward everyone else. He's an asshole to Duck, to Mark, To Kenny, to Carley, and even to his own daughter sometimes. I guess as long as he spreads the hate around evenly, he's fine by you? If being a murderer is the worst sin of all, Larry is no different because he tries to kill Lee at the end of episode 1. Oh yeah, he also tries to murder a CHILD in the very same episode 1. Unless you treat murder differently if it occurs after the apocalypse, in which case you are the naive one.

    No one favorites Lee because we play as him, it's because of his actions. He always chooses the get the pills for Larry, regardless of how much we hate him. If we played as another character and Lee(as an NPC) did all the same stuff he did if we controlled, people would still like him better than Larry.

    That big guy who has a heart attack at the slightest rise in tension would be very useful, indeed.
  • ProfanityProfanity Banned
    edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    Doesn't really explain his attitude toward everyone else. He's an asshole to Duck, to Mark, To Kenny, to Carley, and even to his own daughter sometimes. I guess as long as he spreads the hate around evenly, he's fine by you? If being a murderer is the worst sin of all, Larry is no different because he tries to kill Lee at the end of episode 1. Oh yeah, he also tries to murder a CHILD in the very same episode 1. Unless you treat murder differently if it occurs after the apocalypse, in which case you are the naive one.

    No one favorites Lee because we play as him, it's because of his actions. He always chooses the get the pills for Larry, regardless of how much we hate him. If we played as another character and Lee(as an NPC) did all the same stuff he did if we controlled, people would still like him better than Larry.

    That big guy who has a heart attack at the slightest rise in tension would be very useful, indeed.
    He's fine by me because he's a lumbering giant that looks out for the group and is actually useful, unlike half of the cast that everyone loves. Yeah, he shouts a lot, couldn't give a lesser fuck. And Larry is different, we're not talking about sins here and which one is the worst. You don't take your chances with a murderer unless you got nothing to lose, he had something to lose. And Lee was less innocent than your usual person. Murder is not a constant and it's not equal and these murders wouldn't have been equal either. Not to mention that killing an already established killer as a method of self-preservation is a very justifiable cause. We see the good in Lee because we're controlling him now and we know we'll make him behave, Larry doesn't know that. A bloody apocalypse already happened, now he's gonna hang around and let other people hang around a convicted murderer? No, fuck that. He'd be a shitty wuss of a father if he didn't even try put up a fight against Lee.

    And he doesn't actually physically do anything to Duck. He shouts a lot, yeah, he's scared as fuck. A kid has already turned on him, but he doesn't throw him out. And he could have, he could have knocked out anyone in that room and thrown them out, but he didn't. He's all shouty shouty and that's where it ends. If he wanted Duck dead, we wouldn't have a kid to shoot later on in the game.

    Besides, didn't you by ep 2 realize that his douche attitude is a self-defense mechanism?

    Anyway, as I said, getting the pills for Larry hardly makes up for anything at all.

    EDIT: And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Larry is the angel of TWD, it's just he's being given a lot of shit he doesn't deserve.
  • edited April 2013
    Well there's no denying he's a straight up asshole most of the time, but his attitude towards Lee is justified, at least in the beginning. After he got the pills, I'd say that guy has proven himself to be an okay guy, but remember: a murderer, is usually someone, who has - fully aware of the consequences - murdered someone cold-bloded, and someone who is able to do that once, might be able to do it again, even if they seem to be alright, they might just snap back to their attitude in the heat of the moment, killing someone. Now Larry couldn't know Lee accidentally killed the state senator, the only intel he had on that guy was "murderer." I do understand why he does what he does, it is his daughter, that is around this guy, and for all he knows this guy has killed before.

    His attitude towards the rest of the people, is only partly understandable, telling Carley and Lilly to shut (the fuck) up, was neccesarry, because they were arguing, when they shouldn't, there was clearly something going on outside, and from what they knew it could have been anything from the military to crazy rapist bandits.
    Then again, his attitude towards Mark, Kenny and the cruel bullshit he says when they argue about tossing out Duck (Little boy, before you eat your mommy, you can watch your dad get his nose broken) - seriously, what an asshole... it's just pointless, stupid and rude. I just think he sees the worst in people, which is an issue he has, maybe because of his wife's death, maybe he was always like this, which is more likely.

    That makes him an asshole in my book, but I partly understand the man, I try to keep an open mind about people, as much as I can at least.
  • edited April 2013
    He tries to kill you in the drugstore and wants you out of the group and he thinks you are putting everybody in danger because of your past and is also constantly fighting with you and insulting you.
    BETTER GIVE THIS OLD CHAP A SECOND CHANCE!
    If he didn't try to kill me in the drugstore i could forgive him

    Anyway... anybody who attempts to kill me has no place in my book.
  • edited April 2013
    Virtumonde wrote: »
    Anyway... anybody who attempts to kill me has no place in my book.

    The best way to get rid of a murderer is to become one yourself, but don't worry. It's the apocalypse, so all will be forgiven for Larry. :mad:

    The only reason he doesn't kill Lee outright is because he wants to save face with the rest of the group. With how cruel he is to the general populace already, killing someone who has been nothing but beneficial to the group could have serious ramifications, so he hoped to do the deed in silence.
  • edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    The best way to get rid of a murderer is to become one yourself, but don't worry. It's the apocalypse, so all will be forgiven for Larry. :mad:

    The only reason he doesn't kill Lee outright is because he wants to save face with the rest of the group. With how cruel he is to the general populace already, killing someone who has been nothing but beneficial to the group could have serious ramifications, so he hoped to do the deed in silence.

    How do you define murder? Serious question, because the standard definition is an illegal killing of one person by another; by that definition, Larry couldn't really commit murder post-apocalypse for the simple reason that an illegal act requires actual you know, law. :p

    The fact is that both Lee and even Duck were arguably imminent threats from Larry's perspective. He never even actually attempts to kill Duck (he talks about it, but that's as far as it goes). Lee's a convicted murderer that somehow isn't behind bars (and it's hardly uncommon to hear "oh, he was such a nice, polite fellow..." when it comes to murderers).
  • edited April 2013
    Rommel49 wrote: »
    How do you define murder? Serious question, because the standard definition is an illegal killing of one person by another; by that definition, Larry couldn't really commit murder post-apocalypse for the simple reason that an illegal act requires actual you know, law. :p

    The fact is that both Lee and even Duck were arguably imminent threats from Larry's perspective. He never even actually attempts to kill Duck (he talks about it, but that's as far as it goes). Lee's a convicted murderer that somehow isn't behind bars (and it's hardly uncommon to hear "oh, he was such a nice, polite fellow..." when it comes to murderers).

    Well, regardless of whether laws exist anymore or not, you can pretty much guarantee you'll be thrown out of nearly every group you come into contact with if you just kill people left and right. It's understandable if you have a good reason, but just because you think you have a good reason, doesn't mean anyone else does. You may as well join the bandits.

    I'm betting Larry didn't kill Duck in the drugstore for the same reason as Lee, to save face. Everyone(excepting maybe Lilly)'s opinion of Larry would no doubt drop to an extreme low if he smashed a child's head in without checking to see if was actually bitten, so he made the smart choice and tried to get rid of him through reason.
  • edited April 2013
    The reason Larry didn't get the chance to kill Duck was because of the walker in the bathroom grabbing everyone's attention and Kenny(and Lee) keeping the guy away.

    I can't say Larry shouldn't have distrusted Lee, but come on, no matter how nice you are to him and how much good you do for the group he is still a dick to you. Well... and everyone else. He isn't a big help, for in case you didn't notice, during the worst of situations he was out cold or unable to act on the floor. Also, just throwing out there, the man is a huge pile of muscle, and to keep up a physique like that over months of time, he must be keeping well-fed(or the writers forgot about malnutrition). I believe it implies Lilly sneaking extra rations to him. Either way, he may provide an extra hand at the motel, but he really didn't do much. He didn't go out for supplies, nor go on watch. He was a "handyman" that was only moderately handy.

    My hate goes to him yelling and screaming in front of young children, trying to kill Lee, threatening to kill Lee, Carley, Kenny, etc. , trying to kill Duck, wanting to leave the group outside for the walkers, arguing with Lee about the meat at Saint Johns and then getting pissed he didn't stop him, and just being an outright dick to those around him. He could easily turn a bad situation into something worse, and basically even in death he causes tension and anger.

    I just don't like that guy. I tried saving him in my true playthrough though.
  • edited April 2013
    Larry's an asshole. He hates anyone who isn't related to him, with the exception of those "nice folks" that turned out to be cannibals. Hoo boy. I can understand not trusting Lee, I wouldn't either in his place, but he's a straight up jerkass toward everyone else.

    "Hey, little boy, before you eat your mommy, you get to see your dad get his nose broken!" That's Larry tormenting Duck. He also cals him a "snot nosed toddler" right in front of him and his parents. The man is practically torturing a 10 year old child, right in front of his parents to boot. That's what made me hate Larry. Seems kind of hard to justify putting a child through that.
  • edited April 2013
    I think of him simply as a grade A motherfucking asshole.
    Well, I was too timid to go there, but.... yeah! Pretty much!
  • edited April 2013
    He's an a hole but I respect him and decisons regarding lee
  • edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    Well, regardless of whether laws exist anymore or not, you can pretty much guarantee you'll be thrown out of nearly every group you come into contact with if you just kill people left and right. It's understandable if you have a good reason, but just because you think you have a good reason, doesn't mean anyone else does. You may as well join the bandits.

    I'm betting Larry didn't kill Duck in the drugstore for the same reason as Lee, to save face. Everyone(excepting maybe Lilly)'s opinion of Larry would no doubt drop to an extreme low if he smashed a child's head in without checking to see if was actually bitten, so he made the smart choice and tried to get rid of him through reason.

    I didn't hear an answer as to how you objectively define murder. If you define it as simply killing somebody without "good reason" (which is meaningless, since it's subjective as all hell), damn near everyone in the group qualifies. Kenny kills Larry (potentially with Lee's help), Lee himself potentially kills a defenseless Andy and/or Danny, either stands by and allows a woman to get eaten (or shoots her himself, which is ironically the "good" act of the two choices), shoots a fleeing bandit, etc.

    Don't get misunderstand, I'm not saying that any of those are necessarily wrong; fact is though, by comparison, Larry's hands are pretty damn bloodless. Hell, he even balks at the idea of taking the dairy by force (even if he was mistaken about the St. Johns being "good people"). Despite being Lee's staunchest supporter, even Carley basically says that Lee's past could cause problems with the group and doesn't even suggest mentioning it until after he's been with the group for literally months.
  • ProfanityProfanity Banned
    edited April 2013
    So apparently now killers are character of the year if they're sweet about it and therefore gain instant justification. We'll say they don't, but we'll all secretly think so and love them even more!
  • edited April 2013
    Rommel49 wrote: »
    I didn't hear an answer as to how you objectively define murder. If you define it as simply killing somebody without "good reason" (which is meaningless, since it's subjective as all hell), damn near everyone in the group qualifies. Kenny kills Larry (potentially with Lee's help), Lee himself potentially kills a defenseless Andy and/or Danny, either stands by and allows a woman to get eaten (or shoots her himself, which is ironically the "good" act of the two choices), shoots a fleeing bandit, etc.

    Don't get misunderstand, I'm not saying that any of those are necessarily wrong; fact is though, by comparison, Larry's hands are pretty damn bloodless. Hell, he even balks at the idea of taking the dairy by force (even if he was mistaken about the St. Johns being "good people"). Despite being Lee's staunchest supporter, even Carley basically says that Lee's past could cause problems with the group and doesn't even suggest mentioning it until after he's been with the group for literally months.

    Indeed, it's all up to the individual. If the majority of people in your group decide that your murder was unjustified or unreasonable, you're in trouble, regardless of what you personally think.

    I think most of the group in episode 1(or 2) would have gone against Larry if he killed Lee or Duck, even if Larry(and Lilly) thought it was justified. Admittedly most of the group doesn't know about Lee's past during the first episode, but in the second I bet most of the group would side with Lee even after knowing about his past.

    How i define murder, is simply when you kill someone. If it's necessary to stop an enemy from harming the group, so be it. If the rest of the group disagrees with me and throws me to the curb...so be it.
  • edited April 2013
    I only wish I could have told kenny to hold lily while I caved his head in myself.
  • edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    Indeed, it's all up to the individual. If the majority of people in your group decide that your murder was unjustified or unreasonable, you're in trouble, regardless of what you personally think.

    I think most of the group in episode 1(or 2) would have gone against Larry if he killed Lee or Duck, even if Larry(and Lilly) thought it was justified. Admittedly most of the group doesn't know about Lee's past during the first episode, but in the second I bet most of the group would side with Lee even after knowing about his past.

    How i define murder, is simply when you kill someone. If it's necessary to stop an enemy from harming the group, so be it. If the rest of the group disagrees with me and throws me to the curb...so be it.

    Appeal to popularity, you're basically arguing for might makes right. That's hardly a moral (or logically coherent) stance to take. Particularly since it provides an incentive to just copycat any number of dictators throughout history and simply kill the people who disagree with you whenever it might be convenient, afterall, the dead don't get a vote (except in U.S. elections).

    Some things are objectively right and wrong; the bandits as a whole didn't seem to disagree with the idea of raping kids, just because the inmates were running the asylum in that case didn't make them right.

    And by your definition, about half of the entire group are murderers. It's ridiculously vague to the point that Kenny, Lilly, Lee, Carley, Doug, and potentially even Clementine all qualify. Katjaa arguably qualifies even though she killed herself (which counts as "someone"). Duck, Chuck, Mark, Christa, Omid, Ben and Larry are the only characters we know of that never killed somebody and atleast one of them (I'm looking at you, Ben) obviously has blood on his hands.
  • edited April 2013
    Because he sucks, that's why.
  • edited April 2013
    Rommel49 wrote: »
    Appeal to popularity, you're basically arguing for might makes right. That's hardly a moral (or logically coherent) stance to take. Particularly since it provides an incentive to just copycat any number of dictators throughout history and simply kill the people who disagree with you whenever it might be convenient, afterall, the dead don't get a vote (except in U.S. elections).

    Some things are objectively right and wrong; the bandits as a whole didn't seem to disagree with the idea of raping kids, just because the inmates were running the asylum in that case didn't make them right.

    And by your definition, about half of the entire group are murderers. It's ridiculously vague to the point that Kenny, Lilly, Lee, Carley, Doug, and potentially even Clementine all qualify. Katjaa arguably qualifies even though she killed herself (which counts as "someone"). Duck, Chuck, Mark, Christa, Omid, Ben and Larry are the only characters we know of that never killed somebody and atleast one of them (I'm looking at you, Ben) obviously has blood on his hands.

    I'm not saying one should bow down to what everyone else thinks, but we're talking about a zombie apocalypse here. You either do what say(barring certain extremes), or risk significantly increased chance of death surviving alone(or until you find a different group). If Ben demanded that Carley/Doug be thrown out of the group because he didn't trust them, and tried to do so forcefully, he'd probably be out on the streets and dead by episode 3.

    And yes, they are all murderers. That doesn't make them bad people, but it's something you may have to do to survive in a widespread apocalyptic event, like it or not.
  • edited April 2013
    My Clemmy's a murderer :S
  • edited April 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    I'm saying one should bow down to what everyone else thinks, but we're talking about a zombie apocalypse here. You either do what say(barring certain extremes), or risk significantly increased chance of death surviving alone(or until you find a different group). If Ben demanded that Carley/Doug be thrown out of the group because he didn't trust them, and tried to do so forcefully, he'd probably be out on the streets and dead by episode 3.

    And yes, they are all murderers. That doesn't make them bad people, but it's something you may have to do to survive in a widespread apocalyptic event, like it or not.

    To reiterate, that viewpoint doesn't make sense logically, or morally at the end of the day - it just incentives killing off anyone else who might disagree while they sleep. By your own admission, you're saying you should bow down to guys like Stalin (who pointedly purged people who disagreed with him). Hell, the average approval rating of the world's worst dictatorships at the time of their inception tended to average around 80 - 90% (incidentally, this is why countries like the U.S. tend to go out of their way to protect the rights of the minority).

    And you said in this very thread "murder" shouldn't be treated differently depending on its circumstances, e.g. whether it occurred pre-or-post apocalypse. So then why should other circumstances matter? If I assassinate all the people who might disagree with my iron-fisted rule by poisoning their water or ventilating them from a few hundred yards, it'd be just as kosher as self-defense? If not, why? Hell, by your standard, you're basically admitting Larry's a more innocent person than Clementine, nevermind Lee.

    Incidentally, this is why nobody in a position of authority (or with common sense) uses your definition of "murder" it's vague to the point that the word literally loses meaning and why killing somebody is separated into catergories like self-defense, manslaughter, and then murder.
  • edited July 2013
    Okay ill tell you why I hate Larry.

    1. he tried to kill Lee
    2. he accused Duck of being bitten, which pissed me off because I was on Kenny's side
    3. he's racist
    4. he's rude as hell
    I could name lots more.
    I know that he was just trying to protect Lilly, but he didn't have to be an asshole to everyone else.
  • edited July 2013
    Rommel49 you don't need a law against murder for it to be murder, there doesn't need to be strict dictionary/legal definition of anything for it to be morally wrong, if Lee had died at the pharmacy because larry knocked him out to be eaten by zombies, it would be wrong, it doesn't matter how you define it whether you call it murder, ZAmurder or splerge, it doesn't matter, but for convenience sake (easy to understand) it would be called murder
  • edited July 2013
    Lol all your base are belong to us
  • edited July 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    Larry's an asshole. He hates anyone who isn't related to him, with the exception of those "nice folks" that turned out to be cannibals. Hoo boy. I can understand not trusting Lee, I wouldn't either in his place, but he's a straight up jerkass toward everyone else.

    "Hey, little boy, before you eat your mommy, you get to see your dad get his nose broken!" That's Larry tormenting Duck. He also cals him a "snot nosed toddler" right in front of him and his parents. The man is practically torturing a 10 year old child, right in front of his parents to boot. That's what made me hate Larry. Seems kind of hard to justify putting a child through that.

    This.


    He had the old cool point though. One being that he kinda looks like a severely exaggerated George. C. Scott.

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  • edited July 2013
    Mornai wrote: »
    Indeed, it's all up to the individual. If the majority of people in your group decide that your murder was unjustified or unreasonable, you're in trouble, regardless of what you personally think.

    I think most of the group in episode 1(or 2) would have gone against Larry if he killed Lee or Duck, even if Larry(and Lilly) thought it was justified. Admittedly most of the group doesn't know about Lee's past during the first episode, but in the second I bet most of the group would side with Lee even after knowing about his past.

    How i define murder, is simply when you kill someone. If it's necessary to stop an enemy from harming the group, so be it. If the rest of the group disagrees with me and throws me to the curb...so be it.
    I don't know. I think there is more to the definition of murder than just killing someone. For instance voluntary manslaughter is defined as an incident that "occurs when one person intends to kill another but does so suddenly and as a result of great personal distress. The Wrongdoer must have become very upset before the killing." (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manslaughter) Which is partly why I am sympathetic towards Lilly since she definitely fits the criteria for a voluntary manslaughter case, as does Lee even if he was convicted for murder, but that's for another thread.
  • edited July 2013
    Rommel49 you don't need a law against murder for it to be murder, there doesn't need to be strict dictionary/legal definition of anything for it to be morally wrong, if Lee had died at the pharmacy because larry knocked him out to be eaten by zombies, it would be wrong, it doesn't matter how you define it whether you call it murder, ZAmurder or splerge, it doesn't matter, but for convenience sake (easy to understand) it would be called murder
    Apart from when manslaughter is a factor of course. Killing someone, for instance "suddenly and as a result of great personal distress"(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manslaughter) wouldn't necessarily be judged as immoral in a court of law. This case study is a good example; “A dad's son was kidnapped and murdered. The kidnapper was caught and confessed. The dad saw the kidnapper the next day in an interview and in sudden rage, the dad grabbed a revolver from a nearby officer and killed the kidnapper. The dad was charged with voluntary manslaughter." (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manslaughter) I know who and what I thought of when I read that case study. The infamous Lilly road side scene.
  • edited July 2013
    Story time gather round.
    I didn't hate Larry, he kept Lee's secret mostly, I even tried to be nice to the dude but no cigar even with charm coming out of his ass he was still a jerk to Lee. I always thought "If I have to choose between you or anyone else in the group you're walker bait." and that's how Larry met his friend the salt lick. The end.
  • edited July 2013
    Great story, I felt like I was there.
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