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Issues with nudity (episode 2)

posted by Neoncloudff on - last edited by Vainamoinen - Viewed by 55.6K users

Hi Telltale. I loved the first episode of TWAU. It's truly inspiring, exciting, and very original.

I loved everything about it until the second episode trailer, when some female nudity was seen outside an area. I think that nudity is an easy way to earn a mature rating, and I feel like it's unnecessary. The game is dark and smart without being obscene and blatantly immature. That is what I loved about your many series. But having nudity for the sake of nudity seems immature and pointless (much like GTAV or others) to character development or story. Please, will you consider keeping everything clothed? Maybe that content was before a final build (since it's rate mature for only partial nudity)?

I just love this dark fantasy world and I want it, in my mind, to stay as smart and truly entertaining as possible. Thanks for your input everyone, and telltale!

  • There is nothing wrong with Nudity and there is nothing immature about having nudity. You do not even know the context, so how can you say it's immature?

    And going by the trailer for episode two, there isn't any full on nudity anyway. What are you talking about?

    • It's after you complete the episode and the trailer comes up for "next time on." I didn't say it was immature, just silly to have it for the sake of earning a mature rating. If there is no point to it, doesn't build the world, change characters, develop the story, then it's just there for the sake of earning a mature rating.

      I don't know the context, but it's also not that hard to put clothes on a character model. Especially since this is a linear narrative game, being forced into the content seems unfair. I sure hope it's minimal.

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      +1 to bullseye ;)

      Also.. How is nudity in of itself immature? Everyone look away! I'm going to be immature and have a shower :P

      Nudity is only immature if it is made immature from the "context" of a given scene :) And you can quote me on that - Cheers ;)

  • Well its only logical considering Bigby goes to a pimp house in this. That's what it would be like. Its not there for the sake of being there. Its there because that's how it is.

  • I just hope that it treats it maturely enough, without flaunting it like crazy. I'm okay with that. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

  • So a game becomes immature if a pair of boobs get shown on the screen?

    But i'll give you this with the games current graphics and artsyle a full nude scene can look kinda weird lol, guess we will have to wait and see.

    • I guess it really depends on how much there is. If it's a ridiculous level (GTA V) then it just would feel there to be there for the pervs. If there is a purpose (and only one brief scene) then it could just be building the world (overall creating a sense of depravity of humanity and the lowness of society).

      I love it when games utilize tools that may be controversial to build a world, but I sure hope it is delicately approached (exploitation of women). Human trafficking a serious issue. I'm here for the intense noir murder mystery, not that.

      • If it's then it will be in the rating I think it's a rule that a dlc must fit the rating label and the trailers the the final say as seen in the walking dead

      • Heavy Rain?

        There's definitely more than one little "blip" of nudity. A character strips of all things! But that doesn't take away from the fact that the game is a prime example of great and emotional story-driven games.

  • Well I did not even notice what you were talking about until the third time I played episode 1, so I am going to say its not like they are forcing you to look nowhere else but, its looks low key and in the background.

  • I´m from germany and the situation here is that violence is rated far worse than sexuality, not to mention nudity. The game is dark and smart, as you mentioned. Guess its the social values I was raised with: I really don´t see why sexuality should be more offending than beating the shit out of the woodsman and pocking an axe in his backhead. Not that I vote agains violence in a mature game like twau, but I wouldn´t vote agains nudity or even pornography either. Appart from that you have strong language, a really dystopic enviroment where sympathic people just die and everyone is an asshole, and drug abuse (Wanna have fun? Drink a shot every time someone lights a cigarette in twau ;) ). But thats allright for these kinds of, as mentioned, dystopic games. Thats also why i dont really understand your problems with GTA5. Shooting cops, taking drugs, playing a psychopath... but there is nudity in strip clubs in a game that artfully displays social decay in the modern world. Yeah, GTA5 is ridicolous when it comes to sexuality. When I shoot somebody, do a real harm, no problem. Sometimes theres even a slowmo. But when I fuck somebody with her approval its censored. Thats far more ridicolous in this kind of game. Then again, the game displays american society in a sarcastic way. Under this circumstance the pixeling is somehow funny and legit. But twau doesnt follow that sarcastic way. Its the right place for sexuallity but definitely not the right place for fully clothed strippers. All in all, I´ve got really big troubles understanding the priority that violence and torture in computergames are allright but sexuallity isnt. In my opinion, both are legit in a game from matures for matures if it fitts in the setting.

    • First of all I want to say I'm not bashing America, I've lived in Arizona for the past 8 years and love it, I've have meet many brilliant and amazing people here but the media and a part of the population have a strange warped view towards sex and nudity. When it comes to television and other forms of entertainment extreme violence is much more accepted over anything that might be considered sexually provocative.

      I don't see a problem with having nudity in this series, as long as it's tasteful but I think Telltale has class and would only use it to set up the atmosphere.

    • My main problem with it is that it's exploiting women purely for their sexuality. There aren't any major female roles in GTA V, which would have been interesting. Women in games are often used that way (sex appeal), and that's what I have a problem with. Glorifying it should be something that should be frowned upon (clubs in GTA V). Sexuality is a beautiful, God given thing, but shouldn't be abused as a method to be more "mature."

      (ok, enough about GTA V, I didn't really like the game, just an easy comparison).

      I guess it might be funny for you and other gamers, but to me I think it's just weirdly inappropriate. Gamers are frowned upon in current society, and the last thing we need is a bunch of man babies making the situation worse. I think the violence issue matters in context, though.

      Thanks everyone for the input, I'm curious what some level headed adult gamers have to say.

      • Except the only women that show any "nudity" is the strippers, which makes sense because you are at a strip club and even then they are just topless.

        Considering all the violence in GTA, it weird that you focus on the nudity.

        You are also wrong, there are several major roles in GTA V. Amanda,Patricia Madrazo, Tanisha, to name a few.

      • Is it really inappriopriate to show a half-naked stripper in a mature rated game? People make such big deal over a pair of tits. Calm down.

        Besides, what's wrong with showing sex appeal of women? If men in GTA are showed as criminals, why women can't be shown as sexy.

      • There actually is female characters in GTA several actually. I think telltale knows what they are doing, I think you are also picking on GTA here a bit though parts of it may not send the best message to females. You're leaving out the 80% of females in the game who aren't living in the strip club.

      • Expoloiting women? So if it was a man's junk on screen would you say the same thing? Sorry I just hear this "exploiting women sexually thing" over and over again, u go to a strip club a female one at that and ur bound to see more tits than dicks :/ I also do not get why anyone is up in arms about sexuality when you see someone's head get removed -___- I'm fine with both.

        • I would have to say that sexuality in media can be exploitative, but it isn't always. I think it's a bit silly that people think of pornography as "innately exploitative of women" simply because it shows them having sex. The man who's having sex with her? Naw, he's having sex, men always want to have sex. It's okay to say it about men, but say it about a woman and...

          Frankly, I go back to the context. Fables (the comic on which this is based) is about the old school of fairy tales (which have lots of rather harsh sex and violence moments) and film noir (which has more the same). Seeing that, I think the content is remarkably maturely handled, especially as compared to a lot of the source material (fairy tales and film noir, I mean).

      • Objectifying women is a natural course of things in an industry which target market is generally boys around the age of 18 (mind that that's just my opinion, not a fact)
        You won't probably see a "non-model" man in a women's TV show either, unless he's supposed to be laughed at to some level.

        While I agree having a pair of boobs flash at you just for the sake of the boobflashing can be pretty lame, we can't pretend it's not a part of real world either and cut it out forcefully by, say, having a hooker wear casual clothes.

        tl;dr - when it fits the world I have no problem lying my eyes on a pair of tits.

      • I say this. I didn't like the strip club but it fits... Look the story becomes darker and darker and the tell you why they take this kind of jobs and last thing, you don't get far with this discussion because this happens almost in all 18+ games and online games. Go tell all the other game companies that ''Sex is a gift of are Lord don't yous it in a Game

    • edited because I replied to the wrong person. Sorry about that.

    • Well said, friend. I understand where you're coming from. If done tastefully, I have no issue with nudity. I don't know what it is with our attitudes here in the states(I'm guilty of this kneejerk reaction myself at times) where it's seen as ok to be extremely violent in a game but get a strange uneasy feeling in our guts when something that I believe to be private on display in a game. It's a type of weird disconnect between knowing which is worse versus some unknown emotional kneejerk reaction. I can be watching a movie that has gun violence with my girls, but the second someone comes on scene that is showing any unmentionables I start feeling really strange and uncomfortable because they are in the room with me. I'm guessing that it has something to do with our puritanical upbringing(please don't take this as any type of slight as none is intended in any way). It's a funny society we live in.

      • I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from. It is a weird disconnect. I trust telltale to handle this maturely!

      • @ Daft-Gamer: That has to do with u being in the room with ur girls or vis versa, its also about the upbringing, not saying uv done bad or anything just honestly if they already were educated on sex they shouldn't be offended if thats what pops on screen given their age and how much they can take in info wise at once, and i never understood personally why nudity was a big deal even for parents to guard kids from, i mean they are naked when they take off their clothing after all :/ They know what everything looks like specially if they have sisters their age as children....

    • I so agree with everything you stated. Being from another country, you aren't running around with blinders on, so everything is blatantly transparent whereas people here seem to glaze over. One of our problems is "religion" was given too much "muscle" way back when, and dictated what "it/they" felt "we" should see in general, with many citing "such and such is inappropriate for children" etc. Nowadays, they still have some pull, but what you see most is comments like the thread starter where "breasts" bother him, but he doesn't think twice about the violence. The same people who will shout at full scream about nudity being offensive are the ones often hiding something. Seems the louder they yell, the more they are hiding. That's what our society has become. We have ONE pre-wired goal in life, and that's to reproduce, which obviously means sex, yet so many parents, typically due to their "religious" upbringing, refuse to teach their kids anything about it and condemn even thinking about it as "unpure" or some other garbage, despite it being imperative to humans surviving LOL. You can literally turn on the TV during prime time here and at least one show per hour, per day will have a violent murder and NO ONE complains. But get a woman's nipple on at 8 o'clock and millions of weirdos will boycott the station, advertisers will get pressured to drop their commercials, people will be rioting in the streets flipping news vans over and stoning reporters from the TV station (just kidding about the rioting, but it's practically that insane). But Google "breast" and anyone, any age can get their fills worth. And you want to hear of even more insanity with our double standards and backwards thinking? "Indigenous" woman CAN be shown 100% topless showing full breasts and nipples during a kids show (not complaining) (we have something called "E/I" which stands for "Educational Informational" programming aimed exclusively at children as a requirement for TV stations mandating a certain amount of time is dedicated to educational programs) and nobody bats an eye. I just saw this on a recent children's show at 11am on a Saturday teaching about wild animals and they used a clip with native island women dancing topless. Thought I was seeing things at 1st as it was really brief, but they showed the clip a 2nd time about 5 minutes later. Personally, I love breasts. I haven't been a child for MANY years and don't get embarrassed when I see a nice pair (they mesmerized me as kid :). When I play a "MATURE" game, I expect it to be such. I grew up watching Smurfs, Gummi Bears, etc. and don't wish to ever be subjected to that sort of "childish entertainment" again in my 30's unless it's for nostalgic reasons. Very astute point about "fully clothed strippers". Since the internet is still relatively new, with children who were born when it started taking off are just now getting into their teens, once they are in their 30's-40's and running everything, I think we'll finally see some more relaxed stances on nudity and sexuality in general mainstream programming. But for now, women still aren't even truly "equal" here. A woman going topless in public will get arrested. An overweight guy with 46" "b" cups hanging out and nobody thinks twice. I can go on and on......

  • "I´m from germany and the situation here is that violence is rated far worse than sexuality, not to mention nudity. "

    As it should be. You see things like this all the time on IMDB message boards. Someone'll post about Saw or something with "Is there nudity in this?" like they're concerned by the possibility, but apparently completely at ease with horrific violence.

    • You might be missing the point here though I agree with your statement in certain contexts. I think they "WANT" nudity in it and are confirming, or trying to gauge how much is actually shown. I just look in the IMDB advisory. Sometimes a movie I'd probably pass on otherwise ends up having a ton of nudity, so I'll go ahead and watch it :) But if a movie has a breast getting looped off in horrific detail, that might be a good reason for somebody to pass on it, though there really haven't been movies like that since the 70's.

  • It truly amazes me the things people get bothered by. Its a mature game so nothing should be off limits.

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