Episode 2 release date discussion- No word from TTG on the subject of release date so far.

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  • Thats not really a good way to work from a storyline POV. I could understand it from a gameplay POV.

    tbm1986 posted: »

    Then how would they change the direction slightly to include/change/remove a few aspects according to feedback? Most companies take feedback into account for sequels but have to accept the canon they've created. I'm glad Telltale isn't like that.

  • I didn't play any of the walking dead games until the season was complete, as well. I should have done the same with this game. But producing the games "one off" one after the other is really the way they work then i can see why their games tend to errors and bugs in them. Its a haphazard way to work, IMO.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    They should have had the product (in this case The Wolf Among Us) at least 90% complete before they even released the first episode.

  • Regardless of what you think of the games that Telltale produces, it's hard to dispute that they really are not good when it comes to interacting with their customers. The majority of the angst on the boards would be addressed by a few simple status updates:

    • We're working on voiceovers at the moment; it usually takes around 3 weeks to complete an episode from here.
    • The episode is feature-complete and we're playtesting. It should be ready for submission to our content partners in a week or so.
    • Sorry guys, we found a couple of game-breaking bugs. We'll keep you posted.
    • We've submitted the game to our partners. It usually takes around a week for approval.

    How hard would that be? It's understandable that there are delays in game production, and it's understandable that Telltale want to get the game just right before releasing it. I'd like to think that the majority of us here are mature enough to get that, and that we're happy to keep waiting as long as we know why we're waiting. If it's because Telltale think they'll get negative PR by admitting they have problems, then I would argue the opposite: the seemingly long delay for TWD S2 and episode 2 of TWAU has generated a lot of negative PR, but only because the customer base is getting frustrated by the lack of updates. I'd actually have much more respect for the company if they were to be up-front about what's going on.

  • Well, the point of the episodic format Telltale takes with their games is for the purpose of molding each episode based on feedback from the previous one. If they were going to have each episode totally completed before the next one was even released, that'd sort of defeat the purpose of having it be an episodic game. I get your frustration, but it's sort of the name of the game. You might have been better off waiting until all five episodes were released before playing.

    Same here. We may be just lazy customers/players who sit on our asses waiting for the games while Telltale works, but we're still

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    that would defeat the purpose of the episodic model. They want to adapt to gamer feedback.

    Same here. We may be just lazy customers/players who sit on our asses waiting for the games while Telltale works, but we're still

  • This is pretty much it. I don't care so much about delays, per se; I'd certainly rather have a completed game a week or two from now than a buggy game today.

    What bugs me is the lack of communication. I don't know why the game is delayed, or for how long, or if this is what we should expect in the future. All we've got is the same hazy 'coming soon!' we've had ever since the release of Episode 1, and now an unofficial confirmation that no, it won't be in November. I'd rather know something so I can manage my expectations one way or the other. I just don't like how frustratingly silent Telltale is in between releases.

    xyphic posted: »

    Regardless of what you think of the games that Telltale produces, it's hard to dispute that they really are not good when it comes t

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    We know that we're going to get an update on the games after Thanksgiving, I believe. At least some news anyway, according to a Facebook post. Hopefully it won't be too long because of that or we at least have a ballpark date.

    Regardless, I get the angst about The Wolf Among Us. Especially considering the last we'd heard, they said they were working on episode 3 and 4 of the season. I'd taken that to mean episode 2 was practically done.

    What I don't get though is the angst about The Walking Dead. They said they were going to release it before the beginning of next year. They've not gone past a date or anything.

    I do get not wanting to give release dates etc. though. I'm a writer myself and I abandon too many projects, so I don't like talking about works in progress. Or I rework them so much. I know that I recently abandoned a project that I had 15,000 words completed for, in rough form, of which that was around the 8th attempt to get the story right. It's going to be interesting really, because I have plans to release a weekly, episodic story on my blog for free with a view to selling it later once it's complete.

    So, I do get the reasons they don't like giving out info, especially if there really is a lot of work done on each episode right up until release (between installments). I know that I feel bad for people who like my writing too, what few they are as I'm an unknown, but I'd rather keep them in the dark than disappoint them, even if it potentially costs me readers, though they can at least contact me on various sites.

    Anyway, don't know if my thoughts were of interest to anyone, but that's my perspective for what it's worth, from someone who gets why they might withhold info. Of course, withholding info also has its cons as people wonder what's happening. It's a double-edged sword really.

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    As much as I respect Telltale and enjoy their games,I sometimes feel like they hide behind the "coming soon" statement.For example,when they said that there were going to be some important news about TWD season 2 during October,they only posted it the very last day having us wait all month and all along we were being told that it was going to come soon.They always wait until the last moment to give us only a little info.As their customer,I would prefer them to give us a real date and stick to it instead of letting us in doubt and delaying it constantly.And I wish they would keep us updated on what is really going on.If the whole season is going to have its episodes delayed like that I'd rather wait until they're all released.And again,I know that it's just a game and that it's not the end of the world.We have other games to play and other things to do in our lives but I think we all would have prefered to have episode two this month and the other episodes released regularly.And I have nothing against Telltale ,but as customers,it is important I believe to let them know how we feel because if we don't,things are never going to change.

    xyphic posted: »

    Regardless of what you think of the games that Telltale produces, it's hard to dispute that they really are not good when it comes t

  • Don't understand why this comment got 3 thumbs down. It's all very fair and yes it is entirely the consumers choice as to whether they buy episodically, buy a season pass, or don't buy at all. Bit daft to complain at how Telltale do things when it IS plain to see :\ I mean they don't lie to you n say 'we'll give you 5 episodes at once' do they? lol

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    They should have had the product (in this case The Wolf Among Us) at least 90% complete before they even released the first episode.

  • For example,when they said that there were going to be some important news about TWD season 2 during October,they only posted it the very last day having us wait all month

    To actually be fair,

    • the announcement of the announcement was mid month, so technically, we didn't wait 'all month' for it.
    • the announcement was on October 29th; had they waited until 'the very last day', it would have been October 31st.

    As their customer,I would prefer them to give us a real date and stick to it instead of letting us in doubt and delaying it constantly.

    As was stated before, they can't give concrete dates, because they only know concrete dates some days before release. This is not your ordinary three years in development Electronic Arts game, where release dates are essentially set in stone when the owner of the DVD printing press sets the deadline.

    As for delays, you really can't say 'constantly' here. TWD still has the same release window it had an entire year ago; and TWaU isn't even technically delayed - as the official FAQ speaks of a 'periodical' release. But I do agree that leaving customers in doubt over the time frame they have in mind even seven weeks after episode 1 of TWaU isn't nice, particularly not in light of the promise made more than a year ago that communication policies would undergo a massive change for the better after the two month radio silence between ep 1 and ep 2 of TWD Season 1.

    Mary5 posted: »

    As much as I respect Telltale and enjoy their games,I sometimes feel like they hide behind the "coming soon" statement.For example,w

  • But it says that they finished working on episode 2.

    Some time ago.

    The only reason I can see for the delay is waiting for TWD season 2 to be released.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    For example,when they said that there were going to be some important news about TWD season 2 during October,they only posted it the

  • But it says that they finished working on episode 2.

    Some writers did, yes. But that didn't mean that the episode is finished as well.

    The only reason I can see for the delay is waiting for TWD season 2 to be released.

    That doesn't make sense, sorry. If an episode is finished and approved, it goes out the release door immediately.

    Flog61 posted: »

    But it says that they finished working on episode 2. Some time ago. The only reason I can see for the delay is waiting for TWD season 2 to be released.

  • I would expect to hear something in the next couple of days maybe even a release date. Leaving it till December for TWAU wouldn't have me throwing praise towards TTG.

    I understand the massive amount of work they put into the story and the way the game plays out but it does feel like a long wait and not the sort "Oh it feels like the days are dragging because it was so good" just generally a long wait.

    I've been keeping my cool and I still am. But if they do leave it this long I will be more disappointed than angry.

    But that is if they release in December even if it is the last day of November I will still be on good terms with TTG. I'll still buy their damn games anyway.

    But I will say this. With TWD being a new ball game for TTG they were ironing out kinks they had with development and release. They admitted they need to make work flow quicker so they could get the same quality and get the product out the door to customers but it seems they are still struggling with that.

  • I would hope that none of the above would affect TT's schedule. For the comic writer to say the game could easily be canon, he will have had to see most (if not all) of the script, which means the direction etc. has already been nailed down. If he left the scene for a month or two, I really don't think that would be a problem.

    Seraphim posted: »

    I do wonder three things... The first of which is whether or not the delay is simply because they want to push the release date c

  • i think there waiting for the buzz to die down from the new consoles so in a week or so we should have episode 2

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    Good to know:) As a long time Bioshock fan, I have a hard time knowing, what I like most TTG games or Bioshock games. Bioshock has better quality gaming, and the gameplay are very fun. However TTG release more frekvently, and they deliver a story, there is just about as good as the Bioshock story. And the story is the most important part to me.

    Conclusion TTG and Irrational should make a game together:)

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    Yeah, I noticed. Then again, I'm spending more than enough time playing games already, maybe it's not too bad that the industry pre

  • I really doubt this is reliable, but as the other games are out now (I think) . . .

    http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/week-video-games-68/

    Just don't get your hopes up that it'll be released this week/tomorrow. We've heard nothing from Telltale Games. And I'm not even sure why I'm posting it really, as it'll likely just serve to wile people up with, in my opinion, being false.

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    I would like to believe this but it's impossible because Telltale previously confirmed that no game will be released next week,we'll have to wait until December for both TWD and TWAU to come out.And I bet it will be mid-December or late December as they apparently still need to work a lot on episode 2 (because if it wasn't the case it would have already been released).But what could explain the fact that this site (and IGN as well) said it would come out this month is perhaps because it is what Telltale had initially planned but they must have had a problem of some sort and thus we got nothing.I'm sure those dates are going to be updated in the next few days.

    Rob_K posted: »

    I really doubt this is reliable, but as the other games are out now (I think) . . . http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/week-video-

  • It's because those sites are just guessing/hoping as well, but the truth is that no one knows for sure.

    Mary5 posted: »

    I would like to believe this but it's impossible because Telltale previously confirmed that no game will be released next week,we'll

  • IGN makes the best guesses, hence I think early December release. They are more likely to work harder in later episodes rather than early ones. Scriptwriters are already on episodes 3&4. Episode 1 tends to be shorter than 2-last as far as I checked.

    Mary5 posted: »

    I would like to believe this but it's impossible because Telltale previously confirmed that no game will be released next week,we'll

  • Doesn't make much sense since TTG isn't competing with consoles nor are they competing with other video game titles. The closest thing I could say they are competing against is Quantic Dream's Beyond Two Souls which was released ages ago and still they are very different games.

    The popularity of consoles doesn't make any sense. I'm sure a guy who can afford a £350 or £400 console can surely spend another £17 on this game. So I don't think the PS4 or XBox One concerns TTG at all. Unless they plan to release their games on them.

    donmike84 posted: »

    i think there waiting for the buzz to die down from the new consoles so in a week or so we should have episode 2

  • Week 7 and not a drop of news.

    What is going on Telltale...

  • My second statement was dependent on my first; I understand that only a finished episode goes out the door. I simply thought that the source said that they had finished work on episode 2, my mistake.

    Vainamoinen posted: »

    But it says that they finished working on episode 2. Some writers did, yes. But that didn't mean that the episode is finishe

  • Just wait! After Thanksgiving we will get News. The Game will maybe come out on the first Week of December. Patience is all you need while waiting for a TellTale Game.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Week 7 and not a drop of news. What is going on Telltale...

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    I hope you're wrong about TWAU, if episode 2 isn't released by the end of the first week of December I will be plain mad.

    TWD I didn't expect soon so (as much as I want to play it) it could come out in January and I would be completely fine with it, but I've been waiting for TWAU episode 2 every day and counting since the 12th of November.

    Some nights I check the forum every hour in hope of an announcement. The wait is more and more irritating.

    Mary5 posted: »

    I would like to believe this but it's impossible because Telltale previously confirmed that no game will be released next week,we'll

  • haha come on troll downvote me - we both know u want it ;)

    WalkerHH93 posted: »

    Just wait! After Thanksgiving we will get News. The Game will maybe come out on the first Week of December. Patience is all you need while waiting for a TellTale Game.

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    That's true! :)

    Although I wish they'd update the FAQ and get rid of the '4-6 weeks' thing.

    EDIT: I see now that it has been updated to 4-8 weeks.

    Although this is week 7, so it's tight.

    WalkerHH93 posted: »

    Just wait! After Thanksgiving we will get News. The Game will maybe come out on the first Week of December. Patience is all you need while waiting for a TellTale Game.

  • Why are people disliking every comment?

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    Didnt you hear about the legendary downvote - trolls who live among us in the shadows? They use glamour to look like mundys. :)

    Flog61 posted: »

    Why are people disliking every comment?

  • They used to be really good about an episode a month then suddenly the release schedule got wrecked with Walking Dead. Looks like this series will be the same.

  • That's comparing apples to oranges to be honest, the B2S and TWD/TWAU comparison that is.

    d_cover posted: »

    Doesn't make much sense since TTG isn't competing with consoles nor are they competing with other video game titles. The closest thi

  • Because they can. Anonymity breeds contempt.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Why are people disliking every comment?

  • that happened because of the choice mechanic they added to the game. add more things to the game, different reaction from what kind of choice you make, ext. when you add more things more bugs can be created so you have to debug all the new bugs. personally if it only lasts 2 to 4 weeks longer to debug all that new stuff they're doing good.

    Drizzy2 posted: »

    They used to be really good about an episode a month then suddenly the release schedule got wrecked with Walking Dead. Looks like this series will be the same.

  • WOOP Another Doug!

    NamelessAce posted: »

    @Skleepy wrote: It is well known that remaining episodes will be realesed every 4 - 6 weeks. So, the first possible release d

  • Telltale staff writers already said they are now working on episodes 3 and 4. Episode 2 script to be complete would need to be reviewed by the writer of Fables for canon check. First one doesn't make sense, second would make sense if there is a ton of content on episode 2 of TWAU which would be more of a good thing.

    Seraphim posted: »

    I do wonder three things... The first of which is whether or not the delay is simply because they want to push the release date c

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    Let me tell you a story of the old days when the forum like the was Wild West and you sized a fella's post up based on what conspiracy theory he or she was throwing around. Lawless folks roamed the forums and posts were plentiful. It happened right after the walking dead episode 1 came out. Good common folks were waiting patiently for episode 2. You see telltalegames used to have a press release section and right there it stated a new episode every 4 weeks. Folks waited and waited and as the 4 weeks came and went it was like waiting for the school bus that never came. Feelings of neglect spilled through the forum. My oh my does the past come full circle. Another game and another episode 1 waiting for episode 2 and with the holiday season on the door step feeling the cold around the corner another week will go by with no news. Maybe next week will bring a update or the episode it's hard to tell for sure.

    One thing is for certain though as I believe the upcoming weeks will define the public view on this indie company. Will they be able to deliver the next TWAU episode and TWDS2 as promised? Or will they have to pick one over the other? Maybe they miss on both?

    Either way it will be fun to watch.

    Also just a FYI TWDS2 was to be released by the end of fall 2013 what is December 20. The statement from TTG employees was not the end of December.

  • They are a proven company for delivering, although not always when we expect. There is no danger of dropping either. It's a shame you joined in at TWD S1. Before then, releases were mainly fine.

    CiscoKidd81 posted: »

    Let me tell you a story of the old days when the forum like the was Wild West and you sized a fella's post up based on what conspira

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    Now that I think about it,it's true that they said TWD was going to be released in fall 2013.So they can't release it at Christmas because it would be during winter.But given all the delays that they had,can we really still hope for an earlier release? It wouldn't surprise me if they changed the release date.But concerning TWAU episode 2,I didn't know that they said it was going to be released by the end of fall.I think the reason why they don't give us dates is because they are afraid of not being able to stick to it due to various issues that they could encouter with the development of the game.But I'd rather have a concrete release date than no information at all.Even if they changed the date,at least we would know why and when.If they had released TWAU episode 2 in November they could have release episode 3 in December and thus we would have one episode per month.I think it would be the best thing to do.And it would also be nice if the release date was always the same day.I believe that episode 1 was released on October 11 so they could have released the second episode in November 11.If they did that,we would know around what time we should expect an episode.

    CiscoKidd81 posted: »

    Let me tell you a story of the old days when the forum like the was Wild West and you sized a fella's post up based on what conspira

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    They obviously can't manage one episode per month right now. I guess cinematics and choices are harder to nail down than environments and puzzles. We're looking at one episode every two months at the moment. So it would go:

    Episode 1: Faith 11/10/2013
    Episode 2: Smoke & Mirrors 11/12/2013
    Episode 3: Crooked Mile 11/2/2014
    Episode 4: In Sheep's Clothing 11/4/2014
    Episode 5: Cry Wolf 11/6/2014

    I don't like the wait either but I'd rather wait than play something rushed.

    Mary5 posted: »

    Now that I think about it,it's true that they said TWD was going to be released in fall 2013.So they can't release it at Christmas b

  • Remember... 'they' is Jennifer and me, your humble voluntary non-official forum moderators.

    If the episodes don't come out in the time frame we expected, we update the FAQ. With bleeding hearts.

    Flog61 posted: »

    That's true! Although I wish they'd update the FAQ and get rid of the '4-6 weeks' thing. EDIT: I see now that it has been updated to 4-8 weeks. Although this is week 7, so it's tight.

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